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27 minutes ago, Ralphelmo said:

It's an interesting question, will they ever bring Fitzy if Frank gets sick? It's a nobrainer for everybody, but for Axl?

 

How is it a no brainer, Brain is every bit as good as Fitz and has also already played with the band before.

26 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

I would rather see Fitzy play it probably than Frank do something weird with it and ruin the song. 

I don't think you understood my question, instead of answering me you just made an identical post as your earlier one, just with different words. I could literally copy paste my question to your reply again

20 hours ago, MaskingApathy said:

No thanks, I don't want to see Frank Ferrer mess it up.

That's stupid - the only other alternative is you seeing him ruin the same old shit. So you like that better then? Because it has to be one or the other.

4 hours ago, agustingloger said:

I would love to know what was Axl's tought on this 

Maybe he will use it as a tutorial to sing it during the next GNR tour No joke I think it would go over well it's mostly in his lower voice which still sounds every bit as good as it ever did. It's clearly not at all impossible to sing as we have just seen.

If he figures it out this would probably be the best addition to the setlist since Coma in 2016. Unexpected, not done at all before, and just a great present for the fans, this is one of GNRs most AFD-sounding and AFD-quality rockers, it's too bad it never got it's due live. This and Breakdown are the last 2 "big" songs of the deep cuts left that they could still pull out as a new addition to the set.

16 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

I'd be happy if Axl was just playing piano... I hope there's at least 1 or 2 instrumental songs on this album, Slash was doing some nice bluesy solo spots a few years ago. I'd love a studio version of Wichita and I don't care whether it's released by GNR or Slash solo, it would be great. I always thought Parisienne Walkways would be a perfect fit for Axl and Slash to cover...

Slash could "lure" Axl in to record by having Dave Grohl play drums on the track or something lolI'm not in the -Axl is unlikely to be on the album- group, I definitely think the chance is much higher than people think, 50/50 to me. Also didn't GNR cover Parisienne Walkways back in the club days? I somehow recall that being thrown around in this forum somewhere, maybe it was just a rumour.

2 hours ago, gnfnrs1972 said:

It would be nice to have Axl sing on one track. I know it's extremely unlikely but other band members have guested haven't they?

My guess is if Axl is on it at all then in my estimation it would 99% be a cover, like Wichita, Walk All Over You or some other song he loves. Can't see him really being excited recording vocals for a new Slash solo song.

29 minutes ago, GNRmello77 said:

Well then he better listen to those songs with headphones on and rehearse the shit out of them

He didn't for many GNR songs, I doubt he has any more motivation to do so for his little solo shows lol. You can only make a multi millionaire "work" so muchTbh if I was THAT rich and in my late 50s, I'd phone it in too, it doesn't really matter, it really doesn't make a difference to ticket sales anyway

3 minutes ago, AxlRQ93 said:

Crap

Word

1 hour ago, Sweersa said:

It was worse than I expected, and I had low expectations. 

The song that could have benefitted most from a lyric video, doesn't get one. Bummer.

At least Fernando isn't in it! 

No he is, I'm 99% sure I saw a clown in there somewhere

40 minutes ago, Lio said:

I really hope we get a full video of it. I thought I remembered someone saying it was impossible to do live, and so I checked A4D, and funny, it's Slash who said it was impossible 

Well to be fair Myles said fuck this shit too, since Slashs bass player sings it lol. But yeah that seems to be an excuse, seeing as GNR even played Garden Of Eden live which has even MORE words and tempo.

That's an awesome show setlist, really filled with Slashs deep cuts for hardcore fans who know the catalogue. We Will Roam was last played when I was still in Highschool 11 years ago damn.

So dumb to drop a video for a song you released over a month later instead of on release. GNR timeline I guess, this is not a professional organisation, this is fucking mayhem lol

8 hours ago, thunderram said:

 

While not "drop D" tuning, for pretty most, if not all, all of GN'R's recordings through 1994, the guitars were tuned a half step down. So instead of the standard E-A-D-G-B-E they were all flats of the same tuning. Which means the low E was really a E flat or D sharp (however one wants to interpret it). Which also means the low E was only a half step above a D.

