Spark Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Alan Niven, any thoughts on the guy? I think he did a great job getting GNR where they were, it was a shame he had to leave because if anything I think GNR could still use a guy like him to help keep the band on track & pushing them when they needed to be pushed. It was claimed that he was fired because he was only in it for the money, but it was his job to do what he had to in order for them to succeed & for that he had to be paid. That's like saying Duff's only in it for the money, it's their job & they all get paid to do their job. I like Alan, but I read Slash didn't towards the end & Axl just plain hated him. & even David Geffen himself was always upset with Alan about something or another. People in the industry say that Niven was a slimy guy who put him self before the band & negotiated a bad deal when they first got signed & only re-negotiated the deal with Geffen after AFD took off & he realized how much money he was losing by not asking for a new contract. Niven says that the only way a reunion would ever happen is if you locked all 5 guys in a room together & let them sort it out & you don't open the door until they do. He also says that a reunion will never happen & I agree. I think there is something fishy about the guy (even though I kinda like him) because they never used him for Velvet Revolver, in fact they never worked with him on any project they ever did since firing him. I think Izzy wanted nothing to do with him after the JuJuHounds because of a bad contract again or something. Maybe he's the only type of personality who could have taken on a band like GNR in the beginning, maybe all the "normal" managers just didn't have the balls to wrestle the GNR beast. How do you feel about him & the band managers that GNR has had since? & do you think that Slash's manager over promotes Slash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreCC Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I think he did an awesome job in GNR and that's the main reason why he got fired unfortunately. He also seems like a very professional person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 He tried to get Axl sacked from the band before UYI. Bad move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreCC Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 (edited) He tried to get Axl sacked from the band before UYI. Bad move. He didn't try to do that. He made a suggestion and all due to Axl's behaviour which was far more unaceptable than the other members who were actually drug addicts but still were more professional than him at the time... Edited August 9, 2013 by AndreCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spark Posted August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 9, 2013 He tried to get Axl sacked from the band before UYI. Bad move. Yeah I know about that, who did he think would replace Axl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreCC Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Even if the firing happened, that would straight Axl up and they would eventually reunite if it came to that. Goldstein manipulated Axl into doing the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Not as I understand it, Niven thought the band was Izzy with Duff the engine, Axl to him was just a singer. Niven called Axl's material like Nov Rain and Estrnaged "Elton Rose". He could well have been right, in that GNR didn't need to go so OTT as UYI. Niv thought it was too early to do Physical Graphiti. History has proven otherwise as Nov Rain is basically the centrepiece of the show.I think Axl got it right on Right Next Door to Hell, it's not a song about hitting someone with a bottle. Axl tackled where they were at that point, fame, money, they owned 91-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreCC Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 (edited) Not as I understand it, Niven thought the band was Izzy with Duff the engine, Axl to him was just a singer. Niven called Axl's material like Nov Rain and Estrnaged "Elton Rose". He could well have been right, in that GNR didn't need to go so OTT as UYI. Niv thought it was too early to do Physical Graphiti. History has proven otherwise as Nov Rain is basically the centrepiece of the show.I think Axl got it right on Right Next Door to Hell, it's not a song about hitting someone with a bottle. Axl tackled where they were at that point, fame, money, they owned 91-2. Niven was completely right.It was too early to do a physical graffiti. Too early to go mainstream (the band completely colapsed after going mainstream which proved him right).They should have done 2 more Appetite kind of albums and then go with Illusions. The illusions were always gonna be good records, cause the music in there is good.Everyone agreed that the songs would be better without the voice overs and Axl's piano parts, but yet Axl alone went against everybody (and by the way they had equal shares by then) and did what he wanted. Izzy was completely disgusted with the final masters of the Use Your Illusion albums, and everyone referred it as Axl's songs because neither of them really liked it.Sure they're hits. The songs are great, but they didn't fit Guns N'Roses at that time...They had a very successful album and they were established by then but they needed more time before they