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2 hours ago, GoForJMark said:

To quote Rose a bit

In a nutshell, personally I consider Pele a cancer and better removed, avoided. And the less anyone heard of him or his supporters the better. 

Jeez, really?  A cancer?  How seriously are you talking this place? 

I think cancer is a bit harsh.

Aside from hard rock fans whose musical diversity amounts to whether to listen to Absurd or Hard School fifty times in a week, or Absurd AND Hard School twenty-five times each, I'm not sure anyone really cares who DJ Ashba is.

The guy has been on a few Nikki Sixx-related records, and co-written a bunch of songs with him.  He deserves credit for those achievements, but, honestly, if he were such a great writer/player, he'd be a highly in-demand studio musician, yet, he's only been on a couple of tracks on one Debbie Gibson record within the past six years.  He's a Sunset Strip also-ran.

The only people who seem to find him cool also think it's fine to shop in Hot Topic after their fifteenth birthday.

Buckethead legitimately gave out a sack full of toys during his guitar solo spot at Madison Square Fucking Garden.  No one else has ever done that, come on! LOL

Earnestness is the word.  Went to see him at BB Kings in Manhattan and he played the entire Willy Wonka film on the screens before going on.  Not to be avant-garde, but, simply because he loves the movie and wanted everyone who came to see him to appreciate it as much as he did.

The whole trip up for him with Guns was new, new, new material.

Talked to people around him, and, although he adored GN'R's back catalog, he apparently wasn't really interested in playing that stuff every night.  I was told by some folks that he was constantly hounding Guns to keep writing new songs and genuinely only ever wanted to play the stuff the CD band wrote live.

Anyway, that's neither here nor there.  In my view, at least Guns was trying to forge a new identity with Buckethead & Finck, as opposed to having an also-ran play dress up and evoke other members.

Congrats on the interview.  The only thing I want to know is how many songs Axl had completed vocals on by the time he left.

4 minutes ago, DoMw94 said:

I really should know better than to click on this topic when it says "hot" 😂 

What were you expecting, a release announcement?

It's OK, buddy.  You're new here.  You'll catch on.

2 minutes ago, jamillos said:

Anyway, I may be a bit of an idealist or too optimistic or whatever. Unlike others though, I'm not claiming I know shit or that this is definitely the way it's all gonna go down. All I'm saying is it would be nice, that's all. And hope is never lost.

Hey, listen...that's not my position, but, I can respect and appreciate that there are other people out there who maintain that hope for the rest of us.

1 minute ago, jamillos said:

No problem. The leaks - sure, that could happen. I meant more like the box set with the original versions. I kinda can't imagine people having waited for 20 yrs for Axl and Slash to bury the hatchet only to then receive a record with someone elses' guitars on it. Maybe if it was a gigantic collection on some anniversary, then maybe, maybe... Also, this kind of release would generate merciless comparisons a la Axl's NuGNR vs "Slash" GNR. Not sure if that's what Axl would want...

I hate to say it, but, as much as I want a comprehensive, CD-era boxed set, I'd have to presume we'd be only getting something like that once Axl passes.

11 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

I wish L!VE FREE was here.

He would back up those who insist there's at least one album of material with vocals. (Outside of CD)

I just want one release to be done with minimum drama and maximum effort.

Announce an album, release an album, promote an album.

1 minute ago, jamillos said:

Anyway, the best way to hear all these tracks would be in the original version as a box set or if they leaked. Which is not gonna happen

I apologize for cherry-picking a part of your post.  I hate it when done to me, and, I usually find it obnoxious, but, I'm doing it now because the rest of it was the usual Pele-related drivel and, really, only this part stood out to me.

To the above, I say, well, why not?  We would've said the same three years ago before the Village leaks.  Sure, the probability is fairly low, but, not outside the realm of possibility.

I've been reading posts on here about three finished albums for two decades now.

Write a new, original song, or have a modicum of integrity and pack it in so we can get a box set of whatever's left.

1 hour ago, 19AT5 said:

I was taking the piss a bit but yes they were working on stuff the past few years. Though famously Tattoo You was made up of leftover tracks tarted up for release. The difference there though the leftovers were only 7 years old with the core band who recorded them still intact!

Also, most of the tracks the Stones have worked on were bonus tracks meant for deluxe re-issues of legacy albums.  Sure, they were touched up and re-done with modern overdubs, but, they haven't exactly attempted to present them as recent material.

For crying out loud, they released a new track during the pandemic, with lyrics about isolation and everywhere being a ghost town.  They're my f*cking parents' age, and they have more brand-new material released than this sad sack outfit.

39 minutes ago, smokingarthur said:

This is worse than Star Wars as there aren’t any new episodes and the old ones are running in slow motion. 

And all of the new Star Wars episodes weren't filmed over twenty years ago (though they may have been better if they had been!)

New forum low

16 hours ago, Pele said:

What if Huge disagrees?

What if he presents evidence of the song prior to Slash/Duff and it becomes clear Slash/Duff didn't write it?

Wondering how they are allowed to dilute the actual writers down?

As Robert Meyer Burnett often says, "It ain't show friends, it's show business, and, you don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate."

Sounds a bit deflating, and, it shatters some of our illusions about the entertainment industry, but, it's the truth.

