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43 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

That is really good idea!

Double albums are rarely a really good idea, in my opinion! But let's not get ahead of ourselves. We've not had as much as a single, and now there is talk of a double album!  

On 3/7/2021 at 11:14 AM, ToonGuns said:

I've just bought some King Crimson boxsets (and bought some Pink Floyd boxsets a few months back) and the main reason I did so was the music - remasters, remixes, live gigs, and unreleased alternate studio takes. This is the way to do things. 

Assuming they both came with a laundry bag, toy truck, bandana, and key ring as well??!! 

2 minutes ago, Rovim said:

not much to understand if you like Chinese. That 1 album is a great achievement cause I like it. The 2002 lineup was a big part of it and the fact that Axl had a happy accident and found 2 guitar players that sound that good together to my ears at least (Bucket and Robin) and they both agreed to join Gn'R is pretty great imho.

Fair play if that's what ya like. It's obviously subjective. To my ears, there are some really good tracks on the album (e.g. Better, There Was A Time, Madagascar, and Sorry), but there is a load of utter stinkers too (e.g. Scraped, Rhiad & The Bedouins, This I Love, and Catcher In The Rye). I generally find the production pretty hideous as well, however accept that it would not have been an easy job to mix that album. There's just too much going on in places. I don't think the 2002 lineup can really be considered a success though? Overall, in context of GNR history.

3 minutes ago, Draguns said:

With all due respect, people really need to stop wishing for  Buckethead and Finck to return. The reality is that if Slash leaves for a second time, GNR would be over. 

Agreed. I really don't understand all this chat from folks lavishing praise on the 2002 line up like it achieved anything great. This is the same line up that gave the disastrous VMA performance. 

21 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said:

I wouldn't even mind using old ideas. If a song is good and fits within the GNR context, use it, by all means (only though if it is written by Axl). But rerecord it. Have current members give their input and not use shit by members who aren't in the band since +/- a decade.

As for CD2... that window has closed and only will open itself up again after Axl's death.

I would agree with all that. Axl had 20+ years to validate the post-Slash era by releasing new music. It didn't happen. The time, and indeed band members, has now passed.

1 hour ago, El Guapo said:

I was always kinda disappointed so far. I've read Slash's book, Duff's "It's so easy", Steven Tyler's book, John Lydons book, Lemmy's book,  Keith Richard's book, The dirt... 

I don't know what I expected but I always felt disappointed.

That is exactly my thoughts too! No idea what my expectations actually were/are, but alas I always feeling similar to yourself.

25 minutes ago, bumcheecksmcghee said:

Read the book then? Lol

Then you'll know what we all mean...

Hahaha! I'm not really into rock star autobiographies to be fair. I've read a few and they are all... meh. I'll remain ignorant on this! 

7 hours ago, allwaystired said:

Because they've read this book and he comes across as an arse? 

I've not read it or heard much about it. But how does come across as an arse?

3 hours ago, WhazUp said:

But nobody would be interested in a version of GNR with a near-60 year old Axl without Slash when they have just had 5 years of nonstop Slash being in the band, beyond the hardcore fans here who would download the Village Session stuff in the first place

You mean the greatest never released album of all time that would have undoubtedly rocked the world to its core had it been released at any point ever!? Haha! 

6 hours ago, allwaystired said:

Well, my thinking was that without Slash they'd simply HAVE to do or release something, as they'd have no other option. Touring would be of so little interest to people that it might force them to make progress in other areas. 

You could have made that argument at any point over the past 30 years. The reality is, one album in that time... and lots of touring in the past 15 years.

5 hours ago, Sweersa said:

I wonder about that myself. 

If such an event happens, I wonder if they would use the CD-era guitar work from Robin, Bucket, Bumble, etc. 

I know my opinion is not shared by many here, but on an eventual new album, I believe at least some of Robin and Buckethead's material will be intact on that work. Much like many parts and even solos on CD were by Buckethead who had left years prior to release. Most casual fans won't know the difference anyways.

Best case, if all instrumental work is re-recorded, Slash does the Robin/DJ parts, and 4tus does the Buckethead parts. I hope they keep Brain on the drums like they did most of CD, but who knows. Frank will probably have a bigger presence on the next album. I didn't mind his work on CD, but it's really hard to replace Brain, who replaced Josh. What a mess of an album it will be, I fear. 

If the next album is CD2 material heavy (which I assume it is) many of the songs will be 15-20+ years old, so it will be worse than 2008's CD from an overproduction cut and paste standpoint, that is unless they strip the overly complex stuff down a bit, who knows. I would very much prefer they leave CD2 alone and do their own album, maybe turn both into a double album release. That would be a cool transition into the current lineup from an album standpoint. 

This sounds absolutely awful! A cut and paste jobs of songs recorded with musicians who have been out of the band for 20 years, who had zero connection sonically to the original GNR, updated with new contributions from current band, sprawled over a double album!? This does not sound a good idea!

13 hours ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

Bland Atlas does not deserve to be in the presence of those great tracks.

To my ears, Atlas Shrugged is equally as bland as This I Love! 

4 hours ago, allwaystired said:

I'd be very much keen on that scenario! Not that it's remotely going to happen of course....but if it were to, it would be great. 

