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That works both ways. Here is a link to the video in question. Interview with Dennis Desmonds wife starts at 00:50 into the video.
I'm glad you posted that, thanks! Because again, it proves my point.
First off, the interviewer specifically states that the rumour is the PROMOTER punched AXL first. But, I guess that doesn't matter to SunnyDRE who thinks the story is all about Axl.
Direct quote: "What's the truth in this rumour that Dennis gave him a punch and he (Axl) gave him a punch back?"
She doesn't even answer the question directly. She says "it got a little bit physical." No real detail.
But here you have a "fan" like SunnyDRE spinning the story and leaving out the whole "the promoter punched first" angle that even this tabloid show had in. In SunnyDRE's post, she claims the media has gone easy on Axl for not running a story about him punching the promoter, when in reality, according to this video, the media has gone easy on the promoter by not running a story about HIM punching the guy who was there to play for the fans! Beyond that, well, self defence anyone?
Second, she never verifies if she was there, and I'm sure her husband made himself out to be the white knight. And I don't blame him for that, by the way. He has a business to run.
And the rest of the interview overdubs questions so that you don't hear them all. It's edited. The part about "lets clear up the rumour about Axl sleeping before going on stage" doesn't even answer the question at all!
Again, this is shoddy journalism, although not as shoddy as SunnyDRE's re-wording of it.
It's purple monkey dishwasher syndrome.
Oh fuck off seriously
:rofl-lol: :rofl-lol:That's a direct quote from the video you provided. Did you not watch it before posting it? This whole thing is suddenly hilarious at this point.
Seems to me, again, that certain people are only happy when it's negative about the band. See, when the video was "Axl punches a promoter" - oooh lets talk about it. Despite the fact that it's questionable bs.
When it comes out "the promoter punches Axl and Axl punches back" - suddenly you don't have a reply? It's still questionable bs, the same video, but when the shoe's on the other foot, no one cares.
All I see in this thread, other than the opening post being way too pro-band, do no wrong, is that certain people here don't care about reality and only want to trash the band.
No actually I am willing to look at this from other than a playground perspective.
Who threw the first punch is irrelevant. What caused that to happen is however.
You've attempted to side-step the entire point though. We're talking about the media's portrayal of the band. So lets be very clear:
One, the media is not the most trustworthy when it comes to this band. This is partially due to the fact that the band doesn't communicate well and seems to prefer direct contact with the fans and fan sites, rather than pandering to the mainstream media or tabloid press - but the core issue is still there. The media is ready to jump on the rumour wagon at the drop of a hate.
Two, certain people will spin anything and that video was a great example in the end. It went from SunnyDRE saying someone said Axl punched out the promoter to the promoter supposedly throwing a punch, and you know what? It's still a bunch of unconfirmed tripe.
But if you want to drag up last week's news, well: What caused this to happen - drunks throwing bottles.
Let me be very clear: The band was late. Not very late by GN'R standards. GN'R's shows often run late. This is not "news" even to casual fans. I took a couple "casual" fans to shows in Canada that were later than Dublin. We had cups - no bottles allowed. No one threw anything. The band played an awesome set. The casual fans I took, who had never seen the band live and one of whom probably knew three songs, loved it. They didn't care that the band was late, and the band didn't hit the stage til around 11PM. And played a LONG set.
There is no excusing people throwing things. Drunks throw shit at bands even when they show up on time. I go to a lot of shows, about 10 this year, I've seen it happen under all circumstances.
When your friend is late to dinner, you don't bottle him/her in the face. Period.
So you talk "what caused this to happen" all you want. What happened was, a crowd got impatient, acted like hooligans, the band gave a warning, followed up on that warning, eventually came back out when cooler heads prevail.
I've seen other acts go through this - Oasis has cut a show short and DID NOT FINISH for the same reason. Iron Maiden, AC/DC, and other bands have all threatened to stop their shows.
Something interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bottling_incidents_by_year
Bottling is mostly an issue of the past 10 years and about half the major incidents happen in Britain or Ireland.
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That works both ways. Here is a link to the video in question. Interview with Dennis Desmonds wife starts at 00:50 into the video.
I'm glad you posted that, thanks! Because again, it proves my point.
First off, the interviewer specifically states that the rumour is the PROMOTER punched AXL first. But, I guess that doesn't matter to SunnyDRE who thinks the story is all about Axl.
