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3 hours ago, megaguns1982 said:

It's like one year in.... right now they are all about touring. When it's over, I'm sure more good things will come, weather that's an album or whatever who knows.

but I'd bet they are getting offers for soundtracks and stuff. Trouble is that the money is in touring these days not releasing music and the big 3 know that.

How lucrative was it in terms of dollars when they put YCBM on Terminator 2?

22 minutes ago, JustanUrchin said:

 

 

As anticipation grows about the possibilities next month because, well, because AFD is the #1 debut selling of ALL-TIME and because it remains one of the most ICONIC rock albums ever, the handful of remaining Axl apologists relentlessly peddle myth in this and other threads.  It seems high time to PIN basic legal fact to the D&N section in a simple, succinct list format to quash the incessant propaganda of the few.

The Axl apologist training course, in summation:

Step 1, chant the following about the two decades of Axl’s solo band:  Grammies don’t mean shit.  Album sales don’t mean shit.  YT views don’t mean shit.  Fifteen original songs in 26 years, the collection of 14 which crawled onto Wikipedia’s short-list of worst all-time albums, doesn’t mean shit.  Axl playing AFD-UYI covers at backyard bbq’s and bowling alleys with a busload of revolving-door cover "artists" doesn’t mean shit.

Step 2, conflate Axl urinal-sniffing with legal fact:   

Urinal-sniffing 1:  Axl’s 15 original songs in 26 years “is Gn’R.”  Legal fact 1:  Axl withdrew from the Gn’R General Partnership on NYE ’95 after providing legal notice the summer prior.  Two biz entities d/b/a Gn’R existed after that date.  One, which is Original Gn’R as referred (correctly) to in legal pleadings, and the other, which is Axl’s Gn’R as referred (correctly) to in legal pleadings.  Slash and Duff, as Remaining Partners, were Original Gn’R after said date and, as such, thereafter controlled Original Gn’R p’ship assets—AFD through UYI—licensing, merchandising, etc.  Axl, as principal, controlled Axl’s Gn’R post-NYE 1995, and thereafter whatever he released into the marketplace that was a product of his solo band.

Urinal-sniffing 2:  Axl’s 15 original songs in 26 years “is Gn’R because that’s the mark on the album cover.”  Legal fact 2:  S/D/A executed a MOU in ‘92, which included an amendment that Axl would retain the exclusive right to the mark “Guns n’ Roses” if he withdrew from the p’ship.  Axl could, legally then, use the mark Gn’R for any venture thereafter—be it a pastry sole proprietorship or an incorporated cattle ranch or anything in between.  Slash and Duff, legally then, could not use the mark Gn’R under which to perform if Axl withdrew or was terminated.  Three years to the day of the executed MOU, Axl provided legal notice that he was withdrawing from Original Gn’R and, given that he would retain exclusive right to the use of the mark, he gave Slash and Duff notice that he, Axl, intended to use the mark “in connection with a new group that I will form.”

Urinal-sniffing 3:  S/DM/IS/SA/AR are “not original Gn’R.”  Legal fact 3:  The o-r-i-g-i-n-a-l Gn’R is the five individuals who signed a recording contract with Geffen, formed a General Partnership, registered said p’ship with the Cali DoS, and registered the marks and (copy) rights.   Said o-r-i-g-i-n-a-l legal partners recorded and toured the #1 debut selling album of ALL-TIME.  No other natural person can claim (for pecuniary gain) to be original unless he or she cares to reply to a cease-and-desist letter and defend against subsequent injunctive relief and damages litigation.  There can be no revisionism of original Gn’R.  It is legal fact. 

Unrelated urinal-sniffing (but propagandized by Axl revisionists to appear related):  references to a post-NYD ’96 RECORDING agreement further corroborates the above legal fact while conflating basic legal principles.  Axl, with brand name in tow, formed Axl’s Gn’R in ’96 and, in May ’98, both Slash and Duff executed amendments to the ’92 RECORDING agreement to prevent Axl from drawing from their royalty (not capital) accounts to finance his solo band’s ‘recording,’ said solo recording which ultimately was released a decade later.  While in control of Original Gn’R, S/D became leaving MEMBERS of the RECORDING agreement while Axl was a terminated PARTNER of Original Gn’R.

