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50 minutes ago, ToonGuns said:

To be fair, they've certainly had enough time for this.

Well this is it, hence my advocacy of the quintuple album! 

47 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

ITW needs a Kanye West remix and a music video that follows the story of Estranged. But this time, when Axl jumps into the ocean, all the dolphins are skeletons. Melissa rises from the water to play a sweet, sweet sub-bass solo. 12" maxi single with 4 alternate remixes coming soon to an offline retailer near you. Get the tour-exclusive quadruple album at the all-new-show this winter.

Keen for this shit! Make it happen 'Nando. 

14 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

I remember back in 2008 CD topped the torrent charts, and by that I mean was being illegally downloaded more than even the other albums that outperformed CD at that time in sales.

(For the record (no pun intended) I purchased multiple copies of CD on CD and also on vinyl)

I intend to do the same with the next album.

Why?!

34 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

If The World, should be the lead single for the remix album in 2021.

The Village If The World is my favorite. Interesting how the intro is similar to the album version, and not the version that leaked in 2008 which presumably was from between the Village and album version. 

I'd be keen for a Chris Pitman sub-bass solo mix of If The World, 4db higher than the original with 9 different reverb mixes. I genuinely think that would boost tickets for future dates, and set the path for success for the forthcoming quintuple album.

6 minutes ago, Legendador said:

Why for? They lost momentum for that!

They've lost momentum for everything!

I hate this band right now! (That's what I'm saying since I heard "If The World" in 2008).

I hear ya. Is there a band out there that treats their fans with more contempt than GNR? Everything they do is just so half arsed it seems. Pisses me off to fuck!

51 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

You see, I loved all that though, genuinely! I was so so excited (I did have reservations about the hair though.....) because they were back and they had moved on. It was absolutely what I wanted really.....but obviously many others disagreed! 

 

I was initially really keen to hear the new line-up. I had no issues with changes (I love Dio-era Sabbath, Coverdale-era Purple for example) and thought Guns would be the same (i.e. actually release new music and carry on... how fucking wrong was I!) I remember reading about the new band back in 1998 or thereabouts and boom, following year Oh My God arrived. I enjoyed that track a lot and was keen to see/hear more. But then shit got weird... 3 guitarists, and 1 of them wae an upside doon KFC bucket on his noggin! The Rock In Rio gig was odd as nobody had seen Axl in years. He kinda looked the same but also kinda not. But nothing could've prepared me for the 2002 VMAs and the braids! Hahaha! 

1 hour ago, allwaystired said:

You forgot "we should just be happy they're still around" and "why are you even on a forum as you clearly hate the band". 

It's all part of the plan, lads. The road to CD2 has started...

1 hour ago, allwaystired said:

That was a total fiasco! I had tickets to that tour too- in the 'pre internet' age it was nearly impossible to keep track of what was happening with those 'comeback' shows. 

As I recall there were all sorts of bizaare reasons flying around as to why they kept getting cancelled (then eventually never happened) including that Axl's weave had got infected and that the tour had been booked and Axl had no knowledge of it until he saw a poster! 

The whole tour ended up becoming one night in London (where two were originally scheduled) so I always thought that ticket sales were the issue more than anything else. 

Those were weird times to be a fan....but also exciting too, due to the mystery and intrigue. 

Oh man it was ridiculous, the whole bloody thing! He really made a spectacular balls up of the whole delivery of that band and album. I remember the 2002 VMAs happening, the realisation that Axl had braids, had clearly had some work done, and worse still was dressed as a wigga (am I even allowed to say that word now... <cancelled>). It was awful. And then there was the performance (though I understand on good authority that the rehearsal tapes rival Queen as the greatest performance of all time!) It would be almost 5 years before I even checked in again to see what was happening. It was by then hilarious that ChiDem was still unreleased!

1 minute ago, jamillos said:

They're not comparable with the 87-93 era not because of new songs or material but because these were two entirely different bands from two entirely different times, period. 

