James Bond

The only songs I really don't care for on UYI I are Back Off Bitch (absolutely killer solo though) and I've never bonded with The Garden for whatever reason.

With UYI II there's more I don't like (Shotgun Blues, Get In The Ring, Breakdown, So Fine, and My World) but the rest of the album I probably like as a whole more than UYI I.

Not that I think Breakdown is a bad song or anything - I've just never got on with it for whatever reason. Shotgun Blues and Get In The Ring just feel so thoroughly average to me.

Without Frank Ferrer, there would be no more Guns N' Roses.

9 hours ago, Live Like a Suicide said:

Apparently they didn't even do Mr Brownstone in Singapore, so unlikely lol.

Imagine going to a Guns N' Roses concert where you get treated to The Seeker and Wichita Lineman while they omit Mr. Brownstone.

45 minutes ago, Shacklermyrye said:

 

This gig shows a band exited to play new songs, not worn down by years of touring and playing the same set list every night. At point's it feels like it could fall apart a bit, like the unsure looks to each other near the end of You ain't the first which I read as "shit when does this tune finish again? it somehow still works. 

I think it works not because its a slick production of a show, but rather because it isn't. The rough edges are there and the gig is better for it. The chemistry is clear.

Maybe this show works better in retrospect in the sense that watching this gig now as apposed to VHS in 1991 we now have the burden of insight.  There are people on stage there who were estranged for years after this, bitter words hurled back and forth but maybe it's that knowledge that makes me feel happier to see them as they are in this show. Different people perhaps yet soldiers on the same side.

These are UYI songs without the bells and whistles, no backup singers and no brass band, and without all that extra stuff the songs still stand strong.

 

I agree with your first paragraph especially. It's cool to see them exchange looks all throughout the show between the jams and endings. Sometimes I swear Izzy is struggling to remember the arrangements of some of the newer songs but he just strums along being the badass that he is. Patience is a great example where for half the intro they are all off time with one another but exchange those looks and bring it all back together.

I absolutely love it. Raw rock and roll at its finest. The band at a very unique point in time.

21 minutes ago, Spiritual_Chaos said:

Interviewer: So, how's the new Ant-Man movie going Paul Rudd?

Paul Rudd: Great. We're filming right now.

Interview: No, actually, you are recording. You are using the Arri Alexa. It's a videocamera. You are not filming. Please Paul Rudd, stop with the misinformation.


(you can use the term filming/been filmed without linking it to 8/16/35/65mm film. It's not a problem unless you make it one. As in "Too bad Pearl Jam filmed the Madison Square Garden show in 2003 in SD on Sony DSR-WS 500 cameras and didn't have Martin Scorcese shoot it on 35)

Saying something was filmed and could be released officially =/= something having been filmed on 35mm and could be released officially. 
 

I agree. While initially the debate was over whether or not other shows from the tour could get the 4K scan treatment, I think ultimately it has dwindled into a battle of semantics. I think what most posters mean is just simply "let's release the rest of the shows that are available for use."

10 minutes ago, Steve J from UK GUNS said:

Well mixed, honestly?? I think the mixing is awful on both shows. I've got bootlegs that sound better! Slash's guitar tone in the November Rain outtro from Vegas - WTF!! I can't believe he allowed that to be released. Goes to show he probably didn't bother listening to it all the way through before approval. Plus it appears to be mixed to match their current live sound with the drums really low in the mix. It's missing that thunderous beat that was such a huge part of their UYI-era live sound. It's a real shame as I agree, the performances are better (generally) than Live Era (the ones that aren't also ON Live Era, that is!) - and Axl's voice is great - but the audio mix is a poor comparison.

On the choice of shows, I've got a theory that both of these had already been mixed a long time ago. Slash mentions during the gig that the Ritz show will be broadcast on TV so I reckon that was the plan, but it was pulled for some reason. Similarly, I suspect Vegas was intended to be the live album release Axl talked about during the tour. The fact that they put out Yesterdays from it as a B-Side suggests it had probably been prepared as such. 

To each their own. I think the Ritz in particular sounds fantastic. Duff's bass is nice and thumpy in the mix and there's a lot more clarity than the rather dark sounding production of Live Era. Every instrument breathes more. Sure, maybe Slash is too loud but that just seems to be the nature of the UYI tour in general. It's even that way on audience bootlegs.

My point was that the release as a whole wasn't as half assed as I expected it to be. I can genuinely see me listening to it again and again which was not the case with the Appetite box which has been collecting dust since 2018.

