Tommy getting fed up??

[kyrie]

Sounds like B.S. to me - remember Tommy was the one who, in the past, took the mic and threatened that the band would leave if people didn't stop throwing shit.

And as someone else said, how could anyone hear shit?

Could be bullshit, but it could very well be true, much like the story about the chicken coop in the studio(which Beta did confirm) and "aura readings"(which Tom Zutant confirmed). Who knows though. One thing i will say that if Tommy leaves it will certainly NOT be the end of the band. He is just a bass player after all, an average one of that. Im not bashing him but there are better bass players out there like Rob Trujilo from Metallica. The only person who will end the band by leaving is Axl. Hell Robin and Bucket had very prominent roles in the sound of the band and the band has carried on without them. So Tommy leads the band during rehearsal, big deal, im sure the rest of the band are going to stop collecting their very nice pay cheques because of Tommy leaving...

Like I said, I have mixed emotions about Tommy but he is the one who holds this thing together. What is the point of carrying on without him. Its already lame that the lead guitarists dont play songs they wrote....old or new. You can only keep carrying on with newer members for so long. Why do you think this band hasnt taken off over the past decade. The avg rock n roll fan cant name 1 dam player outside of Axl. There is no continuity. Cant expect people to buy into new faces every tour. Not going to work.

the only one that's not replaceable is Axl

the band has moved on when others left buckethead, brain, robin

lame response.

Hmm i dunno man, Black Label society, Ozzy Osbourne, Megadeth, Smashing Pumpkins and Black Sabbath have had no troubles with revolving members. Lets face it, most people go to a Guns show to see Axl, if Tommy was replaced with a clown that played bass, no one would really care. Things haven't picked up for this band since 1994 because of Axl's on and off tinkering with the album and touring, not to mention being anti-media and doing NO promo. When Bucket and Robin left, it was not reported in the general media, as no one outside hard Guns N' Roses fans would really care, however when Axl so much as bats an eyelid, its all over the papers. Just my opinion though, i don't really get why people view Tommy as a special member really, he is as much a member as Sorum was, and thats it.

Your making my point. No one cares because there hasnt been any continuity/promotion since Slash left. The avg rock fan hasnt accepted new gnr because everytime they see them its a new lineup. So that feeds into the whole this isnt gnr its just a revolving door thang. The comeback ship has long sailed but in regards to the hardcore fans you can tell the lineup changes are getting out of hand. And when the harcore base begin to scratch there heads, you know the people who actually dont have a problem with you carryingon the name and accepting a new version,,then you begin to enter the danger zone

GN'R is attracting 15,000 hardcore fans a night on this tour thus far...

or, the average fans are going to the shows.

Edited September 2, 2010 by kyrie

[kyrie]

I've stuck up for this band for a while, but this is starting to really make me question that. They're showing up later and later for the shows and blowing high profile gigs, and it's getting hard to support them when Axl obviously just doesn't give a fuck anymore.

Not true. As somone else pointed out, they've been coming out earlier compared to the past.

Here's what the real issue is: certain troublemakers are using the late thing as an excuse to cause shit. There was an hour between bands last night but if you look at the twitter posts, after 5 minutes people were crying "oh Axl's late" as if a 5 minute changeover between bands is even possible. Fights were breaking out after 20 minutes despite even that being too short a time to be feasible.

Assholes will use any excuse to stir shit up and that's all you're seeing now. They know GN'R has a history and they're taking advantage of it. You can blame the band hisorically but that's B.S. especially given it's a rock show and these unwanted elements should know better. They're just punks.

[axldavies]

Tommy has been one of the closest people to Axl for like 15 years.

If this were true, it would not be the first time they've had crossed words, and it won't be the last.

Not everything is so do or die.

[Casual]

youtube or GTFO/GFYS

[SunnyDRE]

I've stuck up for this band for a while, but this is starting to really make me question that. They're showing up later and later for the shows and blowing high profile gigs, and it's getting hard to support them when Axl obviously just doesn't give a fuck anymore.

You havnt been following the band to closely then over the years. Showing up later and later ??? They have been showing up an hour late...90 min tops lately. That is not a big deal. For some odd reason the fans and media have been talking about this like its some kind of big deal all of a sudden. Its not. Past tours, 2002,06, and the old days they would regularly go on around 11/1130 which is generally over 2 hrs late.

This topic is getting really overplayed and lame.

Agreed.

When I saw them in Oakland in 2006, they started at 12:30 a.m. Let me repeat that, they started at 12:30 a.m. At one of the Hammerstein shows I went to, they started at 11 p.m. You know what the difference was, at least one of them, with those shows as compared to Dublin? No one made things worse by throwing things on stage. Coming on stage late isn't right, but neither is throwing things at the band. It won't undue the lateness and it won't help the current situation. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Ali

Stop trying to re-write history.

People also complained during past tours.

[Salman Rushdie]

Stop trying to re-write history.

People also complained during past tours.

Yep. It's one of the reasons that Izzy and Slash left.

[youngunner]

I've stuck up for this band for a while, but this is starting to really make me question that. They're showing up later and later for the shows and blowing high profile gigs, and it's getting hard to support them when Axl obviously just doesn't give a fuck anymore.