Direct quote: "What's the truth in this rumour that Dennis gave him a punch and he (Axl) gave him a punch back?"
She doesn't even answer the question directly. She says "it got a little bit physical." No real detail.
But here you have a "fan" like SunnyDRE spinning the story and leaving out the whole "the promoter punched first" angle that even this tabloid show had in. In SunnyDRE's post, she claims the media has gone easy on Axl for not running a story about him punching the promoter, when in reality, according to this video, the media has gone easy on the promoter by not running a story about HIM punching the guy who was there to play for the fans! Beyond that, well, self defence anyone?
Second, she never verifies if she was there, and I'm sure her husband made himself out to be the white knight. And I don't blame him for that, by the way. He has a business to run.
And the rest of the interview overdubs questions so that you don't hear them all. It's edited. The part about "lets clear up the rumour about Axl sleeping before going on stage" doesn't even answer the question at all!
Again, this is shoddy journalism, although not as shoddy as SunnyDRE's re-wording of it.
It's purple monkey dishwasher syndrome.
Oh fuck off seriously
:rofl-lol: :rofl-lol:That's a direct quote from the video you provided. Did you not watch it before posting it? This whole thing is suddenly hilarious at this point.
Seems to me, again, that certain people are only happy when it's negative about the band. See, when the video was "Axl punches a promoter" - oooh lets talk about it. Despite the fact that it's questionable bs.
When it comes out "the promoter punches Axl and Axl punches back" - suddenly you don't have a reply? It's still questionable bs, the same video, but when the shoe's on the other foot, no one cares.
All I see in this thread, other than the opening post being way too pro-band, do no wrong, is that certain people here don't care about reality and only want to trash the band.
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Heard about this the other day. Awesome of DJ to do that.
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That works both ways. Here is a link to the video in question. Interview with Dennis Desmonds wife starts at 00:50 into the video.
I'm glad you posted that, thanks! Because again, it proves my point.
First off, the interviewer specifically states that the rumour is the PROMOTER punched AXL first. But, I guess that doesn't matter to SunnyDRE who thinks the story is all about Axl.
Direct quote: "What's the truth in this rumour that Dennis gave him a punch and he (Axl) gave him a punch back?"
She doesn't even answer the question directly. She says "it got a little bit physical." No real detail.
But here you have a "fan" like SunnyDRE spinning the story and leaving out the whole "the promoter punched first" angle that even this tabloid show had in. In SunnyDRE's post, she claims the media has gone easy on Axl for not running a story about him punching the promoter, when in reality, according to this video, the media has gone easy on the promoter by not running a story about HIM punching the guy who was there to play for the fans! Beyond that, well, self defence anyone?
Second, she never verifies if she was there, and I'm sure her husband made himself out to be the white knight. And I don't blame him for that, by the way. He has a business to run.
And the rest of the interview overdubs questions so that you don't hear them all. It's edited. The part about "lets clear up the rumour about Axl sleeping before going on stage" doesn't even answer the question at all!
Again, this is shoddy journalism, although not as shoddy as SunnyDRE's re-wording of it.
It's purple monkey dishwasher syndrome.
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The best way to do it is with Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven.
Yawn.
You know, I love the original lineup. But comments like this are just so pointless in threads that have zero to do with the old lineup or a reunion. Feel better now?
It's not pointless, the OP asked what the best way to release CD2 would be and I answered. Is there anyone with an IQ above 50 that would say the original lineup coming back and releasing new material WOULDN'T be the best way? Ron, DJ Ashba and Frank Ferrer aren't exactly names to get excited for - they cover the hits well but nobody even knows who they are.
Just because I don't look at things with the perspective of 'Axl can do no wrong' (this board) means I have to support this half assed incarnation of GNR? I love Axl as a performer, and enjoy a great percentage of CD songs, but this is NOT gnr and in fact is a disgrace to the name. Axl's made a mockery of a once wonderful band but I'd still go see him perform even if he had a clown on lead (like in Boston '02). THAT means I'm a fan.
He'd absolve himself of 99% of criticism if he didn't use the GNR name.
I think it would be good if they just released the un-released material from the past decade or something to let people hear it. Just work on them a little more to to make them sound better and release them.