would go into that adventure...I completely agree with Alan Niven on what he had to say on that interview...And if you think about it Axl lied in 1999 that he wanted to do another Appetite kind of record, because when the break up started to affect the band, Axl already wanted to do Chinese Democracy.... so 3 albums, 3 different styles?? For a band that had just established themselves?! That's crazy...Bands need to establish a music style first. That has to go through 2 or 3 albums at least, then that's when they should start the experimental stuff... Edited August 9, 2013 by AndreCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spark Posted August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 9, 2013 Not as I understand it, Niven thought the band was Izzy with Duff the engine, Axl to him was just a singer. Niven called Axl's material like Nov Rain and Estrnaged "Elton Rose". He could well have been right, in that GNR didn't need to go so OTT as UYI. Niv thought it was too early to do Physical Graphiti. History has proven otherwise as Nov Rain is basically the centrepiece of the show.I think Axl got it right on Right Next Door to Hell, it's not a song about hitting someone with a bottle. Axl tackled where they were at that point, fame, money, they owned 91-2. This is all true.As much as it bothers Niven NovRain was a huge song. & I don't think Niven knew that Axl still wanted to do silly songs like RNDTH because Axl did not have what it takes to grow up & take things to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreCC Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 All the Axl songs were good songs, but they shouldn't have been released so early and Axl had no business in messing with the other guys songs and doing whatever he wants with it...The illusions should have happened years after...those albums killed what Guns N'Roses were at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spark Posted August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 9, 2013 Not as I understand it, Niven thought the band was Izzy with Duff the engine, Axl to him was just a singer. Niven called Axl's material like Nov Rain and Estrnaged "Elton Rose". He could well have been right, in that GNR didn't need to go so OTT as UYI. Niv thought it was too early to do Physical Graphiti. History has proven otherwise as Nov Rain is basically the centrepiece of the show.I think Axl got it right on Right Next Door to Hell, it's not a song about hitting someone with a bottle. Axl tackled where they were at that point, fame, money, they owned 91-2. Niven was completely right.It was too early to do a physical graffiti. Too early to go mainstream (the band completely colapsed after going mainstream which proved him right).They should have done 2 more Appetite kind of albums and then go with Illusions. The illusions were always gonna be good records, cause the music in there is good.Everyone agreed that the songs would be better without the voice overs and Axl's piano parts, but yet Axl alone went against everybody (and by the way they had equal shares by then) and did what he wanted. Izzy was completely disgusted with the final masters of the Use Your Illusion albums, and everyone referred it as Axl's songs because neither of them really liked it.Sure they're hits. The songs are great, but they didn't fit Guns N'Roses at that time...They had a very successful album and they were established by then but they needed more time before they would go into that adventure...I completely agree with Alan Niven on what he had to say on that interview...And if you think about it Axl lied in 1999 that he wanted to do another Appetite kind of record, because when the break up started to affect the band, Axl already wanted to do Chinese Democracy.... so 3 albums, 3 different styles?? For a band that had just established themselves?! That's crazy...Bands need to establish a music style first. That has to go through 2 or 3 albums at least, then that's when they should start the experimental stuff...Well said. At some point Axl says he want to do another AFD album & then other times he changes his mind & wants to do a NIN style album. The guy is all over the place. But then again Niven said Axl still did not know who he was & was trying to find himself....but he should'nt have dragged the band in to that & stuck to rock. & poor Izzy was pushed away. Axl says he's crying & begging Izz to stay but ONLY if Izzy signs a BS contract? wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ll_tj1 Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 (edited) He tried to get Axl sacked from the band before UYI. Bad move. He didn't try to do that. He made a suggestion and all due to Axl's behaviour which was far more unaceptable than the other members who were actually drug addicts but still were more professional than him at the time...Seriously? You really believe everyone else in the band was behaving professionally? Come on man. Nobody was behaving professionally. Absolutely nobody. And if it was your band, and you were surrounded by people that were barely able to keep their heads up, wouldn't you take control of your band or your business? I mean seriously even if you're a business owner if your partners were f***** up and drunk all the time and sticking needles in their arms to the point where they were unconscious for days at a time, wouldn't