I do sometimes wonder if Slash was to leave again whether that would make new material more likely. Without him any draw they have as a nostalgia act is gone. 

What, why, how!? The band has released one single album without Slash! The 2002 line up literally managed a few gigs and then split. In the 5 years before Slash rejoined the band, they were literally just touring. There was no new music, concert attendances were low and it didn't sound all that happy a camp. 

1 hour ago, Draguns said:

HS was most likely started by the old band. My theory is that it's from the 94-96 session. Duff made mention of the song as Jackie Chan in 96. Also, it has a similar structure to classic GNR songs. 

You may well be right. I like the chorus in Hard School, but the intro and middle section were... oh no no no! For me only obviously.

1 minute ago, jamillos said:

Same here. HS is cool, and so are some parts of those other songs, like the beginning of Atlas. Eye on You sounds like something between Madagascar and My World, ha. If you see a "who's your McDaddy" reference here, it's to this song.

Aaaaah, I have seen folk reference McDaddy here and I was wondering what the fuck! Haha! My problem with Hard School was the intro and the breakdown. It was just... too happy and nice for me! Wasn't feeling it!!!

12 minutes ago, jamillos said:

You haven’t really missed anything. These are the new songs that contain vocals. Plus Eye on You, but that completely sounds like some Axl’s solo and not GN’R. The rest is either not new to us (Silk Worms) or it doesn’t have vocals, and in this state, it’s like some weird video-game background music. 

I haven't heard Eye On You. Is this another piano ballad? I thought State of Grace was actually not too bad in spots, and I liked the chorus in Hard School, but otherwise... I was left fairly unimpressed. I did however like the Oh My God single. I still dig it in fact!

2 hours ago, DTV88 said:

You’re right about the 2002 lineup only playing a few shows, plus we’re not really sure who played what in terms of rhythm guitars on the Locker Leaks. But it’s hard to deny that their are some really good ideas there. If Axl had finished and released them in 02 as a solo act, it could have been a big fucking deal. 

I've only heard a few tracks from the locker leaks... State of Grace, Perhaps, Atlas Shrugged and Hard School. None of these songs are even comparable with previous work by the old band, in my opinion of course. Obviously I've not heard the fill locker leaks and may be unaware of some songwriting gems, but based on what I have heard and the Chinese Democracy album, the songs just weren't there. 

55 minutes ago, chinese stew said:

A Dizzy Reed belt buckle and a Teddy Zig Zag skull ring.

Throw in a Roberta Freeman jigsaw portrait and this box set will sell itself. 

On 3/4/2021 at 7:43 PM, Gordon Comstock said:

 

An album full of songs like Zodiac, State of Grace, Tonto, OMG, Realdoll, Circus Maximus, etc. would've been incredible with the '02 lineup.

Not having a go, but I'm genuinely interested in why you think this? Have you heard any of those songs other than State of Grace or Oh My God? The 2002 lineup literally only played a hand full of shows. 

On 2/25/2021 at 5:43 PM, scottish nutter said:

im not keen on that tbh, just didnt sound like it fits, just my opinion though

I would agree with ya 100%. A load of unnecessary guitar wank!

3 hours ago, Nightrain7 said:

The General is epic. Similar style to ‘Sorry’. Clean chorus, raspy vocals.

Well I do quite like Sorry as it happens so that is a good start! Does The General also contain a similar "but I don't want to do it" line sung in a bizarre Eastern European accent? 

I just know in my fat soaked Scottish heart, that Axl's vocals in The General, a song I have never heard in my life and in all likelihood never will hear, are simply his best work! Furthermore I fully believe, without any real reason, that had this song been released in 2004 it would have blown up the rock world! 

I'll park the sarcasm and let somebody else claim Atlas Shrugged as their choice!

I love all the cool harmonies in the intro chorus of Paradise City. Absolutely superb stuff. Good shout on One In A Million previously too. Don't Damn Me is awesome due to sheer speed at which he spits out the words. Ach fuck, there are too many! He was an utter vocal savage back in the day!

If you take you're eye off the Dead Daisies for as much as a minute, there is a line up change! I remember watching an interview with Fortus and Dizzy about the time of first/second album,  then next time I saw an interview it was with Corabi and Marco Mendoza! And now Glenn Hughes is in there. How on earth they manage to continue to spit out albums with that many changes is beyond me.

12 minutes ago, EvanG said:

 

NITL shows. I have a friend who has been to 5 shows in two years. I have only been to one myself and that's enough, unless they put a new record out and start touring that one. But he still loves them and can't get enough. Good for him. I'm sure there are a lot of people who are still enjoying them. Merchandise. A lot of people like that crap. I personally don't care for it, but each to their own. Official YouTube live videos. For all the criticism it gets on here, there are people who are actually excited about those videos and enjoy them. I can go on, but someone like Russ is just going to laugh about it anyway and dismiss it. I guess the fact that this is positive for some people doesn't mean much to him, because he doesn't care about any of it.

 

Yes, okay I get you now. You laid that out well! Cheers!

3 minutes ago, EvanG said:

But they do. Just because you can't be positive about anything, doesn't mean others can't be.

Like what exactly!?

Agree fully on the other points you made by the way.