Than work on a new album with new material with DJ and Bumblefoot. Release it in early 2011 or 2012 and tour behind it and promote it.
You continue to use logic when talking about Axl Rose. Any other performer would probably do something along the lines of what you suggest, but he's still out in fucking left field doing whatever the fuck it is he does at 3 in the morning.
What makes you think the old lineup coming back WOULD be the best way?
Financially, yes, it probably would be, but do you care how rich the people involved are, or about the music?
I don't see the old members being able to work out their differences and put out anything better than Chinese Democracy. I really don't. I see it being a cash grab, and a cluster fuck that would soon end in yet another split.
DJ helped write SOLA for Motley, and Sixx:AM so he's got some obvious writing talent. Anyone want to question Ron's ability? And everyone seems to forget about Richard.
I'd rather have those guys, working together, than a dysfunctional family.
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http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/axl-roses-firestarters-sentenced_1164969
Axl Rose's Firestarters Sentenced
The two men who sparked the 2007 wildfire that almost destroyed rocker AXL ROSE's Malibu, California home have been sentenced to a year behind bars.
Brian Alan Anderson, 25, and William Thomas Coppock, 26, were among the men who, according to authorities, started an illegal late-night campfire in a cave. The small blaze quickly burned out of control and ripped through the countryside near the Guns N' Roses star, who turned firefighter to save his canyon home and the properties of neighbours.
The fire, one of California's worst, destroyed 53 homes.
Both men have already served 200 days in jail. They will serve another 165.
Van Nuys Superior Court Judge Susan Speer also ordered the two men to stay away from Corral Canyon, where the fire started, and perform 500 hours of community service, according to the Los Angeles Times.
Anderson and Coppock were also told they had to write letters of apology to the 53 homeowners who lost their homes in the blaze and the five seriously injured firefighters caught in the flames.
The men will also be required to pay restitution, which will be considered at a hearing in October (10).
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Axl hates the media, the media hates Axl. He won't cater to them so the media hate's him. If Axl wasl ike SLash, the media would love him, but he's not.
The thing is that he'll always be the same way, but for osme reason no one realizes it. When he's late, people seem surpried or pissed. It's GN'R, he's gonna be late, even though it's stupid, he still does it.
The media will never say anything positive about him. To them, he's the bad guy, the guy who's living in the past, the fat, old, sloppy, jerk who hates everybody and his fans. But what about TMZ video when he was just walking around the street with a smile on his face, or the video on Youtube where he is taking pictures with fans and giving them autographs.
Axl is a who, unless he reunite with the old band, will always be hated by the media. It's a shame really.
Exactly
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The media writes negative shit about axl, because axl does negative shit.
Oh, I'm sorry. I thought I was on a GNR fansite.
SunnyDRE is not a GN'R fan.
I'm not?
I've never seen a single positive post from you in this forum about the band. I honestly have no idea why you're here, other than as someone looking for attention by trolling the board.
In fact, I think they cut axl some slack, by not jumping all over the story about him punching the promotor. I would have thought that would have been a bigger story, but their weren't many articles, and that was actually confirmed.
Do you have a link to that story? I've not heard anything about that.
You sort of defeat your own point by posting this. It's a third hand report. joe.ie quotes the Sun (a tabloid) who quote an "inside source" like they just happen to have spies working backstage at gigs just in case.
There's no mention of this by the promoter himself, no confirmation from any other source, no photo or video proof, no attempt to ask the band for comment.
So yeah. The media is doing a bang-up job. You know that one is questionable though since most news outlets realized how iffy it was and didn't run with it.
Every paper with the word "Sun" at the end is not a tabloid; and according to another poster who happens to live Ireland, the promoter's wife confirmed on tv, that some fistacuff's where exchanged between axl and her husband
Now as for my level fandom or why I post here, blah blah - Don't worry about it **shrugs**; If you feel that I'm negative or looking for attention - block me or don't respond.
I didn't say every paper with that name was a tabloid. The Irish Sun, however, is:
"The Sun is a daily tabloid newspaper published in the United Kingdom and Ireland (where it is known as The Irish Sun)." Thank you Wikipedia.
One and the same, with a horrid reputation.