Just about anything can be drafted into a contract, and, if all parties agree, it's legally binding.

As Whazup said, if anyone took issue with any of this, they'd likely be in court.

2 hours ago, WhazUp said:

Credits are a bit more fluid than I thought when I first started learning about how it worked years ago - really anyone could give anyone songwriting credits for any reason - hell even Prince gave his dad co-writing credits on some of his songs merely just to give his dad a little extra money.

Funny, I was thinking about a similar situation before.   Eddie Hazel from Parliament/Funkadelic often had his songwriting credits listed under G. Cook or Grace Cooke so that his Mother received his share of royalties.

54 minutes ago, Pele said:

Yes, I think that is a strong possibility.

Which could become a bone of contention for past members.

For example, if Silkworms was a Rose/Reed/Pitman song.

I'd imagine Pittman being frustrated with it now being a Rose/Hudson/McKagan/Reed/Pitman credit - unless the dilution came from Rose's share.

Pitman is likely a unique case.  Speculating again, but, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that part of his settlement involved a NDA, an agreement to never seek further compensation, and a buyout of any and all writing credits, past and future.

As for the rest of them, any past members' credits are probably secure via prior arrangements and contracts, though, I suppose they could have also been bought out as they left, seeing as it's probably much easier to have a contract re-worked for an employee (which they all were), as opposed to an officially vested band member. 

I'd love to learn more, in that regard.

Based on @Blackstar's wonderful research, I feel pretty comfortable in saying that Axl had a minimum of 50% of any and all songs written by the CD-era band.  As of this moment, I'd venture a guess that any Slash/Duff songwriting royalties are provided by Axl's portion, though, I obviously have no proof of that.

1 hour ago, Pele said:

There is something off about these HardSkool credits.

HardSkool was written in full prior to the reunion, we know the from the locker leaks.

Recording a slightly different bass line and recording a guitar solo over an existing melody/riff doesn't constitute a songwriting credit.

I mentioned this earlier, and, typically, you'd be right.  These contributions would usually constitute accompaniment, and, therefore, not worth of a writing credit, HOWEVER, two things:

- The attribution of additional writing credits is often down to the primary writer(s).  If the writer feels a certain part is integral to the work, they can offer up part of the writing royalty as compensation.

- In this particular case, I BELIEVE (my opinion - not presenting as verifiable fact) part of the reunion agreement would have involved guaranteed writing credits for Slash/Duff in exchange for working on previously existing material written by prior members.

Damn, I'd love to hear these.  I'm just nerdy enough to fall in a rabbit hole like that.

6 hours ago, 19AT5 said:

Some classic gigs from yesteryear would be cool. Though on the proviso that Bucket replaced Slash's parts. Obviously. It would be great if they also managed to put sneak Bucket on the upcoming UYI boxset too. Even though he had nothing to do with it. I believe this will happen. 🤣😁😆😂

To be fair to our mutual friend, I do absolutely love Buckethead, as well, though, obviously not as much as they do.  

6 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

I agree that it's probable that future GNR songs will be better than what SMKC is putting out, I'm excited to see what they did with Perhaps and maybe State Of Grace. As for Aturd and Hard Skool, they have Duff and Axl, but I think this song is better actually. Might just be me, but I don't listen to those anymore, they don't have that magic that I expected from new GNR music.

Aturd...I appreciated that...well done!  Might have to steal it.

I'm with you.  Don't listen to either song anymore, and, you have a good point, they did have Axl, Slash, & Duff together, though I do wonder what they would come up with if they wrote something entirely from scratch.  Unfortunately, I'm in the cynical camp which doesn't believe we'll ever hear a brand-new song from them, but that's neither here nor there, is it?

  I do think this song is definitely better than Absurd, and, my god, to be honest, I'd probably be falling outta my wheelchair if Axl sang this one.

6 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

Pretty funny but much like ACDC, Slash has been making the same style of music his entire career and that never changed, except for VR. No idea why people are expecting something different now. The problem is not his music though, it's that Myles brings no personality to his singing, he always sings the same way, especially the chorus often sounds similar to other ones. This is not the song to criticise him for though,, this is like one of the few SMKC songs where he sounds like he's having fun and not like a programmed robot.

I think the point is more that without Duff, Izzy, or Axl, his songs constantly tend to lack that undefinable quality, the spark that creates true magic, though I suppose you could make that argument about all of them, depending on your viewpoint and tastes.

As for Myles, he's just never done it for me.  Obviously a talented guy, seems really humble, down to earth, and hard-working, but, yeah, I dunno.  There's just something in the tone that rankles.  YM, of course, MV

Wouldn't mind a boxset of proshot videos from the four Hammerstein shows I went to in 2006, or the MSG show in 2002, or a 47-cd box of Chinese sessions, or, maybe, the re-recorded AFD.

As for the "old" band?  Dunno, really.  How 'bout an official release of Inglewood '91, or a proper, official UYI tour doc?  Maybe a taste of what they were working on from '94-'96.

Seemingly every time one of these singles comes out, I jump in here, say the songs all sound the same, and get roasted, so, this time, I'm just gonna put this here:

https://www.metalsucks.net/2022/01/14/slash-featuring-myles-kennedy-the-conspirators-debut-new-song-call-off-the-dogs/