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Just now, Rovim said:

recap: he told me it's impossible for me to enjoy the drums on Absurd cause the song is much too compressed. He also seems to believe that you must have a minimum amount of verses in a song for it to be not lazy and therefore, good and most importantly, If he doesn't like it, it's objectively bad and you must think so as well.

That's not what I said. At all. Never once have I expressed anything close to what you have described. Sure I'll challenge you, but then again why post if you don't like a challenge. Re-read what I said. I'm a fairly reasonable person.  But if you choose to see otherwise; then that's okay too... no skin off my nose. 

4 minutes ago, EvanG said:

I agree, but doesn't it occur to you that that might be what he was trying to do? In a song like this repeating lyrics might work better than 4 different verses. Again, maybe not to you, but I reckon that's what he was going for.

I mean, I can't imagine him sitting in his mansion, nachos in one hand, pen in the other, and thinking.... ''god, I'm so lazy, too lazy to write another verse, so you know what? I'll just repeat the same lines, I'm sure no one will mind''

Touche! Conversely I can't imagine him sitting in his mansion, nachos in one hand, pen in the other, thinking: "I've not released any new music in years, what better way to reintroduce myself artistically to the world than to include some powerful imagery about a vagina being populated and consumed by larva. Oh yes, that will do the trick just nicely!" 

3 minutes ago, EvanG said:

Haha... why is it lazy? Sometimes there's a reason to repeat a verse or it fits nicely with the song. It's totally cool if you don't like the song or that he repeats lyrics, but I don't understand why that immediately means it's lazy.

I understand that. But repeating the same refrain without any musical difference three times... it's hardly a progression within the context of the song. That's my point, sir. 

Chaps, this is a near 60 year old man singing 'pussy full of maggots'... and signing the same verse 3 times. If you're cool with that, great. Personally, I think it's lazy as fuck! But you know what song I think has good lyrics... Hard Skool. I think those are good and well crafted. Which is what annoys me about Axl... you get some really good lyrics and some utterly banal bullshit as well. But, on his day, he's an underrated lyricist with some cracking lines. 

16 minutes ago, Rovim said:

I just listened to Absurd studio version 7 times. It's a great song. Slash and Duff improved it and I hope there are a lot of mean tracks on the album like Absurd and State Of Grace plus unheard tracks so we have different tastes cause I'm extracting enjoyment even though it's compressed, and at first I hated Silkworms but I also like Scraped..

Bizarrely I don't mind the studio version of Silkworms but don't like Absurd. Hahaha! But I would never class it as a great song. By any stretch of any imagination. The lyrics are so bad to start with!

6 minutes ago, Rovim said:

maybe all of it. I like the drum parts? you can take that literally so there is more chance for you to find it.

Had another listen there, but didn't really notice anything special about the drums that were particularly stand out. Each to their own. However that said, I am also certain that the compression level just sucks out any possible enjoyment that ever could be extracted by my ears! 

5 minutes ago, Rovim said:

I agree the compression is excruciating but I was specifically talking about the drum parts on Absurd.

Didn't notice anything special about them... am I missing something?!

1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

Without intent, nothing will happen. so intent does count for something, but just not everything. And now you are basically just arguing for what I have been saying GN'R plans often don't come to fruition. 

Yes, but without going down a rabbit hole here... one can, with a degree of accuracy predict motivation, whereas same cannot be said of intent. Intent is more open to falsehoods. So within the hierarchy of human needs, motivation is weighted greater than intent. One can have as much intent to do anything as one so desires. But unless one is motivated, the intent is reduced in significance.  

4 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Absolutely, but I think we can confidently say an album (or at least additional releases) is intended, unless people are lying to us, but that is very pelesque position to take. And we can confidently say that more and more evidence suggests an album (or at least additional releases) is being planned.

But whether it will come out at all, is of course impossible to say and we should NEVER be surprised if things take additional time and/or gets scrapped. 

I think that's subjective and I am okay with people concluding it isn't "highly likely" based on what's come out in the public. 

Intent doesn't count for anything and we have no way of validating whether it's true or not. Remember Axl intended to release a trilogy of albums. Never happened. 

