Gallagher Rose Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 (edited) “If you are going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy.” - Perfection??Axl's fave word“Ego is the man, the male image. Ego is the phallic symbol, the helmet, the gun. The man behind the gun, the mind behind the man behind the gun. My philosophy is that ego is the thinking mind. The mind you scheme with, make war with. They shoved all the love in the back, hid it away. Ego is like, "I'm going to war with my ego stick."” - Yes,Axl reconstructed a band by himself. “So for you people who are filled with fear that I might someday be released: breathe easy, I don't see it happening.” - Chinese Democracy??? “I'm probably one of the most dangerous men in the world if I want to be. But I never wanted to be anything but me.” - Yes,the most dangerous lead singer of the most dangerous band ever.“My relationship to music is completely subliminal, it just flows through me.” - There will never be a democracy in China.“Your Honor, I am in a difficult position. The news media has already executed me and buried me...If anyone is hypnotized, the people are hypnotized by the lies being told to them...There is no attorney in the world who can represent me as a person. I have to do it myself.” - The recluse side of Axl Rose,wanting to stay away from the media. Edited January 31, 2006 by bucketheadisgod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyMonk Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 No doubt Charles Manson was a very clever man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersillyspacemonkey Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 shame he killed all those people.he seemed to be as cool a guy as axl if he wasnt a crazy person who killed people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGS Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 “My relationship to music is completely subliminal, it just flows through me.” i like this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_me Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 “I'm probably one of the most dangerous men in the world if I want to be. But I never wanted to be anything but me.” - Yes,the most dangerous lead singer of the most dangerous band ever.I really don't think you can compare Axl, or GNR being 'dangerous' to Charles Manson being dangerous.I know which one I'd rather meet in a dark alley.“So for you people who are filled with fear that I might someday be released: breathe easy, I don't see it happening.” - Chinese Democracy??? Again I can't see any real comparison. For a start Axl is the only thing stopping CD being released. Secondly can you really compare a serial killer (or a man who inspired serial killers if you want to be precise) to an album?“My relationship to music is completely subliminal, it just flows through me.” - There will never be a democracy in China.I could see the quote itself relating to Axl, but not in the way you've explained it.Other than that its an interesting theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokingarthur Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 Yes this is true. Axl & Manson have many things in common. I like GNR's rendition of Manson's "Look At Your Game Girl" from Spaghetti Inccident. But Axl is not a sick, demented, twisted epitome of evil incarnated in a man. And so you know, Charles Manson was never convicted of killing anyone. He is one of the few men in jail serving life sentences for murders he did not physically commit. More than that, he never witnesed the murders either. Manson also receives 50,000+ letters EVERY WEEK! He is an artist, a writer and a musician. He is intelligent & calculating. But if I had my way, he would have been abacinated long ago. He has no right to life. Do not worry, his fate is sealed. This is not a person who should be praised. I do like some of his poetry, it is quite good. Very similar style to Axl. But he is a pervayer of evil. He has no future because of his actions. And if there is such a thing as divine justice, he will be damned with all the wicked, and will be offered no respite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Matt13 Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 Yes this is true. Axl & Manson have many things in common. I like GNR's rendition of Manson's "Look At Your Game Girl" from Spaghetti Inccident. But Axl is not a sick, demented, twisted epitome of evil incarnated in a man. And so you know, Charles Manson was never convicted of killing anyone. He is one of the few men in jail serving life sentences for murders he did not physically commit. More than that, he never witnesed the murders either. Manson also receives 50,000+ letters EVERY WEEK! He is an artist, a writer and a musician. He is intelligent & calculating. But if I had my way, he would have been abacinated long ago. He has no right to life. Do not worry, his fate is sealed. This is not a person who should be praised. I do like some of his poetry, it is quite good. Very similar style to Axl. But he is a pervayer of evil. He has no future because of his actions. And if there is such a thing as divine justice, he will be damned with all the wicked, and will be offered no respite.Dude, hats off to you sir. Excellent post. I however think Manson is very 'overrated' when it comes to any kind of talents that he might have. I know just as many pot heads with interesting theories and well versed music and poetry. He just used a bigger stage to convey his shit and is now paying the almost ultimate price. A martyr to many, a scum bag low-life to me. Anyone who thinks that man is great or inspirational is a brainwashed fool. It's just like the millions of Kurt Cobain worshipers that think he's some kind of god... all because he blew his head off. Sure, he wrote some cool music and helped spearhead a new musical genre, but jease, he's no John Lennon or Elvis.I personally think Axl only used his image and did that cover as a publicity stunt... you know... to rock the boat. That's what Axl is an expert at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