And "another poster" is not winning me over. To quote an overused internet cliche, pics or it didn't happen. Or in this case, video or it didn't happen. An anonymous poster referring to a video we haven't seen of an interview with the wife of the promoter, who may or may not have actually seen it herself. In other words, third hand hearsay.
Block you? Why, it's more fun to point out the glaring holes in your misinformation.
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There was one cup and one bottle of water thrown on stage at Dublin!
Look, we don't know what was in that bottle or cup. If either were filled with piss, would you still feel the same?
I'm sure that Axl feels responsible for the safety of his band, and I can understand why he wouldn't be willing to subject them to any unnecessary danger.
So yes, his actions were heroic and selfless in nature.
Ever thought that if he'd been on stage on time non of this would've happened? Just saying.
Idiots throw things even when bands are on time, so your logic fails. Beyond that, two wrongs do not make a right.
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The media writes negative shit about axl, because axl does negative shit.
Oh, I'm sorry. I thought I was on a GNR fansite.
SunnyDRE is not a GN'R fan.
I'm not?
I've never seen a single positive post from you in this forum about the band. I honestly have no idea why you're here, other than as someone looking for attention by trolling the board.
In fact, I think they cut axl some slack, by not jumping all over the story about him punching the promotor. I would have thought that would have been a bigger story, but their weren't many articles, and that was actually confirmed.
Do you have a link to that story? I've not heard anything about that.
You sort of defeat your own point by posting this. It's a third hand report. joe.ie quotes the Sun (a tabloid) who quote an "inside source" like they just happen to have spies working backstage at gigs just in case.
There's no mention of this by the promoter himself, no confirmation from any other source, no photo or video proof, no attempt to ask the band for comment.
So yeah. The media is doing a bang-up job. You know that one is questionable though since most news outlets realized how iffy it was and didn't run with it.
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The media writes negative shit about axl, because axl does negative shit.
Oh, I'm sorry. I thought I was on a GNR fansite.
SunnyDRE is not a GN'R fan.
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The media writes negative shit about axl, because axl does negative shit.
Noone is being brainwashed.
While I'm not quite as... one-sided on the issue as the original poster, that's not entirely true.
The media writes negative shit about Axl because he has, historically and repeatedly, told them to fuck off, and ignored them. He doesn't pander to them and they enjoy using their medium to get some pay-back. Look at the number of reviews over the years that failed to talk about the music and only the image. Look at the number of errors in articles related to this band, and the number of unfounded rumours printed - far worse than any other outfit.
So no, not all of it is deserved. Some? yeah, sure, but again - two wrongs don't make a right. Certain news outlets can't even quote press releases properly when it comes to this band.
Will it hurt a tour? Not likely when the promoter of Leeds and Reading says publicly that he'd book the band again, since they helped him draw massive crowds. It also helps when you sell out the first four nights of the tour.
Despite the negative B.S. we've had to deal with the band has been rocking for nearly a year now.
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The label will never give him a new advance to start a new project when he has so much material recorded that they already paid for. Besides, I am not sure how capable Axl is at this point of starting a new project completely from scratch that will offer him a very limited budget most likely compared to what he has always been accustomed to.
Ding ding ding. This is the reason why a new album with the new guys isn't completely logical. After spending millions upon millions on Axl during the Chinese Democracy era, I doubt the label will give him any backing on anything new. It'd most likely have to wait until after the stuff he already has is released.
While I somewhat agree with Naupis (a rarity) - didn't Axl build a studio? So basically, how much financial backing would be needed? Realistically, album costs for anything new should at least be a fair bit cheaper anyway... producer, mixing/mastering, etc. but plenty of much smaller bands can manage that.
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Shackler's sounded amazing...
Pretty damn close to perfect setlist..
*Knowing that TWAT and Prostitue have zero chance of ever being played again*
Y'think? That'd be kinda tragic were it the case... Prostitute's one of the best GNR songs in existence, it NEEDS to be perfected and played live.
TWAT was played in Canada, I was lucky enough to hear it in Hamilton, so never say never.
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I know, I know. It's another CD2 thread. Well what the hell else are we going to talk about?
ANYWAY...I've been thinking about what would be the best and most economical way for Axl to put out the next "Chinese Democracy" album. Ron and the others seem to be not too keen on releasing another album that they're simply featured on, rather that one they wrote and come from their hearts. As much as I can't wait to hear CD2, I honestly get where they're coming from.