Based upon averments that were not specifically denied and thus deemed admitted, it is indisputable that Axl quit Original Gn’R for control:  the control of the mark, and employer control of any natural person in his post-NYD ’96 solo band.  History shows what Axl did with control of the mark “Guns n’ Roses,” and, ultimately, capitulating after two decades to Original Gn’R Remaining Partners Slash and Duff to license, synch and merchandise Original Gn’R.  Forgetting the killing S/D/A are raking on merchandising and licensing for NASCAR and the like, ticketing alone has grossed more than a quarter of a billion dollars, Axl capitulated legally (and he capitulated in the practical sense—he admitted in the D/A south of America interview last fall that he requested Slash’s number).  Not in This Lifetime.  Indeed.

Did Axl capitulate to remaining Original Gn’R partners Slash and Duff for you, the Axl apologist?  For the joy of performing 30 year-old songs that were the subject of voluminous litigation with Slash and Duff?  For the burning desire to create new music with Slash and Duff and to release it to you, the Axl apologist?  To release solo tunes from a mythical "vault," when 14 of the BEST 15 of those best mid-temp piano yawners landed on Wikipedia's worst all-time albums and he had to resort to covering Gn'R at backyard bbq's and weddings to pay his live-ins and employees (to some extent, anyhow, not including one of his "keyboardists")?  For other reason(s)?  There sure is a fuckload of money in gate, merchandising and licensing/synch by capitulating to the Remaining Partners and performing to seas of buyers/customers in packed stadiums across the world, many of whom are sporting fresh Gn’R shirts and venue-specific trinkets.

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To everyone else who just wants to rock TFO to celebrate the #1 debut selling album of ALL-TIME next month with all FIVE ready, willing and able original partners:  Adler’s flurry of activity after the presumptive one-year K/NDA expired January 2017 was an extension of his prior (successful) pressure/negotiation-tactics in late 2015 (months later he had his ass on kit to perform ALL AFD songs until his injury).  Then he fell silent in March 2017, but in typical Adler fashion threw in a nugget of repetitive fact (this is the guy who has beaten down S/D/A/I in legal proceedings):  “I don't have nothing else to say about it.  I'm really sorry.  That's all I can tell you.  There's nothing to say.  I literally, literally honest to god literally, I can't even tell you why I can't tell you anymore.  Literally, okay?  I really can't.  I just can't."  Adler should be pissing up the S/D/A tree as he was in late 2015 just before he fell silent.  Yet is not.  A NDA would not reach his thoughts/opinions forward or past-looking, only his time under the K/NDA in 2016.  He should be out-and-about precisely now, but is not.

It’s your call.  Adler is my bellwether.  He’ll be returning.  But at the “Apollo?”  Axl/LN must pretend that Axl is “super-diverse” given OIAM.  We have the D/A south of America interview last fall re Izzy, and Izzy’s “bullshit” reply, Izzy’s F.P. Money and, before that, Izzy’s “Stuck in the Middle with You.”  We’ve got the conglomerate LN running the show, leasing the marked LN jet, and a massive-grossing world-wide tour.  Not good for AFD 30.  But we’ve got Adler’s newfound silence.  It’s a push.  Does the greed of S/D/A (gate, licensing, merch, synch) and LN (“diverse, big tent”) prevail over renegotiating with Izzy and having Adler on the kit for all HIS songs?  I sniff the stench of greed and politics of a one-off or brief series given the scheduled spate of American shows in the can.  But surely so, too, does LN, Slash’s separate counsel and management and Duff’s separate counsel and management.  And maybe even Axl’s live-ins are vaguely aware of the extra dollars that they could eye in Axl’s pocket.  LN has data culling and analytics at its disposal on social media posts.  There is a balloon of mentions/likes/reposts each time Adler appeared and a spike when there’s been any indication of a full FIVE reunion.  In the end, the greed of S/D/A and LN may be to our—the AFD fans’—good.  Perverse, right?

Well said. This time next month we can raise a glass and listen  loud and proud to AFD. The Axl apologists can listen to CD instead. Its interesting Axl always said in interviews he took the name  when everyone was around him on drugs during the illusions tour and trademarked the name for himself to "protect the bands name" incase all members died and no-one therefore would have legally owned the name.