Well okay Axl allowed the comparison by insisting on using the name and continuing to play a set mainly made up of old songs. Don't want the comparison? Don't play so many of the old songs and use the name. Simples! The way this has panned out it is difficult to separate.

18 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Musically speaking 2006-2010 the band was on fire, after that 2012 was ok, 2014 was a disaster. The best GNR shows I've seen were from 2006-2012 so I would be one of those people saying I liked it. I wouldn't argue that the band was greatly successful during that time though. In 2006 the show they played in Dublin had 20/30000 attendance, next time was indoors sold out about 14000, next time same building they probably sold about 7/8000 tickets - it was clearly on a slide, and the media were fairly on top of them. It was course correctable though, it wasn't game set and match. They needed to do a tour where Axl came on stage on time like NITL, they needed a shit hot PR team spreading the news and they needed to get a new album out to make some momentum... obviously they chose plan b, and called Slash and co.

Anyway, back to the topic... Bumble made the right decision!

I've watched a few gigs from 2006 and 2010 and they were pretty good I thought. But I don't think they are comparable with the '87-'93 era, primarily because they mostly played a set comprised of the old band's material (certainly in 2006). The lack of material released really makes any comparison largely irrelevant. 

I never saw nu-GNR. I was supposed to see them 3 times around 2000 to 2002 in Glasgow. And each time it was cancelled. So I gave up on them then really.

The media were on top of the band during the nu-Guns era because Axl gave them EVERY reason to be. Cancelling tour after tour, turning up late, subpar performances, ridiculous delays to the album, a revolving door of musicians, and his general lack of engagement. 

2 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

That's down to a few things but basically GNR had burnt all their goodwill everywhere besides SA. They were doing well(ish) in EU and they were solid (ish) in Asia/Australia but it was a matter of time. America on the other hand was a disaster zone, they just couldn't generate any positive momentum - 90s / the split with Slash, huge wait for the record, the record being received fairly lukewarm, the Rio disaster before they kicked off the US run... add that all together and you've got the answer to why GNR were in the rough. The wheels were even coming off in Europe with Reading/Dublin making worldwide news.

Only 1 person to blame too! ...had Axl been singing his ass off on that RIO broadcast / the benefit show I think the sales would have been healthier, but still not sell outs. Probably still a few 2 for 1 offers here and there.

Nothing new, but It's interesting when you list out the bumps in the road historically😄

 

This is my recollection of that period as well. The Rio performance, that yellow fucking rain coat, and Axl seemingly just forgetting where he was during November Rain was not reported positively in the media. The Bridge School disaster saw him absolutely slated, and some of it was really pretty harsh. The Dublin gig was severely panned too. And a lot of the bad will started (in the UK and EU media at least) with the Reading balls up in 2010. GNR's legacy was in tatters at this point. 

But yet, despite all this, there are still some people who seemingly will argue that the nu-GNR period was either a) brilliant; and/or b) successful. Sure there was the odd moment of brilliance, no doubt. But all in... this was not a successful venture, comparatively to the '87-'93 era.

1 hour ago, RussTCB said:

If there's one thing to remember about GN'R, it's that what "most bands" do doesn't apply to them. 

Well yes this is true. Most other bands have some form of musical output which is exceeds 1 album in almost 30 years!  

16 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

You're right that CD is one-of-a-kind in how it was layered and pieced together, but generally, it's not uncommon for artists to hold onto songs for a few years, and then release them with minimal or zero re-recordings. If GNR release an album in the future (lol) I'd bet at least some, if not most of the vocals will be 15-20 years old... and I would actually hope the drum tracks are that old, too

Oh hell aye, many bands hold tracks back for sure. But rarely, rarely, rarely do bands utilise backing tracks by previous lineups and then add on top. I think we ar eon the same page and you'll get my point!  All that said, Whitesnake's Slide It In (US remix) is one example whereupon a new lineup added to an existing album. But in that instance, it was the same year! But the recent compilations that ol' Coverdale fired oot featured updated guitar and organ parts for songs off his Restless Heart album from 1997. This isn't common though. 

