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39 minutes ago, GhostOfPride said:

the litho would be great if Steven 'Popcorn' Adler was sitting in tonight.

Can't wait to the moment where this farce of reunion tour is over. 

14 hours ago, Hollywood Gunner said:

freddie had some crazy talent but axl was much more versatile imo which imo makes him a better singer in his prime... most queen songs sound pretty much the same... gnr stuff on the other hand goes from dont cry to perfect crime

Not true. There is a range from bohemian rhapsody, princes of the universe, another one bites the dust, their major pop hits to Freddie's last album with very deep songs like show must go on and innuendo. 

My favorite song by Queen might be You don't fool me. Also different compared to their other pop songs. 

Freddie was more versatile. Pop, Opera, Rock, Disco, Piano. 

And he was an artist who wrote hits just til he died. Axl's last hit is as old as Freddie's death. 

Axl was just great for only 6-7 years. 

Come on...of course it's Freddie. Dude had even a great voice when he was sick. Dude was the brain of Queen. Roger and Brian lost creativity without Freddie. Freddie played a diva on stage, but was shy and cool in person. 

Axl reached him musically only in his prime. As a person... never. 

On 29.7.2017 at 10:49 PM, Lies They Tell said:

Yeah, I didn't mean to be rude in the first place. I prefer civil discussion. I just don't understand why some people act like they're so sure that Axl doesn't have any good reason to use the clean voice. Let's take YCBM for example. Axl struggled with that song already in his prime. Just take a look at this performance:

It's almost raspless and it's from 1993 for fucks sake. How on earth are people expecting him to sound better NOW? There's probably many reasons why YCBM is so much harder for Axl to sing than AC/DC songs and I probably don't know all the reasons cause I'm not an expert on these things. But there seems to be more variation between higher and lower notes on YCBM and there's more stretched vowels compared to the short bursts of vocals that's typical to most AC/DC songs. He's still singing this part with rasp: "While you're breakin' down my back n' I been rackin' out my brain It don't matter how we make it 'Cause it always ends the same You can push it for more mileage But your flaps are wearin' thin..." Probably because it's the right pitch for him and he can sing it with short screaming bursts of vocals.

If Axl was just purely lazy and didn't care at all, then wouldn't it make more sense that he'd sing the whole song without rasp? To me it seems like he's singing that part with rasp, that he feels he can comfortably sing with rasp without damaging his voice in the long run. Even the AC/DC shows weren't a rasp-fest from start to finish. And those were some of his most important gigs ever cause he had to prove Angus and the whole world that he can do it. So naturally he sang his ass off. But could he sing like that all the time on every AC/DC show from now on? I don't know. AC/DC songs do fit his voice better than most GNR songs, but those were also some of his most important shows, so it's possible that in the future we might see AC/DC shows with less rasp.

Some songs, like for example Nightrain are songs that Axl can sing with rasp every night pretty effortlessly without risking his voice. But some songs need more effort to sing with a raspy voice and singing those songs with rasp every night might even cause permanent damage to his voice. Well that's my theory anyway. I'm not saying that it's a fact, cause we don't know the truth. All I'm saying is that you don't know, if Axl could sing songs like YCBM with full rasp every night, for a fact either. There's a chance that he in fact has no other real choice than to use the clean voice that he is using currently.

If he would have this voice today I would be fine Axl 2017 is like a bad impersonator in so many songs. 

Come on...UYI was his prime. Even MJ and Lenny wanted him on their tracks. 

Weezer was actually a cool band with cool music videos like GnR was a cool band with cool music videos...

 NOW they are both cash grabbing and out of ideas. 

It's pretty realistic cause all 3 made enough money, Axl wants to join ACDC and NuGnR was always the worst in marketing. 

+ MSL said so years ago. 

Please, leave the band like Ashba did before. You are not Guns n Roses as long there are Izzy and Gilby available. 

45 minutes ago, ericy210 said:

Constructive criticism is usually healthy.

but repeated comments about Mickey voice, frank, not being as good as Axl/DC are just tired and unnecessary.  It's essentially trolling.

 

No. Guys who are accepting this status quo and buying tickets are mainly responsible for Frank and 4tus and no surprises in the setlist. 

We have done a lot of constructive criticism in the past... If Axl would communicate with the fans or mods and would be honest with them, no one of us would be pissed, but Axl is not only doing his own thing, he is ignoring the fans and former members. Celebrating an anniversary without a lot of guys who made it possible is just an asshole move. There is absolutely no excuse for a lot of Axl's decisions. 

4 hours ago, Nikki_Sixx said:

No.

No one can ever be too hard on Axl Rose.

He has single-handedly ruined the GNR legacy, now he has to live with the consequences.

Couldn't agree more. The list of wrong decisions by Axl Rose is endless. If some of you are supporting NuGnR, I'm fine, but still have in mind that Adler, Sorum and Izzy are pissed, Slash and Duff have a gag order. Axl is doing no fan service. The merchandise is bad. Axl's voice has problems. And he is doing a band birthday party, while some members who should and could be there are sitting pissed at home. 

Duff s and Slash's intentions were surely good, but they sold their soul joining NuGnR. 