I think everyone is not only wanting new music but  hungry for any information as to what this band plans to do for the next 12months to 2 years. A worts and all interview in terms of

how they think the tour has been,

what were their fears with this lineup coming together

What was Slashs reaction when axl called him when he was on tour.

Will we ever see Matt or gilby in any future band plans

why does steven only get small slots here and there,

has there been any communication with Izzy to get him into whatever plans this lineup wants to do.

 What does the band want to ultimately achieve, now that they realise they can tour together and not seem as if they get sick of one another

Where they surprised with how many fans have been turning out to see this lineup

Will slash be playing with SKMC in any foreseeable future or is Guns his main priority at this stage

Will they be releasing the Troubadoor show, and looking at releasing any of the archives in terms of Appetitie/illusions tour on DVD

What does Axl plan to do with the CD leftovers

When will we see a drumming clinic DVD by Frank

I hope they release an EP or a full  on album of new material and another tour.

11 hours ago, Kasanova King said:

I'm not one of the people here that goes in show threads and complains about the lineup...not having Adler, Izzy etc.  I think for this stage in the reunion, having Axl, Slash and Duff together is great...much better than anything we've had in the past 20 years.

 

That being said, if they actually consider this an AFD anniversary celebration and they don't have the AFD 5 there, it would be pointless and a slap in the face to fans.  At the very least, they need to have 4 out of the 5 there...and even 4/5 would be somewhat weak, imo

 

 

 

To do true justice, its either the original 5 or no show at all. If they do the show with the current lineup and play mainly appetite songs the mygnrforum website will go into meltdown mode.

6 minutes ago, RONIN said:

He had some cool moments on YCBM and Locomotive, but I think Sorum is really let down by the production and mixing of UYI. The drumming has a weird "tinny" sound to it that just feels sterile - like the kind of drumming you'd find in an overproduced Michael Jackson album. 

Sorum's big "stadium band" style drumming lacks that limber, energetic edge that Adler brings which gives the AFD songs a breakneck propulsiveness. Even Civil War has that. With Sorum, his drumming makes the songs "bigger" but they also drag and feel stiffer as a result. 

I'm with you re: Frank. Sorum would be way better. 

I recall Alan Niven mentioning that a big reason Adler was kicked out was not necessarily the drugs, but rather that he lacked the skill and technique to play on UYI material. I don't know how true that is since we have the "Mates" rehearsal where Steven is playing on a bunch of UYI demos. I lean more towards Alan Niven's version of the story and it would make sense why they gravitated towards a more skilled drummer like Matt rather than finding an Adler clone.

Yeah man I agree especially the overproduced sound, I guess in a way we will never know what the alternative could have sounded like if Matt didn't join. Even if adler was still drumming, I think that even matts drumming was more precise maybe more technical especially with some of the hi-hat stuff on certain songs whether adler could have had the same style, so I can understand what Alan Niven was saying also as the band had 36  days to do 36 songs I don't think with the way adler was he could keep up with the recordings and the pace in which the band were recording, they were under the gun. Also I remember reading that there was constant arguments between axl and slash. Slash wanting the song to sound a certain way and threatening to burn the masters if axl didn't give in, so the whole atmosphere wouldn't have been very pleasant.

I can undersntand the sound being overly produced but I think that was the way from 89-91 a lot of bands were recording. Motley Crues dr feelgood also has that big sound  style that just lacks that certain limber, energetic edge.  

2 hours ago, passenger57 said:

The problem with meeting legendary people like this is it's hard to know what the hell to say. The couple times I met Slash, his coolness put me at ease, so I just talked about stupid stuff like Denny's Restaurants or talking shit about Poison which he seemed to get a kick out of. But when I met Roger Waters last year, I shook his hand and my mind went blank cause I was in shock.

Roger Waters comes across as a grumpy fuck. Abit like lou reed.

I love matts drumming. It may not have the seat of your pants playing like adler, but the band were wanting to develop and Matts drumming was perfect for the songs and for the time of the band. I don't know about sympathy for the devil as slash has said, the song is the sound of a band disintegrating. When I hear Franks drumming on the illusion songs it tells me sorums playing cant be replicated. Liked his drumming on Contraband to. The only reason hes not part of the NITL tour is because Axl doesn't like him because of ego simple as that.