1 minute ago, RussTCB said:

Your opinion of Chinese Democracy doesn't really have anything to do with this, but noted. Having said that, there are many recordings throughout music history that feature vocals and instruments that were recorded long before their release so I can't imagine where you got the idea that "nobody" does it. 

Aye, okay there are albums that have been tarted up long after the original recordings (e.g. The Stones' Tattoo You album). But not many acts have a) taken 13 years to record a single album; b) used different drum tracks by different drummers on a single track; and c) used guitar solos by members who left years prior. Generally speaking, most bands don't apply this approach. Primarily because it produces an uneven result. 

My view on CD in previous post was specifically in relation to the audio mix and production. There are a number of songs on the album I don't mind/quite like.

2 hours ago, RussTCB said:

The next GN'R album will absolutely feature some recordings that are 20 years old or older. They just won't use any guitar or bass parts from another who was in the band from 1996 to 2014 

Why?! Like nobody makes albums like that. I'm not sure if you've ever been involved in audio recording before, but that's generally not how it works. ChiDem is one of a kind in that regard. And frankly... it's a fucking overloaded layered mess at points. 

7 minutes ago, El Guapo said:

I really can't understand that this is brought up again and again. Imo, there is absolutly NO way we're gonna hear any other guitar players on any new Gnr music (lol) than Slash and Fortus Longus. 

Agreed on all points. It actually baffles me why folk keep on pushing the narrative that a new GNR album will feature recordings done 20 years ago. Throw into the hat the constant talk of a double album too.  

38 minutes ago, slash23579 said:

Riad’s actually a decent song but it could be so much better without the Immigrant Song style screaming between the verses

The yelping is bad and so are the lyrics. But that aside yes there are some cool riffs in there. But the former two points ruin it for me! 

25 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Oh no, it's not a new thing at all. I just don't think people recognise that when they say it, they're just repeating what their parents said to them. 

I think nostalgia has never been as all consuming as it is now though. It's almost like it's become the driving force for the live music industry. 

If we wanted to go 'deep' on it there are probably sociological factors involved too, around growing wage disparities between the older and younger generations, and the ever increasing gap between the 'haves' (wealthy middle aged people born at the right time who, because of this luck, now find themselves with large amounts of excess cash to throw at trying to recreate their youth) and the 'have nots' (those more likely to embrace new artistic thoughts and ideas without a pot to piss in and no chance of getting anywhere because of the wealth and the established status-quo being heavily guarded by the 'haves').  I find the whole subject pretty fascinating really - how nostalgia stifles the new and why it's so big. There's some really interesting books about the whole subject out there. 

Ultimately though, it's just so fucking dull. I don't understand why anyone wants to constantly try (and always fail) to recreate the past, at the expense of the present. 

You make some good points here. Would agree with you.

7 minutes ago, Rovim said:

Foo Fighters defined the polished and precised modern pop rock approach. People in the mainstream like their rock mild and at room temperature. Gene is right in that when it comes to classic hard rock there must have been already a peak and then it turned to different sub genres of rock and alternative rock was the evolution of it but not as successful as Kiss or FF, so not relevant to Gene.

Gn'R was the peak of classic hard rock and Appetite was it so maybe Axl was right and they had to incorporate new influences if they didn't want to become AC/DC.

I would actually agree with most of this. 

Just now, Sledge said:

Don't misquote. I didn't defend DJ at all. His solo spots were predictable and polished. 

What you call "guitar wank" is one of the few reasons I bother to fork out large sums to see a rock show. Gene Simmons says rock is dead but he's part of the problem. I won't go to a kiss show because I know what I'm going to get. A greatest hits record in 3D. Cash grabbing nostalgia shows are what is killing rock. An artist saying that rock is dead is arrogantly stating "I was the best, there is nothing after me".