23 minutes ago, SoNobodyToldYaBaby said:

Just curious, If you haven't liked Axls voice in 20 years and think the reunion is a farce why are you here? 

Just for entertainment. 

1 hour ago, gunsfanoldie said:

Its posts like that that make me remember not everyone drinks the kool aid and there are people that get the truly ridiculousness of this tour. That post couldn't be more accurate.

The biggest joke are fans who pay big money to see this farce... 

We will never get what we want from this squad. 

5 hours ago, Sosso said:

I wish that he would get rid of Myles. I don't like his voice.

Same with post 93 Axl's voice. 

1 hour ago, Dar97 said:

I imagine they didn't invite Steven because of the incident that happened last time, he said he felt really hurt when he saw Frank playing his songs and he got angry and started slagging Frank off

Steven is happy when he can just play 2 songs. As said before there is no excuse for not inviting him, Matt, etc. And as said many times before by other people: Axl is living in his own world. 

This anniversary shows the ridiculousness of W. Axl Rose. 

1 hour ago, scooby845 said:

I am absolutely for AFD5 but we gotta understand that GnR is the most abrasive band ever... it would collapse as fast as one can think...

Still... that line shouldn't have been crossed... At least a guest appearance!

But in retrospective there were only two things that killed GnR. Axl and drugs. And since Slash, Duff and Adler are clean,  only one destructive thing left: Axl. There is absolutely no reason for not doing a real reunion tour with all the main members from 86-93.

As I said before. Adler and Izzy are only a possibility if some millionaire will pay for them separately on a private gig. Both will never ever tour with Axl. Why? Because of Axl himself. Axl can't stand the vision of GnR where 4 of 5 members could speak up against him. 

No Adler, no Izzy. Mark my words.

Adler will never get another chance to play with Axl on tour after his last interviews. 

The only chance I see is a private high paid millionaire gig where they pay for Adler and Izzy separately. 

12 hours ago, Padme said:

It was Axl's address and phone number, but under Beta's name. After that it was shut down. Still the whole website was really lame to say the least. No news, no pictures, no videos, nothing, the forum was the only thing.

Almost nothing changed since then

Robin Finck sucked Marilyn Mansons dick. 

8 hours ago, ludurigan said:

"remember all the parts" has nothing to do with "understand how to play it correctly".

I can't find that particular interview anymore, but Slash told in my memory that the band needed some time to understand the song itself. I mean, come on, it's pretty obvious that it took a while for Axl and the band to fix the parts together. In contrary to CD they really recorded the whole song, while CD is just patch worked digital crap.

1 hour ago, ludurigan said:

the band "took a while to understand how to play it correctly"

what?

if i am reading correctly you are suggesting Axl told Izzy, Slash and Duff (and Matt) how to arrange and how to play Estranged?

i suppose there is zero evidence for that and I think Axl didnt have any hands on teaching or telling anyone how to do arrangements -- except telling Matt Sorum how to play drums, which was something Matt mentioned in a couple of interviews.

I would say (instead) that the band probably took a while to create a typical GNR rock n roll arrangement for Estranged and the other Axl piano ballads. Which is very understandable since Izzy, Slash and Duff likely had never played that kind of music before and by all accounts none of them even listened or liked that type of music.

Given all that, Izzy, Slash, Duff (and Matt?) likely created this very simple yet very effective (moving, really) three-chord arrangements that not only fit the lyrics and the mood of the song but also enhance it and give edge to it, increasing the dramatics of the song

all the while preventing it to become a sterile piano ballad with boring arrangements like, for example, 99% of the hair-metal bands ballads

If you go a bit further and take one fast listen to the Axl solo album, it gets even more obvious how brilliant are the arrangements to Estranged (and November Rain etc) on the Illusions. Here you get the same "starting point" (an Axl piano ballad) in songs like Madagascar and The Blues. But the final results are very different. Apparently there was no one among the god-knows-how-many guitar players and keyboard players and producers of Chinese Democracy that was capable of creating the same type of GNR-rocking (again, very simple) three-chord arrangements or any other type of arrangements to make Axl songs sound and feel good.

You listen to Estranged and you notice how (simple and) brilliant Izzy, Slash, Duff (and Matt) are.

You listen to the Axl solo album piano ballads and you notice how they are sorely missed.

and besides the brilliant yet simple arrangements, you also get Slash solos on Estranged. but there is not much sense in compair perfection to whatever solos we find on Axl solo ballads -- that would be too much of a cowardice to do so, wouldnt it?

Slash told several times that the band had to work very hard to remember all the  different parts in estranged. So for me it sounds like it took a while for them to understand the song in its entirety. I also needed a few times to realize the perfection of estranged.  

Estranged is GnR's Stairway to heaven. Most complex song they did. It's melodic but you can hear that the band took a while to understand how they had to play it correctly. 

It's solid, I would prefer a lot more songs to be that smooth. Axl's deep voice is almost the same as in his prime. But his high voice is mickey, mickey, mickey

17 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Quid pro quo as Slash now plays 'Sorry'. Axl should sing 'Crucify the Dead'.

The should simply re-record a best of Slash / VR album with Axl, Gilby, Matt, Steven, Gilby, Adler and Duff.