On subjectivity, the 'evidence' (and I feel uncomfortable using that word in this context) provided equally falls into that category. 

12 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

But I can't understand why we can't agree that the evidence at least suggests an intention and that thus the likelihood of a release has increased. 

Whilst the probability might have increased, it has not suddenly flipped on its arse and become 'highly likely'. 

7 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Of course I agree that with Guns N' Roses we can't take anything for certain until it has actually happened. I always make sure to add this disclaimer/caveat when I talk about a future release. But that still doesn't explain how people can take the same evidence that I say points to an increased likelihood of a release (like any sane person would) and somehow make it seem conclusive that a new record is not coming out. It makes absolutely no sense. 

One either believes an album will be released; or doesn't. Neither viewpoint is conclusive and for anybody to suggest otherwise would, as you rightly point out, make no sense. What is conclusive though... is that none of us currently know the answer. 😁

1 minute ago, SoulMonster said:

It wasn't about duty. I am just flabbergasted by the fact that people don't accept all the evidence as indications of an album being in the works. In my opinion is is so obvious. It boggles my mind when people can look at the same evidence and conclude an album is not coming out. That's the negativity I was referring to, not negativity towards the band in general, its lack of output, the choice of Absurd, their inability to write new music, etc etc, which is all warranted I suppose.

 

Allow me to explain... some people don't see the same level of merit in the 'evidence' presented as you do. Whilst something may appear obvious to you, and you could be correct in the long run, other people don't believe until there is something to believe in. If it comes out; great, I'll give it a listen. If it doesn't; great, I'll go to the pub or chance my luck with the Mrs! That is where it ranks in my priority list! Based on recent release performance, probability says a new GNR album is not likely to shake my world all that much, though I would be hopeful that there would be at least some stuff on there I'd enjoy. Hope that clarifies.

15 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Arguing that there won't be a GN'R album because it's so long since their last release, doesn't make much sense if you know the history of the band. The only time I would be using tim as an argument against a coming release, would be immediately after a release, because we know it takes a long time for them to release anything. So the fact that they haven't released an album since 2008 means absolutely nothing, except that t is probably getting close to a new release

And the fact that Slash and Duff haven't written anything new with Axl is also not a functional argument for why a new album can't be released next year when we know that the idea is to release old CD session songs which Slash and Duff has added onto - and Slash say they had worked on lots of such songs.

Here's an actual argument that suggests we aren't getting any new music: Axl hasn't talked about it lately. Axl used to like talking about his music. The fact that he hasn't, could be interpreted as evidence for him not being interested and that nothing being in the works. But the counter-argument to this is of course that Axl hasn't really talked much at all, and what he has said, like at the China Exchange, was positive. He basically seems to have taken the position of not communicating much and letting the music speak for itself, as with the recent two singles.

So no, I don't think you had much weighty argument for why we are not getting a new album. At least not to counter all the evidence in favor of a new release and certainly not enough to warrant the bizarre negativity around here.

People are not duty bound to be positive about a band that has delivered so little in so long. If a new album arrives; it arrives... personally too little too late. That's my opinion.

9 hours ago, Rovim said:

he doing it. there is no way Absurd reflects the quality of the completed album. And it grew on me, especially the live version but the drumming on the studio version is great. The tune itself is a cool and short and nasty tune. HS is maybe a better tune but Axl always goes for the diverse type of records. I expect great heavy tunes and more epic compositions.

Eh, aye well each to their own pal. I'm glad you like it and get some enjoyment from the song. 🙂 I would rather listen to My World if I'm honest.

To these ears, as somebody who plays drums, the drum tracks used on Absurd are so bloody compressed that there should be an arrest warrant issued on behalf on the air! There's more life left in me Granny to be honest... and she died in 1990. 

9 minutes ago, Rovim said:

Gn'R is not going to end without releasing a final album. that's stupid. I want it to be next year so it coincides with the release of Slash's album but it could easily be delayed to 2023 but I don't think that would happen. Axl seems to be in a good mood so If you don't think there's a very high chance of it happening, you're blind no offense.