9 minutes ago, RONIN said:

We agree on most things Bono and I think that's mostly the case here. 

While I'm not really a big fan of Axl and Slash's solo work - I do think that together, they could put out a kickass album. Totally doable. 

The point I'm making is simply, with Izzy - they would make a better album. And that doesn't take anything away from Axl, Duff and Slash. The 4 of those guys just have legendary chemistry writing music together.

As for Sorum - guess we part ways there. I was always under the impression that most people vastly prefer Adler to Sorum (die hards and critics) and that his work on UYI wasn't really held in high regard. I know Axl certainly doesn't think very highly of it but then again, he does have an axe to grind against Matt. 

I agree Ronin on your third paragraph. However Illusions had other writers being Del James and West Arkeen and Axl wrote with those guys as well. So the question is if Guns would do an album does Axl have a relationship especialy with West to write with him again and would there be outside writers again?. Or would the writing be within the band and possibly Izzy?

I have always wondered if Izzy has lyrics and jams leftover from stuff that hes mucked around with on a tape that says " guns stuff" and has kept it aside for that ever fateful day when slash and or axl give him a call and say we are in a studio come on down. Izzy never got a chance to play as part of the NITL tour but wondering if there was ever a carrot stick that he would be called should there be anything further happen in terms of studio stuff and Izzy would be given writing credits should any studio stuff become a reality..........

Im probably in a minority that loves sorums playing on the illusion stuff. I don't think they could have gotten a better drummer in Matt. I know the material sounds robotic or professional but when I hear the drumming on estranged and  have to listen to frank, the band made the right call in Matt. Although that decision in hiring Matt was left to slash and duff to manage, axl didn't want the responsibility.

Really like the shotgun shirt at the bottom. Im hoping that shirt is part of the merch for their US tour.....so hopefully I can grab it on the Online store.

19 minutes ago, Blake Sabbath said:

If you're in Munich this looks like it's definitely worth checking out:

Really like that jacket.

7 hours ago, wasted said:

Subjective opinion. A lot of bands used it too great effect. Point taken about it all going on CD, but that is CD. You get upset by the beeps but they are a common thing in the 90s from Radiohead to Manson and NIN.  CD was put together like AFD with all these different influences on one record. Maybe the scope of AFD wasn't as broad so it's not as jarring. Better has a NIN element and Skynard element, just as It so Easy has punk and rock parts. 

Most of those bands aren't cluttered. Manson is well balanced. I think CD just had extra layers in the tradition of rock going OTT but I'm not convinced many tracks were cluttered in the end. It's wall of sound on some tracks like Catcher which makes sense. I thought keyboards in rock was from the 70s and in the 90s the 70s were back. Maybe from a really metal pov a keyboard is pretentious, first rock record I got was Hysteria and grew up on 80s pop, so keyboards I just normal. I guess I found NIN in the techno sectiom of a record store, it was like electronica. I never thought of NIN and Manson as arty but I guess they were. Very theatrical. Keyboards do lend that dimension. I'm not sure they added it to be high art though, that was just part of their lineage or influences. It's just a keyboard man!

 

I do think elements of nu metal though here and there. There's a Muse type thing going on Shackler's. Ron put in that sort 00s prog rock element. There's definitely a lot to take in and it's fair enough that some don't like it or think it's not hard rock or whatever. It has this ear candy element too which goes with itunes. It reminds of those 90s records from Faith no more or Bungle where on first listen you can't take it all in. It takes a while but then the songs emerge. It's not very radio friendly. It is diametrically oppsed to rock in a way. It almost like the fetishization of rock it's so detailed.  I doubt it was planned its just with all those players and production team and Axl it could happen organically. 

