GNR Women's discussion

[Jane M.]

5 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

I dunno whose fault is that, Killuridols or Slash

OMG

[tiutso]

1 hour ago, nonok said:

psycho "powers"

hey, not to be rude, but i think the word you're looking for is 'psychic'? 'psycho powers' sounds like something a bit different  (although that might apply to him, too? according to some people )

Edited November 5, 2016 by tiutso

[SerenityScorp]

Fame, money and power drove the band apart, says Niven. “Axl wanted to take control. Slash no longer had a drug problem – he could afford them. Izzy wanted to find his missing million dollars. The missing million, by the way, was not missing, it was in an escrow account. It was to be released when Guns booked a tour of a certain size, or had recouped the other $1.5 million they had already received as an advance against merchandise sales. Try explaining that to a paranoid coke-head. ‘What’s a – sniff! – escrow account, Niv? – Sniff! – Oh yeah, its like a bank account – sniff! So why can’t I – sniff! – write a cheque?’.”

[SerenityScorp]

4 minutes ago, tiutso said:

hey, not to be rude, but i think the word you're looking for is 'psychic'? 'psycho powers' sounds like something a bit different  (although that might apply to him, too? according to some people )

I feel like Izzy is more psycho with all the weapons He bought, No one dare to steal anything from Izzy or He will blow Your head

Edited November 5, 2016 by SerenityScorp

[marlingrl03]

Duff lookin good night! 

 

[Frey]

17 minutes ago, Jane M. said:

23 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

I dunno whose fault is that, Killuridols or Slash

OMG

Out of likes, but I lol'd too

Poor Axl

33 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

@Frey I don't like Courtney either, but she is very popular on the LA scene. She's very much a socialite who's always posting pictures of herself with the celebrities of the moment. She's part of that Jenner/Kardashian shit that Axl seems to be in with too. Courtney and Axls paths have more than likely crossed much more than we know over all these years, and he does right to be a bit afraid of her, I think Courtney could take Axl on  

And she'd just love to "take him on" too I vaguely remember Courtney talking about Axl being hot and having the most beautiful nose in rock n roll or something...

 

 

[marlingrl03]

Alright girls....whose bra was that lol?! 

 

[SerenityScorp]

3 minutes ago, marlingrl03 said:

Duff lookin good night! 

 

He's such a tease! Bet He did tht cause Slash didnt look Him anymore with heart eyes since Slash reconciled with Axl

[Jane M.]

5 minutes ago, marlingrl03 said:

Alright girls....whose bra was that lol?! 

 

The bra belongs to @killuridols

[marlingrl03]

5 minutes ago, Jane M. said:

The bra belongs to @killuridols

Those were my thoughts!!!

[SerenityScorp]

Someone need to throw a shirt /banner with words Slaxl on it 

or just write We invite You Slash Axl Duff  to Women Thread Party

Edited November 5, 2016 by SerenityScorp

[marlingrl03]

11 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

He's such a tease! Bet He did tht cause Slash didnt look Him anymore with heart eyes since Slash reconciled with Axl

Out of likes but you are most likely spot on! Tis ok Duff, we still love ya! 

[Słash]

59 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

http://teamrock.com/feature/2016-11-05/archive-guns-n-roses-self-destruction-blues

 

Niven had been fired as GN’R manager the year before, but “when the riot went down, Iz [Izzy Stradlin] was over to my place in a heartbeat for a brown bag containing my .357 Magnum and beaucoup ammo. After the riot I bought him a gas-powered 12-gauge shotgun used by the LA SWAT teams. That’s a serious piece of ordinance. I took him to the gun club to teach him how to use it. The target basically dissolves in a rapid-fire hail of slugs. I ask him: ‘Feel safer now?’ ‘Yeah Niv,’ he says, with a big grin on his face.