Up to him to get his finger oot his jacksie and release the fucker then! Coz lyrics like "a pussy full of maggots" don't lend themselves well to those in their 60s. Kinda has a different meaning, get me!

15 minutes ago, Martin Riggs said:

What is Angus talking about? Like new age stuff in Sedona or what? 

I have it on good authority that Axl took up hurling after a trip to Ireland in the mid-00s. Apparently is mad for County Tyrone. Also heard from another source that he's big into Coronation Street, particularly the free-Deirdre Rashid era. 

I am going to get crap for this but I think the riffage in Hard Skool is pretty bloody cool. Some sweet harmonies and the riff and chord work is superb. Out with that... SPEED PARADE!!!!!

1 minute ago, Blackstar said:

But I've seen a few articles in Portuguese (including interviews with Beta) and they refer to albums as "CD's". For example, Beta had called Chinese Democracy "the new CD".

Ach aye, same in Scotland... you'd ask: "heard that new CD fae <insert name o' band>?" and it could mean 'album'. However, if whatever band had only released an EP or a single, then that same question would be equally applicable. I really wouldn't read into that too much. At all. 

2 minutes ago, El Guapo said:

I still think there will be an album. But I can't get excited about it since Slash crushed all hope that it will contain anything else than warmed up Chinese leftovers. They're just not a real band anymore and now we know that won't change ever again. 

Aye, that's likely a fair way of putting it to be honest.

The case for an album - the band have recently released two singles which Beta then confirmed will appear on a CD next year. To which the band then announced a pending EP. But a Brazilian poster said that in Brazil, 'CD' actually means 'album', whereas everywhere else in the world it generally means, eh, 'CD'. Susan McKagan confirmed on her social media years ago that an album is being worked on. There are gaps in the ISRC database for recent GNR entries. 

Clearly the band have worked on some stuff otherwise we wouldn't have the pending EP. But forgive me if I have missed the big ass smoking gun here... this is hardly rock solid compelling evidence! I'll echo Russ' comments... I hope I'm wrong. But fuck a duck, this is clutching at straws! Anybody got a number for Mystic Meg?

2 minutes ago, Sosso said:

Kudos to Angus. I wouldnt call Rock the Rock "music" either. 

Careful now... you'll get lumped in with the hater crowd with chat like that!!

9 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

What evidence to people actually have to support this negativity? 

There's been no album since 2008. There's been one album of original material since 1991. Slash/Duff have back been in the band for 5 years now and they have managed to release re-recordings of 2 old songs previously circulated amongst fans. Slash recently said the band have not seriously sat down and tried to write any new music in this entire time. Slash will have released 2 solo albums come February 2022 in the time he has been back in the band. Duff and Dizzy will both have released a solo album each in that same timeframe. Angus Young said of Axl in 2021 interview: "He's involved in a lot of stuff. I don’t even know if you would say it was music. But he had a lot of things that he was involved in.” There ya go pal.

12 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

The argument of "they let the music do the talking" is laughable. 

If they're such a high road band, then why this their website filled with incredibly overpriced merch? 

Legend has it, if you listen to Absurd through the GNR laundry bag whilst simultaneously battering the GNR toy truck off your skull repeatedly... it sounds fucking amazing! 

26 minutes ago, yourcrazy said:

I truly was excited to have them finally play a “new song”.  Although I hate Absurd, Hard Skool is a decent track.  I have the other leaks and only thought HS was worthy of releasing.  I hope I’m wrong and that there is some great stuff in the works, but at this point I am not real hopeful.   I was really hoping this reunion and reconnection with Slash and Duff would have really sparked some creative juices.  For Slash to say they have wasted another 5 years and haven’t written anything new pretty much extinguished any hope of new music.  Sure we may get a few CD leftovers, but this news makes me think there isn’t much left in the tank. 

Are you me???! 🤣😁😆 Spot on assessment.

15 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

You have already in quite a few posts over the last months pointed out that you aren't and take any opportunity to express your dislike for the released songs and the potential of the Village demos. We get it

You're clearly not reading properly then sir. Because I've also said I think Hard Skool is a decent track... let down by bad production. Over quite a few posts. In a quite a few weeks. Which I have confidence you will get! 🙂🙃