Naupis

sorry for my ignorance but does anyone see Slashs name there? What is he doing to help? Saying he would like o do something?

According to Slash a few days ago he is trying to organize a large benefit concert for Haiti relief funds. This was his most recent tweet on the subject:

I've got a few things in the works dedicated to Haiti Relief, but make $ donations, they need help asap.

When you look at the big names he was able to pull in for a little charity like the LAYN concert he organized in November, I would be willing to bet he can pull an awesome concert together if he is serious about doing it as everyone is looking to pitch in in some fashion. The roster of names alone on his solo record shows he has reached that respected elder statesman of rock status where if he comes calling with a serious offer on doing a show for charity he will get some big names to show up. I hope he follows through and does it because it would be awesome.

Is it true that the record company won't finance the new G N' R album? I don't think so.

They already have financed it, and it exists with all that unreleased material.

On what planet do you think they would give him another million/couple million to record another album when they have one ready to release? It would be a big waste of money on their end.

They just have to record an album with the current line up and release it as soon as possible.

It makes sense, but financially it is not going to be realistic most likely unless Axl plans on paying for all of the recording costs out of his pocket again. Not likely.

If there is enough material recorded to release an album presently, there is less than a 0% chance the record label is going to advance Axl a bunch of money to record an album with the new guys when they have an albums worth of stuff that cost them nothing.

The Best Buy deal was a disaster for Best Buy, so the label knows they will get nothing from retailers this time around for any exclusive GNR releases.

Follow the money. They can release a follow-up album with little to no overhead cost, or they can commission Axl with a bunch of money for God knows how long to record an album that would never be incrementally more profitable for the label than just releasing what they have now.

Not to mention Axl eliminated any smidge of goodwill he might have had with the label and future retailers because of the stunt he pulled with the CD release of refusing to promote the album.

In a perfect world the new band could record their own album, but the world is not perfect and the finances of it just don't make it a prudent choice for the label. It might be good for Axl, but not the record company.

The bottom line is Axl could've had his revenge. Everything went his way. He successfully ousted all the old members and kept his huge brand name, he got Geffen to fund his new band to the tune of $13,000,000, and he was able to hire world class talent to fill out his new lineup. And he had ten years to put it all together. What did he accomplish with all of that? Maybe I can understand a little bit why he is so damn bitter. The man needs to lighten up and not try so hard. The making of the album was a nightmare, as I believe he called it, only because he made sure it was.

Very well said.

management not having any faith in him.

Axl would have no faith in Axl if he were management after the way he has operated the past decade.

What's next ? Will Slash's fans have to wear a yellow star of David ?

No, everyone will have to wear a Scarlet Letter "S" as a symbol of the sin they have committed.

Maybe Axl is starting a trend for other franchise owners.

Maybe the sporting world will pick up, and there will be special people designated outside arenas to make sure that no one tries to enter wearing the jersey of a player who has retired from, been cut by or traded away from the team. After all, if they are no longer with the team they clearly are not part of the legacy anymore so have absolutely no place being seen in the arena.

I say this in jest, but can everyone imagine how absurd such a thing would be? Yet there are some on this board who advocate this is a good thing. Makes you wonder sometimes.

If you're not a fan of the new band, only the old band, why do you post in this section as opposed to restricting your posts to the "Original GN'R" section? After all this is a fan forum.

Ali

I am an Axl Rose fan, I have seen the new band live a bunch of times, drove all the way to NY to goto the Hammerstein in 06, bought his album.

Just because I was disappointed in it, or indifferent to whoever he happens to be employing at the time does not make me a non-fan.

I don't buy into the Jarmo idea of classifying fans or non-fans based on their adherence to North Korea style commitment to advance propaganda at all costs and speak no ill of Axl no matter how much it is deserved.

Sorry this is so anger-filled.

I just get tired of the slash-lovers on this forum who do nothing but bad-mouth Axl and Chinese Democracy. I guess I was raised to take action about things. If I don't like a band, a band member, or an album - I don't spend my life on internet forums badmouthing it/them. I choose to go to forums of bands that I enjoy. It amazes me that slash-lovers, axl-haters spend time on this forum. Makes no sense to me at all.

Why do you insist on punishing yourself by coming to this forum? HTGTH is everything you are looking for in a fan forum in that it has a North Korea style information control where no dissenting opinion is tolerated, and anything even slightly unfavorable to the band is never spoken of at the threat of banishment.

Instead of complaining about this place, why don't you make that your exclusive home as that is clearly far closer to your idea of a fan forum than this place.

It gives me a case of crazy head that you guys are all automatically assuming this is Axl's doing. Why does it have to be his word against everyone else's?

This is totally in line with the type of behavior we would expect out of him. After all, he is the same guy who essentially bankrolls the webmaster at a popular Guns message board in exchange for totalitarian style censorship to create the propaganda world he wishes he could implement every where.

Fucking dead audience.

Maybe they were tired. It was a week day night and the show didn't start until roughly 10:45 and went until after 1am. Assuming those people got up and went to work that day, I would bet many people had been up since 6-7 A.M and were probably dragging.

When you start shows at that time during the week when people are working, you have to know that the possibility of the crowd being dead comes with the territory.

Axl looks terrible in that pic...

He badly needs to hire a stylist, because some of these pics he looks awful. The bandana is starting to resemble the one Brett Michaels has glued to his head that just looks awful.

It is sad he has chosen to go down the Vince Neil/Janie Lane road of front men who let themselves go physically.

It is not an age issue at all, because you look at Cornell, Bon Jovi, Weiland, Vedder, Roth, Springsteen or a Billy Idol and every one of those guys is within 5 years or older than Axl and they don't appear to have aged nearly as bad or let themselves go the way he has.

