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6 hours ago, RussTCB said:

I think people mistake honesty for negativity. 

Many of my posts could probably be viewed as negative. They're not negative for the sake of being negative though. They're just honest. I don't hold back my honest opinion just because others may see it as negative. 

Having said that, I'm happy as hell for those who haven't seen this tour yet and will get their chance this summer. 

Til 2008 the mods on mygnr, jarmos board and the german fan board were like a police state. Criticism and hate about NuGnR were not allowed. Since 2008 it got better. We're not hating, we're just comparing GnR with the GnR between 86-93. And the only GnR which is acceptable for me is a GnR with band members from that era. Even if they would suck, which is not the case (Adler did a great job in his reunion performances), I would be fine. Cause these guys are the real deal. NuGnR failed. And Axl was the main reason for this debacle. 

The Checkmate /Jackie Chan leak sounds more NuGnR than Slash/Duff/Axl/Matt. 

On 20.4.2017 at 8:28 PM, Gordon Comstock said:

Buckethead, and Brain, because they're leagues above the rest.

Brain is one of the worst drummers GnR could take. He has absolutely nothing to do with rock n' roll music.

Gilby and Matt did a perfect job.

The rest of them were good in terms of being musicians. But they failed to be GnR members. Even Axl failed being a GnR member since 1994.

NuGnR was an interesting project. But calling it GnR was a curse. 

12 minutes ago, tsinindy said:

Welp he rehearsed with AC/DC and that went pretty well....why do people support Axl on this?  I don't understand it.   Without fail he sounds like shit at the beginning at the beginning of a tour or a leg of a tour after time off.

he didn't with AC/DC though...why?  He rehearsed and for prepared like a fucking professional.  So it's just bullshit excuses otherwise.

Somehow I can understand Axl. You're simply bored to do rehearsals of the same songs over and over again. It's one of only a few things where I accept Axl's attitude. The fact that he stayed away from a lot album recordings is bad. Especially the CD recordings. He spent 13 million dollars for recordings where he wasn't really directing. 

 next year its axl's 25th "i'm not giving you what you want" anniversary  he knows how to please GnR fans. 

in europe the audiences should make a lot of "where's izzy?" "where's gilby?" "where's steven?" and "where's matt?" banners just to piss him off.

25 minutes ago, Fourteenbeers said:

I have to agree....

 

 

come on...axl's comment was much better: 

reporter: "so, what was the reason for this reunion?"

axl: "well it was actually the promoter of coachella."

translated it means: "well, it was the amount of money which changed my mind"

2 hours ago, Mendez said:

Fortus inadvertently suggests that Frank sucks

and he says that he didn't like GnR stuff actually. He and Frank are simply not GnR. I have nothing against these guys, but you can simply hear that they are not 100% into the real GnR sound. 

4tus: "Its's the most healthy incarnation of GnR". Yeah, drug free.

Their best intros are the live intros from the UYI tour

Only women bleed

Sail away sweet sister

Voodoo Child

Mother

Wild horses

Best intros I've ever heard in rock. 

38 minutes ago, Top-Hatted One said:

Coke and heroin especially combined in the form of speed elicit the occult and conjures the devil. Dave Mustaine and Nikki Six wrote about these experiences during the recording of Peace Sells and Shout at the devil. Slash went through similar feelings in his darkest days too if I recall 

+ they might have taken meth. i remember this story of a guy who ate out the face of a homeless man. drugs can open the hell's door. its still no excuse for being violent.

btw. here are 2 statements. i didn't even know patti tate already died in 2000.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZIz40MVUGI

and here is a ridiculous one. patti tate is sitting next to these two people...

12 hours ago, Sprite said:

I'm not sure where this went. All things aside I thought it was a nice song and an interesting little factoid. At a certain point I'm empathetic to Manson in spite of anything that happened. The fear Manson can still generate almost 50 years later is amazing. If you watch his interviews, he's more like a rambling Buddhist monk influenced by beatnik poetry of the 50s. For a caveman to think use brain to compute is a no no too difficult. Much easier to read have an opinion with only headlines for sure.

Trent reznor felt the guilt? Give me a break, he felt he guilt of his own consciousness in that house. Manson did not nor was accused of killing those people. You can keep the boogie man thing going and he turned them on with "dope and sex". At what point does individual responsibility come in honestly? Have you ever smoked pot or done acid? I could just as easily say those might scare you away from violence. The prosecution said it drove them too it. 48 years later pot is legal in California. But it drove the crime of the century in the 60s? Those people did what they did for themselves. There are so many misconceptions it's impossible to even try to explain. Manson might be the most interesting historical figure for me. The only regular man to be convicted of having the power of the presidency or dictator. Which is the ability to send people to kill for him. Hitler, Bin Laden, Manson, Bush, Obama, what's the difference?  