 

Izzy is more paranoid N' dangerous than Axl 

 

Yeah well no wonder its so hard to negotiate with Izzy lol

[SerenityScorp]

“Let’s see now,” says Niven. “Before the release of Appetite For Destruction – note the fuckin’ name – Axl had no previous experience of Slash and Izzy and their behaviour. Right. They were brought together during some American Idol auditions. Yeah, that was it. The Hell Hole behind The Guitar Centre never existed. Iz never sold smack. Axl was never on the run from the cops. They were all just little ol’ choirboys before all those awful temptations of success occurred.”

He laughs: “C’mon. It actually got toned down once the career began to roll, and Doug [Goldstein, Niven's former assistant who succeeded him as GN'R's manager] began his clean-up duties. Y’know what I am proud of? That they are all alive today. It wouldn’t have been the case if history had taken other turns – if we hadn’t done our best to keep everyone alive.”

[SerenityScorp]

[MillionsOfSpiders]

Does Stevens girlfriend remind anyone else of Katy Perry? 

[nonok]

1 hour ago, tiutso said:

hey, not to be rude, but i think the word you're looking for is 'psychic'? 'psycho powers' sounds like something a bit different  (although that might apply to him, too? according to some people )

whoops, you're right. My English cracked like Axl's voice in Back In Black when he was sick.

[Jane M.]

Carolina seems to be a complete sweetheart. She's very pretty too.

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Of the new GN’R, Niven says: “Everyone has the right to make the music they want to with whomever they wish. But just be up ’n’ up about it. All this ‘last man standing’ stuff from Axl is horseshit. He wore us all out. Drove us all off. And for a personality like Axl, only solo work makes sense. If he wants to be Elton Rose then more power to him. He has the talent. But don’t pretend that one person alone represents the idea of Guns N’ Roses. That band, in my opinion, played its last show on April 7, 1990. Farm Aid, Indianapolis

I agree with Niven on this. 

Edited November 5, 2016 by Jane M.
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[Słash]

12 minutes ago, Jane M. said:

Carolina seems to be a complete sweetheart. She's very pretty too.

Yeah she seems like a very nice person, I love Steven but I really salute her for putting up with a person like Steven Adler.

I have a feeling she is maybe not that comfortable with Susan and Meegan.  

[Frey]

52 minutes ago, Jane M. said:

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Of the new GN’R, Niven says: “Everyone has the right to make the music they want to with whomever they wish. But just be up ’n’ up about it. All this ‘last man standing’ stuff from Axl is horseshit. He wore us all out. Drove us all off. And for a personality like Axl, only solo work makes sense. If he wants to be Elton Rose then more power to him. He has the talent. But don’t pretend that one person alone represents the idea of Guns N’ Roses. That band, in my opinion, played its last show on April 7, 1990. Farm Aid, Indianapolis

I agree with Niven on this. 

I don't. On the one hand Alan Niven likes to talk about Axl being autistic or having various mental illnesses, on the other hand he keeps whining about how much of a burden he was to everyone around him. That kind of thinking leads down an ugly road, so for that alone I can't take him seriously. Not to mention all the other crazy shit that's come out of his mouth.

And no matter how exhausting and difficult Axl might have been to deal with, I find it really hard to believe that he was 100% responsible for the band's demise and just "drove everyone off". The more I learn about Slash, Izzy, Steven and Duff (to a lesser extent), the less credible I find this often propagated version of events.

 

 

Edited November 5, 2016 by Frey

[Lumikki]

4 hours ago, Frey said:

20 hours ago, Blackstar said:

@Rocketqueen76, @Frey, here are two quotes from the book I mentioned. Bryn Bridenthal was (is?) publicity head in Geffen. She was very close to the band, and seemingly to Axl in particular (maybe she still is).

The first one is about Kurt's death (Nirvana was also in Geffen) and Axl's reaction on it (something I've always wondered about):

It's strange that Axl felt such a strong connection with Kurt that he could come to the point to hurt himself. The fact that he liked Nirvana and that he maybe felt he had things in common with Kurt as a person isn't enough of an explanation; he barely knew him. I suspect that it had to do with Axl's beliefs in past lives and all that.