For as good as anybody thinks he sounds now, if he got serious about getting in the gym and getting his ass in gear he would sound even better.

10:45 is early for Axl.

I have long been an advocate of the fact they should advertise the shows as starting at 10:00 at the earliest, so people have an idea before hand they won't be getting out of there until at least 1 am. That will weed out the people who won't go because of the time from bringing down or subduing the crowd around them, as well as keeping people from getting aggitated that the band is no where to be found around the more traditional starting time of 8-9.

When you print 8 PM on the ticket, and the band doesn't come out until often 11 (early for Axl) people not in the know who don't go to message boards are completely unaware, and it might lead to some of the dullness Tommy was commenting on.

I don't think it's cool to diss the crowd, sorry. These people payed good money to see this band and hear the music. Not to be told that they are 'lame and boring'.

Maybe starting the show at 10:45 or so on a Wednesday night put some of the grown-ups that had jobs to goto in the morning or baby sitters they were going to have to pay extra for in a grumpy mood.

Not everyone goes to the shows knowing they will start that late, so maybe people were just tired after a long day at work. It is entirely possible, and comes with the territory of playing shows at that time.

Ok, so The Gauntlet sits on the facts. They're also assuming.

Expect to see a whole lot of that when other places pick the tweets up.

"Can I hit u back? I'm getting my dick sucked." Who checks their texts when their getting their dick sucked anyway?

That was a response someone did to him. He was commenting on how retarded it was that someone would be texting during a BJ, as some people seem to have read it wrong. Slash was not getting a BJ, but who ever he was trying to text was.

No, not the point. He never said WHO was starting the reunion rumors. Just that they were started. Axl never accused Slash of starting the rumors, yet for some reason everyone assumes that's who he meant.

You're right. It is probably totally coincidence that Axl tweets about people using the Haiti crisis as a means to spread reunion rumors not long after Slash, a former GNR member, announces his intentions to organize a benefit concert. All this in the context of there being exactly zero other media rumors of a GNR reunion of any kind (not to mention Slash has been making the rounds talking about how there won't be a GNR reunion).

Someone should let Axl in on the fact that it was only 6 weeks ago Slash held his last benefit concert (the LAYN one) for charity for a cause he supported.

It is not like this is totally out of character for Slash to do as he has done plenty of charity whoring (using your celebrity to help others is good) in the past.

You do have to wonder in what type of warp universe the red head lives in if some how Slash tweeting his intention to organize a benefit concert turned into his quest to stage a massive reunion. The paranoia is amazing, and it is not hard to see how the guy doesn't function normally if he twisted a simple unrelated comment like that into a some big exploitive conspiracy as his tweet implied.

The record label owns everything he recorded during the CD period, so even if he got dropped or decided never to release a proper album again it is not like he could just put all that stuff on the internet for fans to download.

He also said that the package, in terms of the album, is delivered, in how view, when there is a tour behind it and promotion such as videos and singles are released.

At this point then it is time to abort that plan, because the album is dead. There are going to be no more singles. The first 2 couldn't get a lick of airplay, yet 14 months later a new single is going to magically take hold? Not going to happen.

The problem with Axl and his handlers is you can't create a HTGTH world of pretend in the real world. Just wishing it would be doesn't make it so.

He waited too long to show any interest in this album after it was released to ever hope to do anything constructive with it. That is reality.

Whether it is the first CD tour with the album out or not is irrelevant, because having been on 2 CD tours already he watered down the impact a CD tour would have as touring on the album name and playing half of it live to most people constitutes a tour in support of the album.

Pretending those tours didn't happen doesn't erase them, and outside of a few songs on the normal set list (not that one marathon show) people have already pretty much seen the same CD show in 06.

It is this same naivete that saw them release a pair of singles last year (one that had been played live 7 years earlier) and the other that had been circulating around the net for 2.5 years in almost identical final form (the Better leak) and pretending that it wasn't going to have an impact on their success as singles.

They weren't official releases, but it doesn't mean that people hadn't already heard them in many cases. Just slapping the "official" label on them didn't change a thing. They were still old songs that weren't fresh and weren't generating excitement.

Much the same way this tour is just a retread of the same 06 tour, and is not going to generate the type of excitement in markets they hit in 06 as it would with a new album of songs that they hadn't spent a ton of time playing live with a new single on the radio people actually cared about.

I kinda wish people would stop talking about the second album, they only just started touring the first one.

They already toured this album before it came out. Hell, they played half of it live on the 06 tour. That is why people aren't frothing at the mouth for another CD tour, and would prefer instead some new material that in some cases has not been played live for 9 years already.

The "they just started touring this album" contingent fails to acknowledge that reality. It is not like they just released a new album last year with 14 brand new songs that had never been played/heard before.

Metallica's Death Magnetic at #61? how is it possible that Chinese Democracy sold more than them this year, does anyone have any figure numbers?

DM came out much earlier in 2008 than CD did, and sold a good majority of its albums then.

CD had only 5 weeks worth of album sales in 2008, so it was essentially an 09 album.

That is the first time I have heard one of the boots of TIL that was posted above. Is it just me, or does anyone else think it sounds like a big mess on the whole. The solo sounds all herky jerky like DJ barely ever practiced it or he is just bad at it. Maybe its time to give Fortus a shot at it and see how he can do.

If he ever had mystique, it was gone after this happened: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fL-jsbrQ-I

That was the death of Axl, and a very painful one.

Next to the day Slash left that was easily the most painful day in GNR history as it single handedly killed the comeback attempt and way the general public looked at the idea of a GNR with just Axl.

Riad is as close to filler as any song on Chinese Democracy.

There is no close to about it.