Jw224

I think if Axl wants to continue without Slash and Duff he will. Didn't he say at the China exchange interview that he has stuff planned and "hopes" Slash will be a part of it? Or something like that. 

I like the alt lyrics version most, purely because I prefer the lyrics to the original. 

1 minute ago, thunderram said:

 

Sorry, but I find it laughable when fans or ham and egger guitarists critique the work of a world class virtuoso such as Slash. It's akin to the average college student critiquing an elite mathematician on how he arrived at proving an advanced theorem. The ham and egger can't come close to performing at the same level, yet somehow feels worthy of critiquing. These guys create new music for a living and make a lot of $$ doing it because they are among the very best at it. We fans don't. Enough said.

Just because we can't do what Slash does doesn't mean he's somehow immune to criticism, to say so is laughable honestly. If someone feels that Slash could do something better or they don't like something he is doing in their personal opinion then they are entitled to say that. 

I'd be interested to hear if he recorded vocals for it before the ones on the final version, or if they were the vocals recorded and they just used them, as they did for a lot of the other CD songs. I'd love to hear a version with Axl's classic vocals on it. 

Thanks for the info guys. I'd like your posts but I'm out of likes for today I'd love to hear the early versions. 

So I've been thinking lately, Axl has said before that This I love goes all the way back to the '90s and even mentioned it in the '90s at some point. Do we think the vocals on the final are from the 90s or re-recorded at a later date? And what info do we have about the early versions? Was it only written in the 90s or was it actually recorded with the band? 

I'm not going to say how Slash or Duff feel as I'm not them but I think they probably want to play these songs, or compromises were made, they are adults after all. 

Nah. As others have said I only really want to hear CD material if it's unreleased and released as is without any re-recording by Slash and Duff. Although if Axl does go forward with releasing CD stuff I think that's probably what we'll be getting. 

10 hours ago, JustanUrchin said:

Judging by your refusal to acknowledge facts and apply those facts to the OP, your opinion substitutes for facts because it is far more refined than “everybody else’s opinion.”  Yet the opinion of “everybody else” who was initially crucial in your first reply is now inconsequential despite the cite of charting, sales, downloads, plays and so forth.

Beyond this failed logic, your backhandedly state that the public is dumb—it cannot discern for itself what it likes and what it doesn’t.  These same dummies are opening their wallets for albums and songs that they like best and in the greatest numbers, and spending their time playing YT clips that they like best and in the greatest numbers.  “Catcher” is right there on YT for viewing, and presumably on Spotify, iTunes and elsewhere.  And attached to a known band name.  Popular culture is at everyone’s fingertips.  If it’s good, people will buy, listen and watch.  If it sucks, they won’t.  Coca-Cola thought it could reinvent its sugared, carbonated water.  It sucked.  People wanted the original.  But Coca-Cola didn’t wait 23 years to acknowledge that while it thought New Coke was badass, the masses hated it.  Your logic dictates that since the public doesn’t know what in the hell it likes, New Coke rocked because you and a few hundred thousand people with refined “taste” liked it.

Chalk me up in the majority—the class of dummies.  Except I’m even dumber—I actually forked over the cash at Best Buy to purchase “CD” while the majority of dummies rejected it without a listen, abided by word-of-mouth, or waited to test the waters for free on YT.

Anyone who likes Axl’s unending stream of Liberace piano pieces accompanied by guitar that first surfaced on UYI and dominated CD, great for them.  The piano piece in question in this thread has barely received a yawn on YT.  Meanwhile, the factual numbers of Slash alone that I listed directly refute the OP’s contention and crush the 15 songs of original content that Axl released in 25 years.  And counting.

A Grammy or 19 million YT views for “FTP” doesn’t deter you that Axl’s dispensing machine of “Catcher” songs is New Coke as you move the ball?  Cool.  You should dig this.  It’s a piano piece from the era that influenced Axl.  Using your logic, the idiot masses (which includes me) wouldn’t even know that such masterpieces existed or where to find such masterpieces, and yet this “rockin, orchestral accompanied” piano piece that “Catcher,” “Madagascar,” “This I Love” and so on imitates has three times the views of “Catcher.”  We already got the pretentiously tacky blazer, so just throw some lyrics on this, and you have your rock Heaven.  And you got some tapping, to boot!

 

Just because a song is popular doesn't mean it's automatically good, is what I was saying. You're trying to say a song is crap based on YouTube views or steaming numbers, it doesn't work like that. People have opinions and you can't just dismiss them and try to make them seem irrelevant just because you disagree with them. You don't like Catcher, that's okay. Don't try to make your opinion definitive fact though. 