you take control to? That's not to say the things he actually did or the way he went about it were right, but to say that everyone else was professional and Axl alone wasn't is just ridiculous. Your smarter than that. I've read a lot of your posts. You sound really pissed at Axl more than anything. I think if everyone would honestly realize, all 5 of these guys fucked this band up. They all took part in its demise. Not just the guy who took control over it all, all be it to an obsessive level. And another thing. Illusions did not kill the band either. Illusions are great and I'm thankful we have at least the 3 full length records, and the one EP from the orignal band. Do I wish it woulda lasted longer? Fuck n A yes I do. But all this blaming Slash, Axl or whomever manager they had is just stupid. All 5 members put themselves where they ended up. It may be your or others opiniuns some are more responsible than another, I for one do not. They each made there beds, now there lieing in it. Just seems Duff and Izzy are the only two not completely filled with either bitterness or regret. And good for them. Edited August 9, 2013 by ll_tj1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooker Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 He tried to get Axl sacked from the band before UYI. Bad move. He didn't try to do that. He made a suggestion and all due to Axl's behaviour which was far more unaceptable than the other members who were actually drug addicts but still were more professional than him at the time...Seriously? You really believe everyone else in the band was behaving professionally? Come on man. Nobody was behaving professionally. Absolutely nobody. And if it was your band, and you were surrounded by people that were barely able to keep their heads up, wouldn't you take control of your band or your business? I mean seriously even if you're a business owner if your partners were f***** up and drunk all the time and sticking needles in their arms to the point where they were unconscious for days at a time, wouldn't you take control to? That's not to say the things he actually did or the way he went about it were right, but to say that everyone else was professional and Axl alone wasn't is just ridiculous. Your smarter than that. I've read a lot of your posts. You sound really pissed at Axl more than anything. I think if everyone would honestly realize, all 5 of these guys fucked this band up. They all took part in its demise. Not just the guy who took control over it all, all be it to an obsessive level. And another thing. Illusions did not kill the band either. Illusions are great and I'm thankful we have at least the 3 full length records, and the one EP from the orignal band. Do I wish it woulda lasted longer? Fuck n A yes I do. But all this blaming Slash, Axl or whomever manager they had is just stupid. All 5 members put themselves where they ended up. It may be your or others opiniuns some are more responsible than another, I for one do not. They each made there beds, now there lieing in it. Just seems Duff and Izzy are the only two not completely filled with either bitterness or regret. And good for them.Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spark Posted August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 9, 2013 He tried to get Axl sacked from the band before UYI. Bad move. He didn't try to do that. He made a suggestion and all due to Axl's behaviour which was far more unaceptable than the other members who were actually drug addicts but still were more professional than him at the time...Seriously? You really believe everyone else in the band was behaving professionally? Come on man. Nobody was behaving professionally. Absolutely nobody. And if it was your band, and you were surrounded by people that were barely able to keep their heads up, wouldn't you take control of your band or your business? I mean seriously even if you're a business owner if your partners were f***** up and drunk all the time and sticking needles in their arms to the point where they were unconscious for days at a time, wouldn't you take control to? That's not to say the things he actually did or the way he went about it were right, but to say that everyone else was professional and Axl alone wasn't is just ridiculous. Your smarter than that. I've read a lot of your posts. You sound really pissed at Axl more than anything. I think if everyone would honestly realize, all 5 of these guys fucked this band up. They all took part in its demise. Not just the guy who took control over it all, all be it to an obsessive level. And another thing. Illusions did not kill the band either. Illusions are great and I'm thankful we have at least the 3 full length records, and the one EP from the orignal band. Do I wish it woulda lasted longer? Fuck n A yes I do. But all this blaming Slash, Axl or whomever manager they had is just stupid. All 5 members put themselves where they ended up. It may be your or others opiniuns some are more responsible than another, I for one do not. They each made there beds, now there lieing in it. Just seems Duff and Izzy are the only two not completely filled with either bitterness or regret. And good for them.I agree, everyone played a part in the destruction. I dont mean to single Axl out, I only wanted an opinion on the management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ll_tj1 Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 He tried to get Axl sacked from the band before UYI. Bad move. He didn't try to do that. He made a suggestion and all due to Axl's behaviour which was far more unaceptable than the other members who were actually drug addicts but still were more professional than him at the time...Seriously? You really believe everyone else in the band was behaving professionally? Come on man. Nobody was behaving professionally. Absolutely nobody. And if it was your band, and you were surrounded by people that were barely able to keep their heads up, wouldn't you take control of your band or your business? I mean seriously even if you're a business owner if your partners were f***** up and drunk all the time and sticking needles in their arms to the point where they were unconscious for days at a time, wouldn't you take control to? That's not to say the things he actually did or the way he went about it were right, but to say that everyone else was professional and Axl alone wasn't is just ridiculous. Your smarter than that. I've read a lot of your posts. You sound really pissed at Axl more than anything. I think if everyone would honestly realize, all 5 of these guys fucked this band up. They all took part in its demise. Not just the guy who took control over it all, all be it to an obsessive level. And another thing. Illusions did not kill the band either. Illusions are great and I'm thankful we have at least the 3 full length records, and the one EP from the orignal band. Do I wish it woulda lasted longer? Fuck n A yes I do. But all this blaming Slash, Axl or whomever manager they had is just stupid. All 5 members put themselves where they ended up. It may be your or others opiniuns some are more responsible than another, I for one do not. They each made there beds, now there lieing in it. Just seems Duff and Izzy are the only two not completely filled with either bitterness or regret. And good for them.I agree, everyone played a part in the destruction. I dont mean to single Axl out, I only wanted an opinion on the management.I did not intend to single any one statement out, I certainly understand where your coming from. I also understand where Andre is coming from. I was just trying to point out the obvious. A lot of us are so passionate about this band that when things seem to hit come to a hault, or even worse, we believe it may be all over, we, myself included, ive done my fair share of blaming and bashing Axl and Slash mostly. But honestly at one point or another, I've pointed fingured at all of them. But, we hit that wall of frustration and it boils over into this kind of stuff. And I just think its counterproductive, for life in general. Not just GNR related crap. Andre-wasn't trying to attack your post my friend, I've read many of your posts over the years. And you always seem to have very interesting points. I was just simply pointing out I didn't agree with you that Axl was unprofessional more so than anyone else. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreCC Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I'm not putting all the blame on Axl, but isn't it funny that even though they were all fucked up and all drugged up, they kept their shit together and still were able to be on shows on time, while the other Madonna would be having dinner somewhere and making his audience waiting?! Isn't that extremely funny? i think it is...The fact is, Axl quit the band, and wanted to sign all his then members so they could sign out their careers to him and so he could have control in the direction of the band, also what's so suttle about it is that he completely changed their financial status in GNR... making Axl the one who would have more 0's on the paycheck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ll_tj1 Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I'm not putting all the blame on Axl, but isn't it funny that even though they were all fucked up and all drugged up, they kept their shit together and still were able to be on shows on time, while the other Madonna would be having dinner somewhere and making his audience waiting?! Isn't that extremely funny? i think it is...The fact is, Axl quit the band, and wanted to sign all his then members so they could sign out their careers to him and so he could have control in the direction of the band, also what's so suttle about it is that he completely changed their financial status in GNR... making Axl the one who would have more 0's on the paycheck... Your right, his whole diva complex was quite ridiculous. But no worse than Mercury, Roth, Weiland, ect, the list goes on and on. For whatever reason, singers are fucking crazy. It's difficult to find a great one that doesn't have serious me, me, me issues, and believe the world revolves around them. As to the guys that were fucked up making it to shows on time, Its a given they all had "handlers". People who's job it was to keep them happy and at the very least know where they were, and escort them wherever they wanted to go. It's not like Slash, in his state, could just fly into Philidelelphia, and hop into a car and drive all over town on his own. People were put in charge of them to keep them satisfied, and certainly to prevent them from bringing any harm to anyone else, ala drunk driving ect. These ever changing people in each