Vegas sounds infinitely better to my ears than Live Era. I've already listened to it three or four times. If it's not your preference then who am I to tell you otherwise, but I personally dig it.

3 minutes ago, TheSlashrose said:

Someone says that Izzy uses wha-wha pedal ? 

He does on a couple of songs - mostly noticeably on Estranged. Skip to the final "I knew the storm was getting closer..." or whatever and listen in the left channel. Gives it some Hendrix vibes.

There's definitely a sense of urgency and groove to the stripped down versions that perhaps got lost in translation with the high production. I find Matt especially feels less stiff here. There's an undeniable chemistry between him, Slash, and Duff and they all play off each other so well.

2 minutes ago, Nasty Bronchitis said:

Second time i have seen and listened Izzy playing a wah pedal.

 

Makes that bit of Estranged sound very "All Along The Watchtower" which I thought was really cool.

Love the spontaneity of the show.

Does anybody else know if there were other gigs where they went soft on the outro of Paradise City like that? It sounds great that way. Really effective for putting it mid set like that.

I love how the end credits of the Ritz Blu-ray credit Duff with "additional drum on Drum Solo."

Man. Who's dick did Matt suck to get so much Drum Solo attention on this box set?

27 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

Now that I watched the Blu-ray and can read Axl’s lips I’m pretty sure at the end of the bridge of YCBM he says “listen to me babe, you’re about to suck the dick.”

I have the same thing written in my Tinder bio.

I might be in the minority of the fandom in that I love the excess of the 1992 shows with the horns and singers, but my goodness is the Ritz show magical. Raw rock and roll as it should be. Incidentally that might be my favourite version of Live And Let Die.

I don't think the lack of a click track would matter for minor fixes, but I agree that for entire sections (like the entire solo) that it would get tricky. Easier to re-record. But then it's true that Slash's tone is indeed very consistent on the release versus Axl's re-recorded vocals, so who really knows.

This makes me more inclined to think that, instrumentally, entire sections (guitars, bass, drums) were lifted from other performances and pasted and blended in. That could be the case for Nightrain. From the main solo onwards on Live Era it's possible we aren't listening to Vegas at all. It would be fun to start doing some detective work and side by side comparisons.

They very cleanly shortened the Rocket Queen intro on Live Era (it was quite the revelation to hear how much longer it was for real), so who is to say they didn't do the same for other tracks by essentially mixing performances.

I've seen few times where old shows shot on tape get released as "Standard Definition Blu-ray" (the Freddie Mercury Tribute Blu-ray comes to mind), and even at that the quality is perfectly acceptable. As long as it's cleaned up enough I see no reason why they couldn't give us the "Kissology" of Guns N' Roses.

5 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

Ashba and Stinson and all them are up there

Steven? I don't see him

My bad - I thought you meant Izzy.

Steven should replace Ashba on the banner. 

1 hour ago, Tom-Ass said:

The management here won't even put him on the damn banner.  drives me crazy

He's on the forum banner, unless you meant how Guns N' Roses management doesn't use him in any of the marketing of the legacy material.

15 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

Wasn't it only an Atmos mix? Not an actual remix? It seems like NR was the only one that was actually "remixed" because it had to be due to the orchestra.

That's what I mean - by default, November Rain is the standout track since it's the only remix. The others don't really seem all that different under general listening. I would have loved to have heard the rejected remixes for all the tracks for something different.

It does seem to make November Rain really standout as a result against the other songs. I really wish that, in addition to the remastered tunes, that all the remixed ones were included alongside them.

I've decided I'll cave around the $200 mark for the CD Super Deluxe here in maple land. 

How fuckin' good does Drum Solo sound? The bass drum just pumps on the remaster. Best tracks on the release.

24 minutes ago, hollywood_democracy said:

Nightrain isn't identical, musically. Listen to Slash's opening chord, it's different. He does a couple quick palm mutes on Live Era, but it's not here. 

Also, Dust N' Bones is interesting. Axl's vocals were removed from Live Era, and now they're back. 

And Paradise City was messed with. It's not new 1999 vocals like on Rocket Queen or Nightrain, but they don't match. Maybe they used some vocals verses from other versions and patched them in here. 

I know a lot of people don't like Live Era, but I do. Axl's re-dubbed vocals are awesome. Is it a legit live show? No way. But it's kind of like Axl's re-recorded AFD that never came out. I'll still listen to it

Good catch on Dust N' Bones (I haven't listened to the full Ritz show yet). In years past I always assumed that Axl had left the stage or something and that's why his vocals weren't there, but it would seem that that wasn't the case at all.