That's one reason why GN'R's early stuff sounds a tad differently. The half step down tuning changes the chords/keys, so to speak.

That’s a pretty usual tuning for bands even from the 70s (like Van Halen). It just makes everything sound like Slash played it a half step lower on the neck, like the root chord for 14 Years would be played on the 4th fret on the E string instead of the 5th, not really a big difference to sound, it’s so unnoticeable I don’t think anyone would even be able to tell if they don’t have perfect pitch. You can test this yourself and listen to a band you don’t know and try to see if you can tell it’s in standard or a flat key. 

If I remember correctly Slash started doing it because it’s easier on the vocals, not for any sound reasons.

1 hour ago, Rindmelon said:

you might find it here https://mega.nz/folder/tWUj1ArC#mAwBD951kdcio2-gcMAdnw no vocals were ever done for it in any version i ever heard sadly

What the hell I've never heard this before, do you remember what source this originates from? I got to say it doesn't sound like Speed Parade to me, I can't tell if it's legit or not.

58 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

What song did EVH do that on?

Nightcrawler is Speed Parade according to Marc Canter.

Good Enough from 5150. He also did it on Spanked from the FUCK album in early 1991 (pre-grunge) though I'm not sure it's Drop A, but it's ridiculously low for that time in rock still.

31 minutes ago, Rindmelon said:

In some ways yes and in others no. A song that's in standard tuning like Paradise City for example you couldn't just make drop d, that would just mean your fat E string would be tuned down to D (other strings would stay the same), it would be odd and even harder to play the song that way as you would need to alter the way you even played the first chord which is an open G. If however you tuned every string down half a step (which many bands do live) you may not notice the difference in the music but you may notice the difference in the vocals, those high notes become just a little less high and a little more achievable. Although to be fair to Axl it's not high notes where he struggles now or low really but projection in the mid range.

The songs would probably sound a bit heavier & tbf they may do this anyway I can't recall. To add to the gnr songs that are D tuned list I'm pretty sure Nightcrawler was (which later became Speed Parade by Snakepit) that may be the earliest example of them fucking with tunings. 

What makes you think Nightcrawler is in a different tuning than any other GNR song?

52 minutes ago, WhazUp said:

Going through my mental library these come to mind:

Cinnamon Girl by Neil Young and Black Water by the Doobie Brothers are in double drop D from what I recall

CCR used drop D in the 70s I believe (I Heard It Through the Grapevine and Ramble Tamble for example) and definitely Zeppelin for tunes like Moby Dick and Ten Years Gone.  

Fat Bottomed Girls by Queen (1978) was in drop D as well. 

Fleetwood Mac is another example I can think of, in 1975 doing drop D for "World Turning" and later on Rumors (Drop D but with a capo on fret 4 for Never Going Back Again)

 

Definitely later on in further decades Drop D became more prevalent and ingrained in styles, like heavier metal and grunge - that said it was for sure a compositional technique used in the '70s a decent amount.  Even if you take away the bands Sabbath paved the way for such as Pentagram who used drop tuned guitars in the '70s in that more heavy metal style

Oh yeah how could I forget about Fat Bottomed Girls? It's insane to think they used Drop D as far back as the 1970s, when Drop D only really became a popular tuning in rock starting from the 1990s. It's so rare to hear heavy guitars such as that, other than Sabbath, before that time.

30 minutes ago, Cosmo said:

It originated two new genres of metal music: Doom Metal, and Stoner Metal. Both heavily influenced by Black Sabbath, that used down tuning as part of it’s identity and sound. Some examples of iconic bands from these genres that used drop tuning were Pentagram, The Obsessed, Witchfinder General, Pagan Altar and Saint Vitus, for example. I know they’re all not huge name bands but it was the beginning of what would become a very famous and influential metal subgenre.