differing city were also individually responsible with getting them to there show on time. And it's not like any of them didn't like playing live. They loved it. So as long as they weren't going thru withdrawals, and had been kept happy, or just left alone the day of the show, I'm sure it wasn't that hard to knock on Duffs hotel door and say "Mr. McKagen, your limo is waiting for you, and is ready to leave" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I like him, because he didn't call himself "almanager". What a douchebag move would that be, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreCC Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I'm not putting all the blame on Axl, but isn't it funny that even though they were all fucked up and all drugged up, they kept their shit together and still were able to be on shows on time, while the other Madonna would be having dinner somewhere and making his audience waiting?! Isn't that extremely funny? i think it is...The fact is, Axl quit the band, and wanted to sign all his then members so they could sign out their careers to him and so he could have control in the direction of the band, also what's so suttle about it is that he completely changed their financial status in GNR... making Axl the one who would have more 0's on the paycheck...Your right, his whole diva complex was quite ridiculous. But no worse than Mercury, Roth, Weiland, ect, the list goes on and on. For whatever reason, singers are fucking crazy. It's difficult to find a great one that doesn't have serious me, me, me issues, and believe the world revolves around them. As to the guys that were fucked up making it to shows on time, Its a given they all had "handlers". People who's job it was to keep them happy and at the very least know where they were, and escort them wherever they wanted to go. It's not like Slash, in his state, could just fly into Philidelelphia, and hop into a car and drive all over town on his own. People were put in charge of them to keep them satisfied, and certainly to prevent them from bringing any harm to anyone else, ala drunk driving ect. These ever changing people in each differing city were also individually responsible with getting them to there show on time. And it's not like any of them didn't like playing live. They loved it. So as long as they weren't going thru withdrawals, and had been kept happy, or just left alone the day of the show, I'm sure it wasn't that hard to knock on Duffs hotel door and say "Mr. McKagen, your limo is waiting for you, and is ready to leave"I will agree with Roth. But i don't consider Scott or Freddie to be prima donnas at all.The disputes Scott had with his band mates were completely different. Drug related and he not being able to get his shit together to finish the tours, not to mention he has to give his wife 60 thousand dollars a month so he needs to keep working and touring nonstop just to pay her.It's different than having a singer having dinner with a girl somewhere while his band and audience is already waiting for 1 to 2 hours for him to appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spark Posted August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 9, 2013 He tried to get Axl sacked from the band before UYI. Bad move. He didn't try to do that. He made a suggestion and all due to Axl's behaviour which was far more unaceptable than the other members who were actually drug addicts but still were more professional than him at the time...Seriously? You really believe everyone else in the band was behaving professionally? Come on man. Nobody was behaving professionally. Absolutely nobody. And if it was your band, and you were surrounded by people that were barely able to keep their heads up, wouldn't you take control of your band or your business? I mean seriously even if you're a business owner if your partners were f***** up and drunk all the time and sticking needles in their arms to the point where they were unconscious for days at a time, wouldn't you take control to? That's not to say the things he actually did or the way he went about it were right, but to say that everyone else was professional and Axl alone wasn't is just ridiculous. Your smarter than that. I've read a lot of your posts. You sound really pissed at Axl more than anything. I think if everyone would honestly realize, all 5 of these guys fucked this band up. They all took part in its demise. Not just the guy who took control over it all, all be it to an obsessive level. And another thing. Illusions did not kill the band either. Illusions are great and I'm thankful we have at least the 3 full length records, and the one EP from the orignal band. Do I wish it woulda lasted longer? Fuck n A yes I do. But all this blaming Slash, Axl or whomever manager they had is just stupid. All 5 members put themselves where they ended up. It may be your or others opiniuns some are more responsible than another, I for one do not. They each made there beds, now there lieing in it. Just seems Duff and Izzy are the only two not completely filled with either bitterness or regret. And good for them.I agree, everyone played a part in the destruction. I dont mean to single Axl out, I only wanted an opinion on the management.I did not intend to single any one statement out, I certainly understand where your coming from. I also understand where Andre is coming from. I