CD is just a subjective record because it divides more fans than any other guns records. The reason why CD sounded the way it did is because Axl was obviously into whatever musical trend was at the time. I dis agree with the comment "CD was put together like AFD with all these different influences on one record,". CD you hear the influences, with AFD I cant hear any of the bands influences come into the record and that album sounded nothing like the usual 80's drivel that was being recorded at that time. The band didn't look much less sound like anyone at the time which is the reason why AFD sounds so ferocious, and why every band at that time tried to do metal ballads. Guns WAS the influence in the hard rock world during that time. With CD you hear the influences of all 90's nu-metal bands rolled into one. Personally if Axl had released CD during the nu metal time perhaps 96 it would have done well, when my ears hears the album  the music was released in the wrong decade. He was basically 10 years to late releasing it. The beeps on CD is on par with radiohead, . Personally and I think im right, that nu-metal didn't hold up as a style for very long because it wasn't organic music and had a shorter lifespan than what grunge did. When I listen to CD now and even when I gave it a few spins when It came out I could hear the influences but thought the guy had released the album 10 years to late, and albums like that don't age well. AFD was the right album at the right time which is why it has a major impact in the music world and will be documented in music magazines in years/decades to come.....but will CD?

Took me a while to get into the album when it first came out however it wasn't until they toured Australia in early 2005 that the music made sense. I was astounded during their first show in Sydney when I saw them and to this day is one of the best shows ive ever seen by a band. They played one STP song and a ciouple of guns songs ( its so easy, use to love her, cant remember the other one)  Their music live really made an impact. Well to me at least. I still play Contraband periodically on my Ipod. They were a fresh of breath air at the time as rock music in general was pretty shit. They were to tour again here in 2008 but cancelled 3 times until the band then fired Scott.

5 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

I don't know if expectations are that high. At least not yet. 

I think people kinda get this is a nostalgia thing, and that's a big part of the appeal. See Axl and Slash, "real" GNR, play. All you have to do is look at them and know it's not 1991 anymore. If they let the "Axl/Slash/Duff" reunion linger too long people will start to want/anticipate new music and have expectations for it, but if they just got something out it'll be what it is. It'll sell. Probably be decent. I think Contraband is the level they should shoot for, fun rock album that's worth picking up and an enjoyable listen, even if it doesn't change your life or stick with you. The longer they wait to put something out, the more it becomes "Chinese" thing where it's going to be the most epic thing ever.

 

I think that once the tour wraps up will be everyones questions about new music. I can understand everyone seeing them because we all thought or new this would never happen. It has and allow the tour to continue and see it for what it is which is axl and slash playing together again. Once the tour wraps the question will be, what now?. That will either be new music of some description or another tour or SlASH leaving to focus on SKMC.  Its either new music or bust.  I agree with Ronin, Tom2112 and Apoloos comments. Axl would be best to maybe trawl through any of the CD2 songs that the current band may like and I would keep maybe 5 Any left over songs bin or delete. Any further songs should be written from scratch taking in all band members input. In the time they take to work on an album, release a DVD for the Troubador show as a box set with illusions and appetite tours cleaned up on DVD to tie the fans down for a new album and also helps clean the slate for this band to release new music under a new lineup, so it looks more legitimate. With people here posting that bands don't like releasing anything new or don't know how with technology is bullshit. Technology savvy bands/artists know how to release music  and especially when they have savvy management to help push the music out, which unfortunately isn't what we have with team fandango. Duff enjoys the internet because to him it helps him reach out to fans more easily. Its the 2017 punk way of allowing a band to establish a relationship with the fans. Alternatively what the band could have done at the start is do 2 new songs either as written from scratch or CD2 songs reworked and release 1 new song and add to the setlist, add to radio and iTunes and with  Guns making that advertised sign in LA tells people that guns is back. Then as the tour rolls on 6 months later release another new song until the tour then wraps up. They could release 2 or 3 new songs during the time of the tour until they are ready to do a new album after the tour.

The drum clinic I met Steven back in Sydney in 2009 was approachable and you could take pictures and let him  sign some of your stuff. Hes a lot more "approachable" and you didn't need to pay a shitload for the privilidge.

When the illusion albums came out this is no more different to how the band were checking a journalists material before allowing the journalist to print the interview. Everytime a  journalist would interview them the band would have to "sign off" on the content before allowing the interview to be published. If the band didn't agree to the content then there would be legal ramifications.

6 hours ago, Blake Sabbath said:

Considering that same design was available in Bilbao, albeit with a Spanish flag embezzled behind the traditional graphic, I think it's safe to say that it's the Euro 2017 country specific equivalent of the black/beige City Skull n' Guns NITL backprint tees from the beginning...