However, I think it would literally be a sin to keep these songs locked up just for the sake of putting out a "fresher" album. So how do they do it, while keeping the door open to another upcoming album? Simple. Re-release Chinese Democracy as a double album, complete with a remix or two, and whatever other tracks were slated for the next CD era album. Not to mention, this would be a perfect opportunity for the band to incorporate the artwork and corrected lyrics that were intended for the initial release.
It could be marketed as "Chinese Democracy - The Ultimate Edition" or "Chinese Democracy - The Complete Set". This is, in my opinion, the best way to put out whatever else is finished, or has been remixed, from the Chinese Democray era.
If marketed correctly, with a killer new single or two, this could be a new beginning for Chinese Democracy, and would recharge and save the legacy it most definitely deserves.
Axl, if you're still browsing the forums, ya gotta admit...This would be pretty freaking cool!
Not really down with that. I'd rather they either make the next CD a double, or do them separate. Or, release "new" recordings first then go back and release the rest of the songs from the CD era.
But I don't really like the idea of a re-issue. A lot of people won't give it a chance based on the name, they'll just figure "oh it's just a cash grab with a few more songs" etc.
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Why is everyone so focused on the start from scratch album being pure rock and roll? Bumble has enough range to play classical music, Dj im sure can do excellent ballads, even Tommy's old band The Pretenders has some really slow sounding songs.
The Pretenders? You mean The Replacements?
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CD didn't take 11, or 14, or 15 years or whatever it was.
Rebuilding the band, fighting lawsuits, and all the fun that came with it - that's what took so long.
I would love for Guns to do both. There's enough music still around to make a sequel of sorts to CD, from what we've heard (The General, Thyme, Seven, Oklahoma, Down by the Ocean, Zodiac, Atlas Shrugged, Elvis Presley and the Monster of Soul) - why not put that out AND come out with a straight-up rock n' roll album?
Wishful thinking, I know. But I'd love to see both (I keep saying this, maybe I'll bore someone into considering it
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To suggest DJ is a Slash imitator is a bit rich too - DJ has been doing his thing for years, well before he was a member of guns and his style in the band now is no different to what it's been when he's played with Sixx:AM, etc.
yes, but is it not possible that he's been influenced by Slash since long before he knew he was gonna be in GNR? as in, when he was learning guitar?
Sure, but imitator? Look, i'm a massive Slash fan, but he's not exactly the most original guitarist in the world.
True but Slash's image is iconic. DJ is not known for his iconic image. Relative to Slash, the casual concert goer isn't going to have a clue as to who DJ is. This is why some people pick up on his similarities to Slash and think he is paying tribute to him.
There is an increasing number of people going to GNR shows who are woefully ignorant about the band. I call them the greatest hits crowd. If you look at Slash's facebook page some people were asking him lately if he was touring with Guns in Europe at the moment. One person even said that her friend persuaded her that Slash played at the GNR gig that he went to recently.
I always thought that Axl's intention was to move away from Slash, both in terms of image and sound. Buckethead was ample proof of this. However lately it looks a whole lot different.
With Bumble and DJ Axl seems to be going for a more classic rock look; even his image suggests that.
He does seem to be moving away from the more electronic/techno feel of early 2000s Guns. The NYtimes noted about a GNR concert in 2001:
"But only in the first song of their encore, a hard-driving electronic rave-up that sounded like a Chemical Brothers remix of Guns 'n' Roses, did the audience get a glimpse of the music that the band really seemed to want to play. And it was the glimpse of a completely different beast than Guns 'n' Roses (with a new frontline of a beefy Mr. Rose, a mimelike Buckethead and a stormtrooper-outfitted Mr. Finck), which isn't necessarily a bad thing."
That sound and version of the band seems to have fallen away.
People grow and change over time. I think a lot of the whole "industrial" angle was blown out of proportion. And I think the elements that were there were integrated really well in CD.
A lot was based on rumour, and the look of certain members. Meh.
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seems like an amazing show.
Yeah wow, amazing...a couple songs from CD, a bunch of 20 year old songs and 3 or 4 solos.
What do you want, the second coming???
I think this thread illustrates a very important point: there are certain members of this board and the "fan community" who are only happy when attacking the band. When there's controversy - Reading, or Dublin - they circle and squawk like vultures, and the threads balloon to 50+ page flame wars.