10 hours ago, Lumikki said:

Thank you for posting these, those are definitely new to me as well.

I am absolutely baffled that she would be so worried about Axl hurting himself over Kurt Cobain's death. You're right, what you describe isn't enough of an explanation. Past life thing... maybe, but that'd still be incredibly weird and "a bit" of an over-reaction.

I guess it also depends what she means by hurting himself. Self-harming behavior? Suicide attempts? Destroying furniture and hurting himself in the process? Taking drugs?  Though all of these seem way too extreme to me considering their (non-)relationship.

Not too long ago I was talking to @killuridols and @Andy14 about Axl cutting himself with razor blades. Supposedly he stopped doing that because he didn't want to be left with scars and figured it was better to destroy his stuff instead of his body, but maybe he didn't completely stop that kind of thing and Bryn Bridenthal was worried about something along these lines? Or something similiar to the incident where he swallowed an entire bottle of pills during a fight with Erin?

No matter what though, I can't really wrap my head around it. This is one of these stories that seem to indicate that Axl might be way more messed up than we tend to think even.

As for the second story, I don't even know what to say to that one. So Axl can magically tell if people are fucking Courtney Love? Uhm, interesting skill to have, I guess...

And why does he need vibe sniffers if he's so talented at this himself

... is just bizarre.

I can't wrap my head around Axl potentially reacting like that to Kurt Cobain's death either.

Maybe Bryn Bridenthal was also over-estimating just how sensitive and emotionally unstable Axl is. Or she knows what she's talking about, in which case... urgh. How did they ever dare to leave him out of their sight?

Also what? Axl used to self-harm with razor blades?

First time I've heard that.

God, what a messed up kid he must have been. Shit like that nearly makes me go all Sinead O'Connor too. And I look nothing like Sinead O'Connor

 

20 hours ago, Blackstar said:

The second quote is about Courtney Love. There was this bit in the 2000 RS article: 

After a shouting match with Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love backstage at the 1992 MTV Video Music Awards at UCLA's Pauley Pavillion, Axl told a friend that Love was trying to possess him. "He believes people are always trying to find a window through to control his energy," a friend says.

Here there's more about it:

This obviously has to do with the new age stuff. It seems that Axl was scared of her. I've been wondering if there was a back story between them. Courtney Love was a stripper in L.A. for some time and I remember reading her saying that one of the reasons Kurt hated Axl was the stories from strip clubs she was telling him.

I already commented on this in my reply to @nonok, but yeah, WTF

Special abilities indigo child Axl starts now.

This story also reminds me of Axl getting upset about Buckethead's disgusting porn, because he didn't want to have these vibes in the studio either.

And strip club stories? What? Never heard about this.

8 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

About Axl hurting Himself with razor blade N' pills where I could read tht, Axl's sensitive Guy, I know I shouldnt have said this but I'm glad He didnt ended like Kurt.

 

Axl cutting himself:

How do you explain your volatile nature?

When I get stressed, I get violent and take it out on myself. I've pulled razor blades on myself but then realized that having a scar is more detrimental than not having a stereo. I'd rather kick in my stereo than cut my arm. I'd rather kick my stereo in than go punch somebody in the face. When I get mad or upset or emotional, sometimes I'll walk over and play my piano.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-rolling-stone-interview-axl-rose-19890810

He talks about swallowing a bunch of pills during the 1991 Kurt Loder interview for example, when talking about Coma. Someone once posted an article with Tom Zutaut talking abou that incident as well.

 

Also welcome to the Sinead O'Connor club. I was apparently channelling Sinead O'Connor before I knew she felt the same way about Axl as me.