"black/beige City Skull n' Guns NITL backprint tees from the beginning... " ive never seen these before, are you able to give an example?. I do know that skull appeared on the Aus tour shirts from back in 1993

10 hours ago, Tom-Ass said:

Exactly this.... For the people that want to hear CD songs, Axl should to a solo club/theater tour on his down time from Guns to keep his nut swingers happy.  Looking at the increase of ticket sales since the "reunion" people want to heart songs by the classic lineups.. All these people sure as hell weren't buying tickets during the painful CD era..

Well lets be honest , he didn't need to do a club show he toured CD for 6 years only to see that with each passing year, the attendance records were down and only die hard NuGNR were attending. When people aren't coming to your shows what does that tell you and you can't blame economics all the time. Team yes were probably on the side of the stage each night every year saying to his ear that the crowds are loving the songs and the music. But the cash registers tell a different story. The question Axl needs to ask is was CD worth breaking up a band for ?. Below is an interview from Slash from back in  2000,       

Recently, Kerrang reported the rumours sweeping LA that the classic GN’R line-up - Slash, Axl, guitarist Izzy Stradlin, bassist Duff McKagan and drummmer Steven Adler - were secretly rehearsing together in Phoenix. Slash hasn’t seen the story, but he had heard about it.

Is it really Guns N’Roses without him (slash) in the band?

He thinks for a moment.

« I can’t answer that. I just wish the fucker would get the fuckin’ record out so I could see why he took something so cool and systematically, destroyed it. I want to hear where he was headed, and what he was trying to communicate that none of us in the band could relate to. »

7 hours ago, Silent Jay said:

We all know that Axl like singing Chinese Democracy the most.

I think the band has every right to play Prostitute since it is the latest geniune GnR deepcut.

I'm not sure which song do you want instead? Axl is not capable and mostly doesn't want to perform Right Next Door To Hell or Locomotive ever. Get real.

• Think About You - 14 Years - Dust N' Bones - Ain't The First - Pretty TiedUp = Not Happening without Izzy 
• So Fine-Get In The Ring-Breakdown-Shotgun BLues = B-sides, Not relevant enough.
• Right Next Door To Hell - Locomotive - Perfect Crime - Dead Horse etc. = Not happening 'cause Axl's voice.

I just don't see any other GnR song that can be played instead of Prostitute. And also 'as good'. I think You're Crazy, Perfect Crime, Slither and Down On The Farm may be happening sometimes soon anyway.

Perfect Crime was added as a backup song on the setlist when they toured Australia. Which tells me if its on the setlist paper , then the band have rehearsed and Axl can do it.

Having a look at the slane castle merch i really like the 4 shotgun/skull/bandanna shirt. I hope they make that design an official shirt and put on the website.

4 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

I'm just curious about something. Let's say, the next record that's released is CD II. And, let us say that Slash or Duff don't write any material for the record but Slash adds a few solos and rhythms, and Duff replaces the bass tracks and adds a backing vocal here and there. Both guys have went in, listened to the material, and helped decide on which songs make the record alongside Axl... is that considered a Guns record? 

4 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

I'm just curious about something. Let's say, the next record that's released is CD II. And, let us say that Slash or Duff don't write any material for the record but Slash adds a few solos and rhythms, and Duff replaces the bass tracks and adds a backing vocal here and there. Both guys have went in, listened to the material, and helped decide on which songs make the record alongside Axl... is that considered a Guns record? 

I understand what you are saying. My guess is it is a Guns N Roses record, however If duff and slash worked with Axl for CD my bet is there would be minimal keyboards, more guitars and possibly more rockier. If CD2 would be lots of keyboards and synths in it then it tells me that slash and duff have sold out because , and as slash has said he is against keyboards. He is on record saying he was against keyboards and synths on the illusions album but agreed to it to keep the band moving forward. If they allow that on CDII that's a different situation and tells me they both have sold out thewir original position of why they left the band in the first place.