But when you get a solid show with a solid setlist, bringing back a couple of tunes people had been wanting to hear, there's nothing. No positive side, because they have nothing positive to say. They're not fans, just shit-disturbers.
Hope everyone at tonight's gig had a great time. The setlist looks sweet. Even with those 20 year old songs (I mean, come on, right? Why keep an old song like Paradise City in the mix??? /sarcasm)
While I wouldn't expect 3 hour shows like in Asia, there is enough material to put on solid 2.5 hours shows on each stop. It's not as if this is a tiring world tour with 125 stops. It just seems to be Axl's doing the bare minimum with these performances. I wanted to see refinement of live CD songs throughout the tour like Shackler's, If the World, Catcher, Prostitute and There was a Time - these are tunes that were a bit rough and raw but ones that I thought had real potential to become live masterpieces.
Believe me, I love the old songs, I really do, but a better mix of CD songs (since it is the CD 'tour') and a 2+ hour setlist would be nice. Last thing, people hate when I compare Metallica, but one of the really cool things they do is play one unique song in each setlist throughout the tour - on the DM tour, among other songs, they played things we haven't heard live in YEARS - Trapped under ice, outlaw torn, shortest straw, through the never, Dyer's Eve, etc, etc. Imagine Axl pulls out don't damn me, perfect crime, 14 years...
I'm going to give you credit - that was a pretty solid reply. That said - they're playing a pretty long setlist even with 18 songs. I wouldn't call it the care minimum - that basically is 2 hours and a bit. That's what STP are doing currently (just saw them recently), and that's without doing as many new songs as GN'R. And a pretty stagnant setlist from night to night. I know GN'R had a couple of shorter sets lately but 18 songs, plus jams and solos, and a larger number of new songs than most bands tonight...
I'd love to see some rarities come out, and we have in the past - Down on the Farm, Used to Love Her... and I'm sure we will again. Every night? I doubt it. Metallica have the advantage of having toured and released albums on a regular basis over the past 15 years. People are less angry when they drop a "hit" for a "rarity"
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and then?
I think before Australia they should play e.g. in GERMANY. I don't know what's the problem with Germany, but i think they should play there. A big Europe tour without country of 80 million citizens? I don't get it. That's a lot of fans there or?
Give it time. They might not have been able to work out the right deal. They might want to do a larger tour of Germany later. Germany, Poland, Ukraine - there are other countries that didn't get shows on this leg of the tour. You could easily do another European leg in 2011. They did what, 10 shows on the 1st euro leg, 24 shows on the 2nd euro leg? What's another 10 - 15 shows then?
Especially since the 1st 4 shows sold out. Promoters only look at the bottom line.
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I believe that this band is more than capable of writing exciting fresh new material. That's not the point though. Axl has burnt so many bridges in the music business I can't see anyone touching him with a bargepole regarding releasing a new album. There is so much baggage attached to Axl I think in my opinion that he has bitten off more than he can chew, particularly in regards to Azoff. All I can really see is Axl touring with more or less the same greatest hits setlist for the foreseeable future.
Huh?
Axl already has a label. They sold at least a few million copies of Chinese Democracy. Nevermind the exact numbers but it was a platinum CD in many countries including the U.S.
Now lets look at another success story: Black Gives Way to Blue by Alice in Chains. It hasn't sold close to what CD has but everyone points to it as a "successful comeback" and Duvall was talking about a new album recently.
If Guns outsold that, why wouldn't they put out a new album?
No, they won't get the funding they did before, but then they shouldn't need it. They have existing material. Plus, didn't they build a studio? Best Buy paid off the debt also.
And what does Azoff have to do with putting out a CD? If Azoff so much as tries to tamper with an album release the DOJ will likely throw his ass in jail. He's already being looked at by anti-trust lawyers.
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seems like an amazing show.
Yeah wow, amazing...a couple songs from CD, a bunch of 20 year old songs and 3 or 4 solos.
What do you want, the second coming???
I think this thread illustrates a very important point: there are certain members of this board and the "fan community" who are only happy when attacking the band. When there's controversy - Reading, or Dublin - they circle and squawk like vultures, and the threads balloon to 50+ page flame wars.