10 minutes ago, JustanUrchin said:

“Everyone else’s opinion” is reflected in sales, charting, YT, Spotify, and terrestrial and satellite radio.  As well as Grammy voters.  Take up your problem with “everybody else’s opinion,” not my citing of facts that concretely represent their opinion.

Yes, because how many people hear a song or how popular it is really tells of its quality ?. 

20 minutes ago, Jw224 said:

 

2 minutes ago, JustanUrchin said:

Facts are my opinion, in your opinion.  Slither won a Grammy.  Fact.  Slash has charted 7 singles since "CD" was released.  Fact.  YT views for the various songs are facts.  A crochet video has more views than the song in question.  Fact.  The song in question is a piano piece.  Fact.

My opinion is superior to no one.  But facts are superior to opinion.  It's hard to take anyone seriously who cannot differentiate fact from opinion, and in the face of stated facts, looks to demean the poster of fact as not serious.

You're not doing yourself any favours. You're acting like just because you state these facts it makes everyone else's opinion irrelevant. That's not how it works I'm sorry. Is the fact that slash has charted 7 singles since CD was released supposed to make me realise my opinion is wrong and that Catcher is a shit song? I really don't give a crap what Slash has done, or what has more YouTube views in the context of whether or not I like this song. You're being dismissive of other people's opinions and acting like just because you're stating facts you can be. 

Just now, onurbayrak03 said:

He has rasp, still great but i guess he has lost his clean voice. Like RQ PC SCOM NR verses. He doesnt sound good on the verses of these 

Yes I see what you're saying. I'm hoping  he'd be able to get that back but if it's gone I think it's gone. I'm not a vocal coach though so not sure haha.  

I do enjoy this song. Although not as much as others on the album. I enjoy all the songs on the album so it's hard for me to say. Also curious about more CD material being released in the future. I doubt Axl would abandon it, things he has said recently make me think that. 

He still has that voice. He just doesn't/can't do it for that long at this point in his life. He's been doing it a lot more at recent shows though. It might not be as strong but he does still have the rasp. I think maybe he just needs to be able to control his voice a bit better for the faster songs. On slower songs he sounds great imo. Although he's been wrecking nightrain recently. Love his recent performances of that song, using his deeper voice instead of the higher register. 

On 10/07/2016 at 7:54 PM, SWINGTRADER said:

 

 

2010 was good, but nothing close to what it was during his heyday.

Anyone who says 00's has awful taste or needs their ears checked.

Yes, anyone who has a different opinion than you is clearly deaf. 

I thought his voice was really good in '88,' 06 and 2010. His voice in the 90's I honestly didn't like as much, sounded like he had glass In his throat or something. I'm speaking strictly live performances. 

14 minutes ago, SeBaZ said:

Laughed too hard at this man. Thanks! 

Am I the only one noticing that the rasp is coming back in places it hasn't been in the previous concerts of the tour? Seems like he's using it more. That Civil War performance had a lot of rasp compared to previous performances. He just sounds quite good man. Steven also made such a difference to those songs. 

LOL at the people in this thread telling other people their opinions are wrong. 

Just now, Gackt said:

Very happy for Adler, looked like he had the time of his life playing with the band and being on the big stage again after over two decades

Definitely. A great moment that was a long time coming. 

Just now noticed how much more energetic and enthused axl looks on stage now. He definitely seems happier now than he has been previously. 

Wow never saw this coming haha. So glad Steven got to play with them again, even if it's just for this one show. 

I really don't understand the argument of disliking Chinese Democracy because it isn't "just a rock record". I've seen it people say that quite a few times. It was obviously never intended to be just a rock record. I'll never understand why you'd just want to listen to that type of music exclusively. I mean, I enjoy rock music obviously, but I like to listen to music that has a bit more meaning than just being about rocking out. Maybe I'm being ignorant or something but I honestly feel like people who hate this album for that reason, or just because Slash and Duff aren't on it, are the ones being ignorant. I know I'm looking onto this as someone who didn't wait all those years for it to come out and so my opinion will obviously be different. 

3 hours ago, wasted said:

A 3-cd box set of Cutting Room Floor stuff would be great. Audio of Bucket live in the chicken coop playing Sorry solo. CD is like a Pyramid, all you can do is look at it and say wow how did they build that?

I definitely agree about the cutting room floor box set. Would be a good way to satisfy fans of Chinese Democracy while not angering fans that want new music. 

1 hour ago, Slash787 said:

@Blake Sabbath here is the link, click on each year to know about the process 

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=5059

Reading this now. Makes for interesting reading, thanks for the link!