The tough thing with Manson is like with any other conspiracy theory. If I tell you Oswald didn't kill JFK, our minds instantly go cover up. The ying yang of the minds judgement. It's not always that simple. Manson isn't entirely innocent in the sense of the American justice or law. He shot a guy, cut another's ear, not off, but helped tape it up, lol. But you've got to view it from the street view. His perspective of no family, his upbringing in a prison as a kid because no adult was there to sign his release to their custody. We can talk recidivism rates of normal people and if I say "well, a lot of people charged with crimes say that crime gravitates to them after." That's why 60% of people arrested are back in jail within a year or something like that. I think when you live on the street, you live on the street. It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from going under. The people he did do stuff to also were not innocent, one was an FBI informant who was killed later by mansons friend bobby beausole, the other he shot had kidnapped susan Atkins I think it was over a drug debt. Manson gave him a chance and he didn't take it. The guy also never went to the cops because it was all drug related. This entire case is drug trade related, visa vi the rich people killed. Manson represents the part of us that we don't want to talk about because we know the potential is there. The question should become is it ethical,in the era of social justice, to house a guy who by the states admission did not kill, nor was even present at the crime scene, in a solitary cell for 50 years. There is actually a California conspiracy statute that says if you weren't at the crime scene, they can only keep you 18 years. It's all politics at this point. It's bought and sold. Which brings back the original point of did axl/geffen, willingly or not, help improve his quality of life if there is such a thing by covering that song and paying off an impossible relief fund. I think that's noble.

The thing about the baby being ripped out of her body didn't happen either but you'd have to ask Susan Adkins and Charles "tex" Watson about that. Here is a mind fuck... the guy who actually stuck the knife and killed all the people is a reformed prison preacher appearing on the 700 club. The guy who was in San Diego the first night, and not at the house the 2nd night, is in solitary confinement. Just think about that. Really think.  I'll throw you a bone and say ok, Manson had them do it. So it's possible for Tex to be reformed, have kids and a wife in prison, sell books, appear on Jesus shows, but no redemption possible for the guy who said "go do it." Hmmm. we each believe what we want to so if you need a boogie man to help you feel more secure he's a great one. Here's an interesting thing to look up, the sex tape of roman Polanski and Sharon Tate having a bisexual 3some with another guy. And the drug trade that was running out of that house....... No one is as innocent or as guilty as we think.

dude, what are you talking about? how can you even take manson seriously? he is insane and sick. he has a swastika in his face, is talking like the devil, has the evil in his eyes, because he has probably a brain disorder. how he did recrute the girls? well...lets face it, america had a lot of sects in the past. i don't see much differences between the manson family and scientology, wacko, etc...everyone with a narcisstic ego, high sexual drive and no bad concious could do that before the internet. there are women out there who are fascinated by the evil. thats why marilyn manson for example had sex with some beautiful women. 

almost everyone of us has collected sins in his live. tate and polanski were/are no angels for sure. but was there a reason to kill them? no.  

4 hours ago, fanfzero said:

If Axl drinks that he would probably start singing out of tune, so not the best choice 

Just imagine a fan throwing an Ashbawater bottle to Axl during a show, it would be hilarious

i'm gonna piss in a bottle, write 'w.a.r tequila' on it and throw it in axl's face.

swasiland.

i go with southern rock songs like civil war, kohd, lies. guns n' roses was like lynyrd skynyrd 2.0

but they were also masters of epic rock balads like scom, don't cry, november rain, estranged.

afd (with punk hair metal) is still their best album. 

its really impressive that they combined that many styles. 

the industrial era is still sth that has absolutely nothing to do with the real GnR sound. instead of that they missed to do a mtv unplugged concert between 1991 and 1994. And their musical catalogue should have been continued with VR songs like set me free, slither and fall to pieces. you can obviously hear that these were actually GnR songs.

1 hour ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

The only talent Manson had was to sucker stupid people into his cult.

It's amazing how many people believed his bullshit.

Axl was a child in the 60's so how could he have helped Manson and once he was in jail for murder I would have hoped Axl wasn't that stupid and naïve to believe this killer had any musically talent at all. The man couldn't even spell correctly.

My mother lived through this time. Manson was pure evil and those women who killed for him were evil too. Sick, sick, sick bastards.

Anyone who kills a woman and her unborn baby deserve a special place in HELL.

That NIN Gave up music video with Marilyn Manson was filmed in the Tate house. Here's a smart statement by Trent. Sad that Axl didn't had this perspective back then. 

Reznor explained his experience with the house in the March 6, 1997 issue of Rolling Stone

7 minutes ago, 2414225 said:

My awakening about all that stuff came from meeting Sharon Tate's sister. While I was working on Downward Spiral, I was living in the house where Sharon Tate was killed. Then one day I met her sister. It was a random thing, just a brief encounter. And she said: "Are you exploiting my sister's death by living in her house?" For the first time the whole thing kind of slapped me in the face. I said, "No, it's just sort of my own interest in American folklore. I'm in this place where a weird part of history occurred." I guess it never really struck me before, but it did then. She lost her sister from a senseless, ignorant situation that I don't want to support. When she was talking to me, I realized for the first time, "What if it was my sister?" I thought, "Fuck Charlie Manson." I don't want to be looked at as a guy who supports serial-killer bullshit.