You havnt been following the band to closely then over the years. Showing up later and later ??? They have been showing up an hour late...90 min tops lately. That is not a big deal. For some odd reason the fans and media have been talking about this like its some kind of big deal all of a sudden. Its not. Past tours, 2002,06, and the old days they would regularly go on around 11/1130 which is generally over 2 hrs late.

This topic is getting really overplayed and lame.

Agreed.

When I saw them in Oakland in 2006, they started at 12:30 a.m. Let me repeat that, they started at 12:30 a.m. At one of the Hammerstein shows I went to, they started at 11 p.m. You know what the difference was, at least one of them, with those shows as compared to Dublin? No one made things worse by throwing things on stage. Coming on stage late isn't right, but neither is throwing things at the band. It won't undue the lateness and it won't help the current situation. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Ali

Stop trying to re-write history.

People also complained during past tours.

people complained but it definately wasnt getting this much air time. It was a quick one line reference and then talked about the "freaks" that accompanied Axl on stage.

The media, some gnr fans, rock fans, and most of the mods/big wigs of the gnr internet community are all lame. Axl and the band are too at times. The train has needed a conductor for the past decade+. Axl has failed to find one. The biggest mistake ever made has been the lack of a strategy/ sense of purpose with the band.

[Ali]

I've stuck up for this band for a while, but this is starting to really make me question that. They're showing up later and later for the shows and blowing high profile gigs, and it's getting hard to support them when Axl obviously just doesn't give a fuck anymore.

You havnt been following the band to closely then over the years. Showing up later and later ??? They have been showing up an hour late...90 min tops lately. That is not a big deal. For some odd reason the fans and media have been talking about this like its some kind of big deal all of a sudden. Its not. Past tours, 2002,06, and the old days they would regularly go on around 11/1130 which is generally over 2 hrs late.

This topic is getting really overplayed and lame.

Agreed.

When I saw them in Oakland in 2006, they started at 12:30 a.m. Let me repeat that, they started at 12:30 a.m. At one of the Hammerstein shows I went to, they started at 11 p.m. You know what the difference was, at least one of them, with those shows as compared to Dublin? No one made things worse by throwing things on stage. Coming on stage late isn't right, but neither is throwing things at the band. It won't undue the lateness and it won't help the current situation. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Ali

Stop trying to re-write history.

People also complained during past tours.

What history am I trying to rewrite? Are you disputing the fact that starting at 10:25 p.m. is earlier than starting at 12:30 a.m.? All I'm disputing is the notion that they are coming on at later and later hours. It just isn't true.

Ali

[youngunner]

Why do you people want GNR to go on exactely at 9pm every night? Its bad enough the set hasnt changed over the past decade. They are too professional and predictable as it is. Waiting an hour n change at least gets a buzz in the air.

They need to mix in the Illusions and more CD every night. There should be Jungle, PC, SCOM,NR,Better every night and everything else is up to how they feel . Give me an unpredicatble set over pyro any day of the week

Edited September 2, 2010 by youngunner

[Naupis]

Why do you people want GNR to go on exactely at 9pm every night? Its bad enough the set hasnt changed over the past decade. They are too professional and predictable as it is. Waiting an hour n change at least gets a buzz in the air.

A good rock n' roll show shouldn't need gimmicks to create buzz in the air.

[youngunner]

Why do you people want GNR to go on exactely at 9pm every night? Its bad enough the set hasnt changed over the past decade. They are too professional and predictable as it is. Waiting an hour n change at least gets a buzz in the air.

A good rock n' roll show shouldn't need gimmicks to create buzz in the air.

Its not a gimmick. Axl gos on whenever hes in the mood. Do you think he sits there and says to himself,well its 9pm Im here but I cant go on untill 1030? cmon man.

dont go to the show if you cant handle them going on between 10-1130.

simple as that

[youngunner]

Why do you people want GNR to go on exactely at 9pm every night? Its bad enough the set hasnt changed over the past decade. They are too professional and predictable as it is. Waiting an hour n change at least gets a buzz in the air.

No it gets flying bottles and piss in the air and obviously pisses off the crowd jeopardising the show.

Then when you see that call the security guy over and tell him to remove the asshole.

Again, you know what your getting into when you buy that ticket. Dont buy the ticket if you cant handle/accept the possibilities of what might occur at the show.

Edited September 2, 2010 by youngunner

[seely]

Why do you people want GNR to go on exactely at 9pm every night? Its bad enough the set hasnt changed over the past decade. They are too professional and predictable as it is. Waiting an hour n change at least gets a buzz in the air.

No it gets flying bottles and piss in the air and obviously pisses off the crowd jeopardising the show.

Then when you see that call the security guy over and tell him to remove the asshole.

Yes, because in a crowd of 20,000, that really is so easy to do, not to mention without losing your place

[youngunner]

Why do you people want GNR to go on exactely at 9pm every night? Its bad enough the set hasnt changed over the past decade. They are too professional and predictable as it is. Waiting an hour n change at least gets a buzz in the air.

No it gets flying bottles and piss in the air and obviously pisses off the crowd jeopardising the show.

Then when you see that call the security guy over and tell him to remove the asshole.

Yes, because in a crowd of 20,000, that really is so easy to do, not to mention without losing your place

Im talking about when your next to or in the vicinity of the asshole.

[Guest RonMexico82]

I wouldn't be surprised if Tommy or Ron left, nor would I blame them for doing so.