there is no dana only zool Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 No doubt Charles Manson was a very clever man.i actually think this is one of the biggest misconceptions about someone ever. I'm not saying this to sound like a righteous, good-not-evil kind of person- but the things that Manson said that people try to use as evidence for his high intelligence are really just very general things to begin with. Read some of his other philosophies; they are completely whacked out and don't make much sense. The guy's really just a cultural icon, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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none Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 I might get slammed for saying this but i think Manson rivals any of the great 60's folk singers, his music would have been released if he didnt go insane. He had support back then, but they quickly became scared of him. Manson also has a record produced by Brian Wilson thats never seen the light of day. It was locked in a vault the day of the murders, Noone knows if the recordings have ever been heard by Brian or anyone else since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
there is no dana only zool Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 I might get slammed for saying this but i think Manson rivals any of the great 60's folk singersI have the LIE album... and although I'm not sure I'd say that it is particularly high quality folk music (but then again, i don't really know much "folk" to begin with, so, you know...), nontheless it is a fucking awesome album. the songs are totally interesting to listen to. pretty catchy and addictive................................. also one of those albums i used to listen to constantly when life was at a very high point--- and thankfully, i'm coming back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
November_rain Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 Don´t remain silent Charlie...defend yourself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 the main thing is that he didn't achieve anything. he might have said some coolqoutes but nothing of what he said actually happened and he had a hand getting some people killed. so he just seems like he didnt know what the hell he was doing and ended up in jail. that's genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agoraphobicwhacko Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 You guys have way too much time on your hands. Whats next? An essay marking the similarities between Axl and Rumpelstiltskin? Axl and Ronald Reagan? Pol Pot? Willy Wonka? We just got Kubrick and Manson out of the way, maybe try for Spielberg or Ed Gein this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almost Famous Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 shame he killed all those people.he seemed to be as cool a guy as axl if he wasnt a crazy person who killed peopleToo bad he didn't kill anyone. His cult did.Write to Charlie:Charles MansonB-33920PO Box 3476Corcoran, CA 93212-3476 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersillyspacemonkey Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 shame he killed all those people.he seemed to be as cool a guy as axl if he wasnt a crazy person who killed peopleToo bad he didn't kill anyone. His cult did.Write to Charlie:Charles MansonB-33920PO Box 3476Corcoran, CA 93212-3476same thing :krider: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallagher Rose Posted January 31, 2006 Author Share Posted January 31, 2006 You guys have way too much time on your hands. Whats next? An essay marking the similarities between Axl and Rumpelstiltskin? Axl and Ronald Reagan? Pol Pot? Willy Wonka? We just got Kubrick and Manson out of the way, maybe try for Spielberg or Ed Gein this time. I Think Axl Rose really appreciates Charles Manson.. and it's time to talk about the influences of Mr. Manson in his life.It's a discussion about Guns n' Roses and Axl Rose,unfortunately some people just want to talk about Chinese Democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almost Famous Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Axl Rose, lead singer of Guns N' Roses, has introducedconvicted mass murderer Charlie Manson to a generation of youngfans. Over the objections of other members of G N'R, Rose includeda version of a song by Manson, _Look at Your Game, Girl_, on theirnew album, _The Spaghetti Incident?