But when you get a solid show with a solid setlist, bringing back a couple of tunes people had been wanting to hear, there's nothing. No positive side, because they have nothing positive to say. They're not fans, just shit-disturbers.
Hope everyone at tonight's gig had a great time. The setlist looks sweet. Even with those 20 year old songs (I mean, come on, right? Why keep an old song like Paradise City in the mix??? /sarcasm)
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Had Slash not bailed, that endeavor never would have been necessary.
Had the working conditions not gotten toxic, Slash would never have left most likely, or Duff, or Matt (although he was fired for saying something about the working conditions).
Toxic is an interesting choice of word for that particular argument.
I don’t like getting involved in the Slash v Axl or Old Guns v NuGuns arguments as I personally love everything GnR.
As I’ve said elsewhere I’d love to see Duff back in the band but in terms of Slash I’m more than happy with DJ (and Ron) and don’t see a need to change it. That said, I’m no Slash detractor as I have is new album, have played it to death and love it!
So, usually I don’t need to get involved as I can see that other peoples opinions vary and that’s fair enough, but...
The one thing that does wind me up is when people (generally the pro-slash brigade) fail to acknowledge that Slash and Duff were in absolute self destruct mode during the peak of GnR and almost killed themselves and the band whilst Axl remained focused.
Can anyone really blame Axl from wanting to secure the rights to the band whilst the toxic twins mk2 were taking the RnR lifestyle to the absolute extream – No!!!.
When the band re-grouped for SFTD in 94 we always hear the story about Slash being pissed off by Paul Huge being ‘around’ and how this was the beginning of the end as Axl began to distance himself from the other members, and in general these stories are told in a way that make Axl out to be a villain for forcing first Gilby and then Slash out (mainly because the stories came from Slash of course), but on the other hand Slash and Duff were on route to a burst pancreas (Duff) and a Pacemaker (Slash) at this time.
Perhaps we should consider that just maybe, Axl had good reason to distance himself from both of them and to ensure he did everything he could to protected the GnR name.
Its also funny how the pretty non rock star Dizzy didn’t suffer the same desire to walk or cause friction. Its also interesting how the relatively ‘clean’ Izzy and Gilby have also both shared a stage with Axl over the past decade. The laid back and genuine top bloke Sebastian Bach also seems to stick by him – I guess he cant be that bad after all?!?.
We’ll never know who speaks the most truth, but when Axl said that Slash was very good at being Slash he certainly hit the nail on the head. Slash had more reason to be outspoken after the split as he was suddenly an absolute ICON without a band. Even without that band he wasn’t really anything other than Slash from GnR, so he needed to talk about it (and the split) just to keep himself ‘out there’.
All past gunners are important as they form the legacy of this amazing band, who continue to thrill people to this day.
I personally believe Slash needs a reunion for more than Axl does (I’m talking personally, not financially) and I myself hope it never happens.
Excellent post!
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From what I could see Axl is not happy about everything that went down and feels Slash stole many years of his life.
That tells me there is a lot of mental illness going on there if Axl really believes that.
How many times was Axl sued by Slash? How long did the court battles drag on?
I don't even need this quote to realize Axl probably feels this way. Slash's lawsuit over the licensing of songs to movies, at the very least, became a joke as soon as the list of crap he wanted to attach GN'R's name to came out. I'd be pissed too, if I got dragged into court over that.
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How to release CD2?
in 2010
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Pull shit like what? You make it sounds like it's been 15 years since CD came out!
They're in the middle of a massive tour. Most bands don't release albums then, and this isn't even most bands. CD came out in Fall 2008. Now yes - it took them a year to get the tour going but I think we can say that wasn't really planned.
Now, we've got a massive, and despite all the naysaying, very successful tour going on. Give it time! It's not even a full two years since the last CD!
Let me give you an example though, Tool. They do about 5 years between albums. Every. single. time!
And it's not that the new version is any better, it's that we don't know. We still have material in the vault that we want to hear. I'm dying to hear Elvis Presley and the Monster of Soul from the name alone!
Assuming they still tweak that material... look unless it's already pre-recorded CD era material, nothing's coming out til after the tour. Maybe, maybe the stuff that's already there could be mixed and mastered on a break in touring and come out then. Otherwise, don't expect it done until sometime in 2011 when this tour finally finishes. At the earliest.