I'm not into those metal genres but I have no doubt you're right. I was more talking about more straight ahead hard rock bands of the 70s - 80s like GNR, that would use drop tuning. It was really not popular until late '91 with grunge bands using it. Drop B is VERY low and a popular tuning among metal bands of the 2000s, so Eddie Van Halen using Drop A, which is even lower, in the mid 1980s is really unusual. Drop A is even an unusually low tuning TODAY for rock bands. The only example that comes to mind for me is Motley using Drop D in 1989 on Slice Of Your Pie. Literally cannot think of any other band utilizing it other than that, from that genre.

9 minutes ago, Cosmo said:

Drop tuning guitars were popularized in the 70s by Tony Iommi and Black Sabbath, though.

I can't think of any 70s bands (beside Sabbath) that drop tuned. Maybe Zep on some acoustic tracks? I'd hardly call that "popularized".

Drop tuned guitars were pretty rare for rock bands in the 80s, I can only think of a handful of examples of bands that even used them during the 80s era before grunge hit and made that popular. Beggars (already 1995) is the earliest one I can think of with Slash that had the strings tuned considerably lower, if you pay attention to it you hear how heavy the low string on Beggars actually is, even though it's not technically a drop tuning.

Eddie Van Halen, always ahead of his time like always, used Drop A tuning in 1986 (!) which for anyone familiar with guitar, is completely insane for that time, this low of a tuning only came popular starting in the early 2000s or maybe late 90s. It's what you hear all the metal bands use nowadays. No surprise Slash didn't start to mess with it until after grunge.

16 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

Packaging and sound is killer. My one complaint is that there is not a re-recorded Ain’t Going Down like SOYL 

That is being saved for the 41st Anniversary

1 hour ago, Dacroix said:

This afternoon I went for a run and decided to listen to the full Chinese Democracy album. The sound of that album is infinitely better than Absurd/Hard Skool/Perhaps/The General, being more than 10 years old.

 

They take us for stupid. They believe that with Slash and Duff adding three or four small guitar and bass parts from their bourgeois mansions and Fernando mixing them with Audacity is enough. Shameful. Is this what we wanted "the reunion" for? 

They've already made more money playing 2 shows than you have working your entire life. THAT is what the reunion is for. These songs are just being released for the hell of it, they don't care how well they perform or are received. There is no money being made from new music ever since streaming, it's all from touring.

8 minutes ago, GNRRHCP98 said:

Wouldn’t it be something if THAT was the reason for the delay all along, and some of those copies did indeed slip through the cracks?

Then WTH is the deal with “Monsters?” 

 

Maybe it didn't leak from the vinyl, but from one of the studios where Axl and Slash listened to new mixes this summer somewhere in Europe. The General seems to be an older mix and has been done for a while since it was done by Caram, so perhaps they listened to both Perhaps and Monsters. I mean it is kind of a big deal to have Axl and Slash come in to do that, not impossible one of the studio engineers decided to be sneaky and record it that day. 

Other than that, there is no explanation how anyone would get their hands on a NITL lineup leak.

They need to release Eye On You next to take some heat off The General

28 minutes ago, F*ck Fear said:

This is definitely my favorite of the UYI tour proshots.

*we have seen, of like 150 more, which are rotting in a vault

5 hours ago, Nick85 said:

I just listened to Monsters again with headphones. Holy shit that track is awesome. I just hate that an official release is probably miles away with the way this operation runs.

But we already have the song. Tell me what does it matter? What is the psychology behind wanting Monsters to be "released officially" at this point now, instead of other songs? We already have the song to listen to, so what is the thought process here, we will get a slightly better quality of it when it's officially uploaded and that's it, so what are you really caring about here..? Other people listening to it, instead of you..? You have access to it anytime you want, as does pretty much anyone on this forum.

We HAVE the song, we've HEARD it, I'd rather they release something we do not have, like a finished State Of Grace, Berlin, Seven, whatever the hell we haven't heard. Absolute no brainer for me, so I don't understand where you're coming from.