was just trying to point out the obvious. A lot of us are so passionate about this band that when things seem to hit come to a hault, or even worse, we believe it may be all over, we, myself included, ive done my fair share of blaming and bashing Axl and Slash mostly. But honestly at one point or another, I've pointed fingured at all of them. But, we hit that wall of frustration and it boils over into this kind of stuff. And I just think its counterproductive, for life in general. Not just GNR related crap.Andre-wasn't trying to attack your post my friend, I've read many of your posts over the years. And you always seem to have very interesting points. I was just simply pointing out I didn't agree with you that Axl was unprofessional more so than anyone else. That's all."Many of my posts"? dude I just signed up here, are you confusing me with someone else maybe?But anyway I know what you mean, We get so frustrated about everything & I have gone through peroids where I hate Axl & then I love him again & the same for Slash/Izzy/Duff etc etc....It's foolish to blame any one person for the downfall of the band (no one has that much power unless you let them) when it took all 5 of them to build it & all 5 to tear it down.I think we fans overanalize it because we want answers & we get bored when nothing happens.I thought Niven was an interesting guy who seemed to have a lot of answers & I guessed everyone here had strong opinions about him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ll_tj1 Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 He tried to get Axl sacked from the band before UYI. Bad move. He didn't try to do that. He made a suggestion and all due to Axl's behaviour which was far more unaceptable than the other members who were actually drug addicts but still were more professional than him at the time...Seriously? You really believe everyone else in the band was behaving professionally? Come on man. Nobody was behaving professionally. Absolutely nobody. And if it was your band, and you were surrounded by people that were barely able to keep their heads up, wouldn't you take control of your band or your business? I mean seriously even if you're a business owner if your partners were f***** up and drunk all the time and sticking needles in their arms to the point where they were unconscious for days at a time, wouldn't you take control to? That's not to say the things he actually did or the way he went about it were right, but to say that everyone else was professional and Axl alone wasn't is just ridiculous. Your smarter than that. I've read a lot of your posts. You sound really pissed at Axl more than anything. I think if everyone would honestly realize, all 5 of these guys fucked this band up. They all took part in its demise. Not just the guy who took control over it all, all be it to an obsessive level. And another thing. Illusions did not kill the band either. Illusions are great and I'm thankful we have at least the 3 full length records, and the one EP from the orignal band. Do I wish it woulda lasted longer? Fuck n A yes I do. But all this blaming Slash, Axl or whomever manager they had is just stupid. All 5 members put themselves where they ended up. It may be your or others opiniuns some are more responsible than another, I for one do not. They each made there beds, now there lieing in it. Just seems Duff and Izzy are the only two not completely filled with either bitterness or regret. And good for them.I agree, everyone played a part in the destruction. I dont mean to single Axl out, I only wanted an opinion on the management.I did not intend to single any one statement out, I certainly understand where your coming from. I also understand where Andre is coming from. I was just trying to point out the obvious. A lot of us are so passionate about this band that when things seem to hit come to a hault, or even worse, we believe it may be all over, we, myself included, ive done my fair share of blaming and bashing Axl and Slash mostly. But honestly at one point or another, I've pointed fingured at all of them. But, we hit that wall of frustration and it boils over into this kind of stuff. And I just think its counterproductive, for life in general. Not just GNR related crap.Andre-wasn't trying to attack your post my friend, I've read many of your posts over the years. And you always seem to have very interesting points. I was just simply pointing out I didn't agree with you that Axl was unprofessional more so than anyone else. That's all."Many of my posts"? dude I just signed up here, are you confusing me with someone else maybe?But anyway I know what you mean, We get so frustrated about everything & I have gone through peroids where I hate Axl & then I love him again & the same for Slash/Izzy/Duff etc etc....It's foolish to blame any one person for the downfall of the band (no one has that much power unless you let them) when it took all 5 of them to build it & all 5 to tear it down.I think we fans overanalize it because we want answers & we get bored when nothing happens.I thought Niven was an interesting guy who seemed to have a lot of answers & I guessed everyone here had strong opinions about him..Spark - The "I've read many of your posts" was meant for Andre. Sorry for the confusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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