I went home and cried that night. It made me see there's another side to things, you know? It's one thing to go around with your dick swinging in the wind, acting like it doesn't matter. But when you understand the repercussions that are felt ... that's what sobered me up: realizing that what balances out the appeal of the lawlessness and the lack of morality and that whole thing is the other end of it, the victims who don't deserve that.

Trent Reznor has told Q that supporting Guns'N'Roses were the worst shows Nine Inch Nails ever played.

Speaking in the Q Interview in our brand new issue - Q308 out now - about his life, his soundtrack work on The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, his demons and more, Reznor singles out the 1991 shows with Axl Rose and co as a nadir.

"It was only a couple of show and they were some of the worst performances we [Nine Inch Nails] ever had in front of the most hostile, moronic audiences I've ever experienced," he recalled.

"They were there to rock; what they didn't want was some homo-looking dudes playing noisy synths and they made that very clear to us.

"Our first show was in Mannheim, Germay. There were thousands of people standing there going [raises middle finger] and there were bits of sausage on the stage. I've tried to block it out."

_____

LARS ULRICH: I remember late one night Axl was sitting there telling me about this band called Nine Inch Nails: He was saying, "This is the coolest thing I've ever heard:" And we were all sitting there going, "What the fuck are you talking about?" He had Nine Inch Nails support Guns N' Roses in Europe, and I remember hearing how they got booed off the stage. But he was there when the rest of us were still listening to fucking Judas Priest.

___

It will be always a mystery why Axl just didn't freeze GnR after 1993 and started an industrial soloband. Just because the brand 'Guns n' Roses' sells better? 

The name 'Axl Rose' had the same popularity as 'Guns n' Roses'. 

But as said before... i can't take Axl seriously. Dude is living in his own world. 

You guys shouldn't take Axl that serious. Dude said and did so many controversial things. Just take the Slash is a cancer thing as example for his twisted mind. 

I don't get the Charles Manson glorification in general. Charles is a psychopath with a swastika on his face. Was Axl the 1st rock star who paid Manson tribute? NIN recorded an album in the Polanski Tate house and then Marylin Manson took the house door for his recording studio if I remember it correctly. 

Back in the day I read a bit about the Tate murdering. Just the fact that they murdered a pregnant woman is so disgusting...and the pic of Polanski next to the bloody door is maybe the most disturbing pic I have ever see. And I have seen a lot of weird stuff in the WWW. You should not look up pics from this scenario in general. 

Charles Manson and his clan are a simple disgrace and I blame Axl for giving them publicity. 

The fact that Axl meet Marylin Manson in 1992 is funny. For which GnR video did he consider Marylin? 

Don't get the poll. GnR's real considered direction after 1993 was the Snakepit and VRs sound. 

The NuGnR sound was just Axl's sound. 

GnR should have continue the Lynyrd Skynyrd sound like in Civil War and Kohd. And combine that with the sound of VR. 

On 30.4.2017 at 9:26 PM, RONIN said:

Unpopular with fans would be the best definition to use here. With that definition we could say stuff like My World, Sympathy for the Devil, Get in The Ring, etc.

My World is like Pandora's Box. In 1991 no one considered this track as Axl's new vision of GnR. The biggest forums on the net are co-responsible that NuGnR even last that long... 

Sympathy for the devil is good, but it already crossed the thin line of GnR tracks being overproduced. The fact that Slash hates this song and calls it 'the sound of GnR splitting up' is not a good sign. 

define unpopular. if unpopular means that there was no single and music video out there, then nightrain, civil war and one in a million were songs that would have been hits if they did music videos. 

estranged f.ex. is one of gnrs best pieces. musically brilliant + their most expensive music video. but the song is too complex for non-gnr-fans. 

when it comes to live stuff: slash's UYI intros are underrated.

when it comes to gnr related stuff: always on the run by lenny kravitz is a song that was actually a gnr song, but it was too funky for axl.

The guys who produced UYI and VRs first album did a great job. Slash production value is good enough as well. Simply no Axl experiments. But without Adler, Izzy, Gilby and Matt it won't have the unique GnR sound. So what. 

Still waiting for some dolphins and Slash coming out of the red water and playing a bad ass solo. 

were slither, set me free and fall to pieces songs for the GNR album in 1996? Is there still unreleased stuff from that era (1992-1996)?

12 hours ago, Rovim said:

This I Love is practically old Guns. Slash made it sound more Gn'R, but it's still what it is. You're not gonna magically think the lyrics are cool or the tunes themselves all of a sudden are better if you didn't like it before Slash returned.

But I think Axl takes into consideration what a Guns album with Slash and Duff "needs" to be. I'd say we're looking at some CD ll cuts making it, but the rest will be older or newer material. Unless it's a double or a trilogy, that could change things.

 

With Frank and 4tus it still won't have a real gnr sound...

Unfortunately we will never get stuff like this with Axl

Watch this

Fall to pieces

Slither

Set me free

Cure me or kill me

I even doubt that there will be a new album. 

Please, no more CD content...it still has nothing to do with GnR. Even Slash can't fix the vibe of it. 

Brian May did a great job on CITR, but it's just an Axl song. Slither is more GnR than any song on CD.