And yes, similar to the Buckethead issue. It seems like Axl really wanted CD to be "pure" and "clean" (in a spiritual sense, I guess) and everything he considered dirty and not pure enough (violent pornography, Courtney Love ) was not welcome.

As for the strip clubs, Courtney even referenced something about a strip club when she was recently defending Axl and said that he was misunderstood.

 

6 hours ago, nonok said:

The fact that he's such an enigma and no matter what he does we can't figure him out is probably why we all still defend him so much and root for him despite all the shit in his head and in his world. So let's not hate this wonderful, weird and insane creature without knowing what's really going on in his head. We all love him deep down inside... More often than not in some other places as well.

Yes. I also believe that Axl is actually not a bad person, even a pretty good one these days when you take away all the bullshit and externalities. Since we're being all spiritual and new age-y here at the moment, I'm gonna put it this way: Unlike a lot of people in this world, Axl doesn't give me bad person vibes. Messed up and stuggling person vibes? Yes. But not bad or evil.

I like what Robert John says here in this shitty documentary (starts around 7:40):

"I think it hurt Axl when people started leaving. 'Cause you know as much crap as people say about Axl, deep down inside he's got a really, really great heart. Okay? He's hard to deal with at times, in fact extremely hard to deal with at times, but he's a very good person deep down inside and you know, he wants things his way, and when the guys started leaving, I think it really affected him. Because I know certain key band members that he would talk about constantly. And when he talks about something constantly, that's because they hurt him."

Also this: "Because I know certain key band members that he would talk about constantly. And when he talks about something constantly, that's because they hurt him." 

That's something we've already figured out ourselves Pretty obvious with "certain key band members".

 

 

Edited November 5, 2016 by Lumikki

[MillionsOfSpiders]

44 minutes ago, Slash787 said:

Yeah she seems like a very nice person, I love Steven but I really salute her for putting up with a person like Steven Adler.

I have a feeling she is maybe not that comfortable with Susan and Meegan.  

What gives you that impression? Is it because she seems like a normal everyday kind of lass? 

[Eric Cantona]

1 hour ago, SerenityScorp said:

My art is becoming popular, I see

[Jane M.]

35 minutes ago, Frey said:

I don't. On the one hand Alan Niven likes to talk about Axl being autistic or having various mental illnesses, on the other hand he keeps whining about how much of a burden he was to everyone around him. That kind of thinking leads down an ugly road, so for that alone I can't take him seriously. Not to mention all the other crazy shit that's come out of his mouth.

And no matter how exhausting and difficult Axl might have been to deal with, I find it really hard to believe that he was 100% responsible for the band's demise and just "drove everyone off". The more I learn about Slash, Izzy, Steven and Duff (to a lesser extent), the less credible I find this often propagated version of events.

I've always thought Niven had to be a bit insane in the membrane to be able to deal with a band full of crazy mofos like GNR. Like Izzy said, he was the sixth silent member of the band. Equally 

[Kara]

1 hour ago, Frey said:

I don't. On the one hand Alan Niven likes to talk about Axl being autistic or having various mental illnesses, on the other hand he keeps whining about how much of a burden he was to everyone around him. That kind of thinking leads down an ugly road, so for that alone I can't take him seriously. Not to mention all the other crazy shit that's come out of his mouth.

And no matter how exhausting and difficult Axl might have been to deal with, I find it really hard to believe that he was 100% responsible for the band's demise and just "drove everyone off". The more I learn about Slash, Izzy, Steven and Duff (to a lesser extent), the less credible I find this often propagated version of events.

 

 

Jesus. The more I find out about Axl, the more I empathize with him. I really feel for him. From what I can tell, and like it was said in the above video @Lumikki posted, Axl can seem like a dick on the surface but is actually a big softie underneath all that bullshit. I definitely don't think he was the sole person responsible for the fall of GNR. It took a lot more than Axl Rose's ego for that band to fall apart. 

Now, the self harm story has been discredited. What of the autism theory? I've NEVER heard that one before!