12 hours ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

Sorry man but I actually disagree. Lots of people, maybe not the majority, are killing to hear deep cuts. NuGNR, while an unpopular era, is still Guns. Axl choose to still support the 2008 Guns album on this tour and Slash and Duff want to support that. If the band was playing the whole Chinese album nightly, I'd understand but 4 songs off of a band's most recent record is not harmful. Fans enjoy CD songs live and many have been picking up on the album since Slash toured in support of some of the songs. The set list is 60% Appetite and 25% Illusions anyways. I personally am glad Axl continues to play CD songs and it's apparent they make him happy. Slash and Duff are good friends for trying to help Axl with that. 

recent?, the album was 10 years ago . Since then there has been numerous lineup changes, with each member looking a clown and less people in attendance and less people showing any interest in the name "Guns N Roses". Axl would probably blame economics of people not attending the shows not coming to the conclusion that 90% of Guns fans could not give one fuck for CD. I don't know why Axl cant accept that the majority of the fans who are there want the illusions/lies/appetite deep cuts. Is the reality and he needs to deal with it. Hearing CD songs is not what I want to hear, there should be no more than 2 at least to keep him happy and im sure slash and duff would agree.After 10 years he still cant accept that NuGuns was never popular people, the majority of the fans don't hold up CD with high regard and the less played the better. CD was a solo record and an experiment that didn't work because the majority of people wernt interested in the material. Nothing wrong with that but it does tell you what the fans WANT to hear and to focus on those songs.

8 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

Yes. And Jason had to endure a lot when he joined the band after Cliff's death. They made him earn his spot and he was their whipping boy for years, having to suffer through all kinds of insults. They were total dicks to him, trying to get over Clifff's death and resenting him in Cliff's place, hence no bass on Justice for all.

I think Jason earned more credibility leaving then the type of album metallica released in 2004.

13 hours ago, GNRfan2008 said:

I thought part of the reason he quit was to get away from the stress of being in an extremely popular band? Club scene is a lot more laid back. Doubt he is jealous of the current GN'R tour. 

And im pretty sure he managed his money well with the amount of $$$$ he was earning with shitallica. The dude wasn't married or had any personal commitments so sure he managed his money well.

11 hours ago, Sunset Gardner said:

the first time i ever heard guns n' roses was in the early evening and a friend and i were in front of the tv, mtv was on and the video for sweet child of mine started… something fascinated me about them… the look… something dangerous that felt far outside of my little town.  then slash started the intro (that shot of him leaning back) and it was one of those moments you never forget.  the video and the song and THE FIVE of them were all magic to all of us, they were instant heroes.  i was really young, i think i was eight.  we glued ourselves to the tv waiting for the video to play again and actually ended up seeing the "wttj" video in the same night.  

a older kid down the street bought the album on cassette and i went down to his house everyday after school to listen to it over and over and over.  i wasn't tallowed to have it because of the cursing and drug/alcohol themes.   my mother and i laugh about it now.  she'd figured it out because i'd convinced her to get me the SCOM single and the B side was "it's so easy".

good times.  we all wanted to be izzy.   which is why this tour is kind of bullshit.  if keith richards isn't there… then it ain't The Stones.  if izzy ain't there… well then...

 

 

Right - fuckin -on !!!!!. I first heard guns back in the first of 88 when I was 13 on a music programme here is Australia called "Rage" (kind of an MTV equivalent). The first time I saw SCOM I was stunned, who the fuck was these badass looking guys wearing leather pants and smoking cigarettes in the clip with long hair and the huge Guns symbol behind Steven?, who the fuck was the guy with the top hat that couldn't see past his hair. There are some moments in ones life that changes you forever and that moment changed me. I then went and bought Appetite on cassette some days later, and was mesmerised. I listed to the each song and wondered about the recording process, where they all recording in the same room and looking at each other while playing. I knew then GNR were "MY" band - they were my heroes and as long as this band would inexistence I wanted to know all about them. And every magazine at the music stands, metal hammer, metal edge, even an Australian heavy metal magazine called "hot metal" had any interviews with the band I would read them. I still also have Use your illusion 1 and 2 on cassette and bought lies on vinyl when it first came out. Good fuckin times to be a teenager. I had the pl;easure of meeting steven adler back in 2007 or 2008 at a drum clinic in Sydney and said to him "thankyou".  He looked at me and I said thankyou for being part of an album that completely changed my life as a 13 year old back in 88 when I first heard appetite, because my life was never the same after that.

I certainly have read interviews that axl respects billy joel alot because axl likes the songwriting of elton john and billy joel