_ Audible on the album afterthe unlisted song is Axl heaving a sigh and saying, "Thanks,Chazz." Manson stands to earn $62,000 for every million copies ofthe album sold. Thankfully, the album seems to be sinking swiftlyin sales.Most of the controversy over the recording has focused onManson's leadership of the group that killed actress Sharon Tate,then pregnant, and six others in 1969. He was convicted of sevencounts of murder, and separately found guilty of murdering a stuntman and a musician. The Doris Tate Crime Victims Bureau, named forthe actress's mother, has called for a boycott of Geffen Records. But did you know about Manson's nazi beliefs and practicesboth prior to and after his arrest for the Tate mass murder?Manson has often been photographed with a self-inscribed swastikatattoo. His avowed purpose in planning the killings was to blamethem on blacks and try to foment an apocalyptic race war. Eveninside prison, Manson continued to associate with neo-nazis. In 1982, Manson was visited repeatedly at Vacaville prison bynorthern California nazi leader Perry "Red" Warthan. Warthanshortly thereafter killed one of his own teen-age followers, JoeHoover, after Hoover admitted that he and other members ofWarthan's band had stuffed racist flyers into lockers at Oroville,CA High School. Support for Manson was part of Warthan's programin seeking to organize a group of youthful neo-nazis. In June,1983 Warthan was sentenced to prison for murdering Hoover, whom hecalled a race traitor and informant who deserved to die. Manson's earnings from the G N'R song are supposed to go tothe son of one of his victims, under the terms of a 1971 courtorder. But Manson has pocketed most of the money he made over hisyears in prison, including tens of thousands of dollars forinterviews and cash sent in by supporters and fans. Ignoring his nazism, "Satanism" and mass murders--or perhapsglorifying him because of it--young fans have made Manson a cultfigure, and exploitative entrepreneurs have rushed in to make aquick buck. Manson shirts, dresses, and children's clothes areavailable. Some are bootlegged, but at least one, which Axl Rosepopularized by wearing on Guns N' Roses last tour, is officiallylicensed by Manson himself. The T-shirt is produced in southern California by the Lemmonsbrothers of Zooport Riot Gear in Newport Beach and pays Manson tencents for each shirt. Dan Lemmons of Zooport told the press, "There's a good side to Charlie that hasn't gotton out...Kids today don't look at Charlie Manson as a mass murderer. He's like a rebellious figure." Perhaps it is the neo-nazi nature of Manson's rebelliousness thatmakes him such an appealing figure to the Lemmons brothers. Theyare giving "a good chunk of the proceeds" from the Manson shirt---they won't say exactly how much--- to Randall Terry's anti-abortion group ["Opperation 'Rescue'"].In defending the shirt, which shows Manson and the slogan "CharlieDon't Surf", Lemmons said to the _San Francisco Examiner_, "People get all worked up over some murders that happened almost 25 years ago. Why not be concerned with the babies who are murdered in the U.S. every year."This comment was made in reference to his anti-abortion beliefs.The Lemmons also referred to Manson as a philanthropist andenvironmentalist. Manson's "environmentalism" is probably akinto the anti-immigrant, preserve the white-man's land varietypreached by neo-nazi Tom Metzger. Axl Rose and Guns N'Roses were promoted heavily by Metzger andWAR when, on an early album, they recorded lyrics attacking gaysand immigrants. Rose claimed at the time that he was only singing,and that his views were not racist. But with the flap over Manson,and his promotion of the shirt which is benefitting both neo-nazimurderer Manson and the Christian-fascistic Operation Rescue, AxlRose's true colors are showing through. What is the justification for a musician glorifying a man whokilled a musician? What is the hypocrisy of abortion opponentspromoting a man whose followers stabbed a pregnant woman to death,killing her after she pleaded for the life of her unborn child,stabbing her in the abdomen with a fork? What is the popularityamong young rock fans of a man whose nazi associate murdered ateenaged band member for confessing to circulating racist flyers? This is the sinister appeal of the irrational that promoteswhat Wilhelm Reich referred to as "the mass psychology of fascism."It is rooted in racism, hatred of women's independence, and adesire for fascist authority disguised as "rebelliousness." Onlyan intense cultural and social struggle among young white peoplewill overcome these unhealthy tendencies.___--Reprinted from Turning the Tide, a bi-monthly journal of anti-racist activism, research, and education available from P.A.R.T.(People Against Racist Terror), PO Box 1990 Burbank, CA 91507 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_me Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Axl Rose, lead singer of Guns N' Roses, has introducedconvicted mass murderer Charlie Manson to a generation of youngfans. Over the objections of other members of G N'R, Rose includeda version of a song by Manson, _Look at Your Game, Girl_, on theirnew album, _The Spaghetti Incident?_ Audible on the album afterthe unlisted song is Axl heaving a sigh and saying, "Thanks,Chazz." Manson stands to earn $62,000 for every million copies ofthe album sold. Thankfully, the album seems to be sinking swiftlyin sales.I assume I don't actually need to tell anyone here this, but Manson makes nothing from TSI. The money goes to the family of one of his victims.I do think Manson wrote some good songs. Not great but good.I also liked some of Hitlers paintings. (They were in a museum somewhere or other. He had a thing for street scenes, and was one of those obnoxious people who would draw in every single brick on the houses.)Doesn't change the fact that neither of them should have had other people killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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