By move on I mean to break out of the nostalgia loop and make new creative choices to inspire a new generation of artists. 

Okay, each to their own. I have a low tolerance level for listening to extended guitar, bass, keyboard, bongo, tambourine, sub-bass, or drum solos. Zero interest in any of that shite. Unless the guitarist happens to be Ritchie Blackmore and it's 1976! But generally, it's head for a piss time when the extended soloing starts. 

I think you have a point your point about nostalgia rock being a part of the problem. Though I don't think Gene is necessarily saying he's the best (and I'm not a massive KISS fan either). But you're right, bands like his do need to fuck off and let younger bands have a crack at the whip. However I think his point is more around the evolution of rock. In so much as since grunge and nu-metal in the 1990s, rock has not really moved on all that much. That's my take on it.   

6 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said:

The "select" I would look forward to, is if they, after 5 years, finally would put that fucking Troubadour show online. That would be the one thing they could do to honour the fans.

You meant to say the 2002 VMA rehearsals video, right!? Hahahahaha! Oh how I jest.

9 minutes ago, Sledge said:

Don't get me wrong, the reunion was something I didn't expect and am elated that it did. However there are aspects of that old larger band I miss. As an artist I loved the atmosphere of two hours of artists having a solo spot to express themselves. Because all those guys were such an eclectic group it made listening to the individual sum of the parts an interesting experience. There was always that feeling of excitement (excluding DJ) that solo/jam was building to the intro of a new song. With slash (as awesome as his solos are) it's the excitement of building up to a classic song. So yeah I miss that feeling. Kinda like the Joshua tree anniversary tour, it was a fun nostalgia trip but let's move on.

Each to their own, but personally, I don't go to a GNR concert to hear solos from DJ Ashba, Robin Finck, Buckethead, Ron Thall, Richard Fortus, or anybody else who has zero connection to the songs they are playing as part of the main set. Gimme less guitar wank, less pointless covers, and more actual GNR songs!

Not entirely sure what you mean by 'move on', but the reality is, as noted within this thread really... In the eyes of the media and general public, GNR is based around the original 1987 to 1993 period. If Slash departed there would be no more. 

6 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

 

Yea there was definitely a sharp decline from 2012-14, and the 2011 tour only happened because Axl lost a lawsuit, it was definitely a commercial low-point. Rio and especially Bridge School were the final nails in the coffin as far as most casual fans were concerned.

Oh yes, the Bridge School disaster. That was the period where I tuned out for sure. There was a gradual realisation over a few years that the band had descended into a joke. To some degree I feel sorry for Axl for the amount of pelters he takes in the press. But he does himself absolutely no favours - from dress sense, to appearance, to voice issues, to lack of anything new etc. 

1 hour ago, timoteo said:

360+ pages and still nothing? 
 

Lol 

All part of the master plan. I just know in my heart of hearts that the guys will be having several Zoom meetings per week to discuss important stuff. Like whether or not Dizzy's tambourine track in State of Grace should be 1db higher or lower, or which of Richard's rhythm guitar tracks for Hard School should they use from his 18 years of recording, and should they splice together a mix featuring Paul's original demo work done in 1998. But of course, the burning question will be... do they need a separate specifically recorded sub bass track for each individual song, rather than just using the existing patch on the chosen audio software  to replicate the master track at the allocated dbs. Once all of this is sorted, Axl just needs to re-record all of his vocal tracks again,  and then the triple album bonanza will be unleased on the world. Promises of remixes and follow ups will be made too. But in the meantime, keep yourselves entertained with a GNR toy truck!!

1 minute ago, jamillos said:

Weak. I say let's break the circle and start supporting the idea of a triple album!

What a great idea! I really think GNR could buck the trend of people streaming and sell millions upon millions of physical copies. I'd also be keen for multiple different versions with different DB levels of each instrument. People would lap that shit up for sure. Also, can you imagine a Buckethead remix album too!!!!