ironmt

Where are the mods?

There are none. If there were, a few members wouldn't be here.

Agreed... like you

Shouldn't you be In school this time of day?

Where are the mods?

There are none. If there were, a few members wouldn't be here.

A number of bands do similar packages, so it's not out of the ordinary. Shinedown for example: http://www.shinedown.com/become-a-shinedownnation-member/

They charge $35 a year for nearly an identical package. So with GnR being a much bigger band $50 or $30 whichever you go for, isn't that bad. And who's to say stuff won't get added in the future? Ie, possessing membership giving you access to meet and greets at any gig you attend and so on.

You shouldn't get charged more for LESS because it's GNR. Pretty stupid thing to say.

Metallica is a HUGE name (nobody cares if you like their music or not. That's not the point) and they're charging $55 BUT they offer a hell of a lot more and their forums are free.

http://www.metallica.com/metclub/metclub-join-now.asp

Check out all you get-

"What is the METALLICA Club?

In 1993, the members of Metallica established their own unique Fan Club. The Metallica Club is a way for the band to keep friends, family, and fans fully informed regarding all things 'Tallica. Far more than the name "fan club" would imply, The Metallica Club exists so the band can keep a two-way line of communication open to the people who have supported them over the years. The Club is your ticket to staying up to date about what the band is up to as well as interacting with the band you love. Fully owned and operated by the band itself, the Metallica Club is a fail-safe way to know that all fan voices are heard and all requests are considered. ALL MAIL IS READ. Everyone, especially the band, wants to hear Club Member ideas!

Why should I sign up?

TICKETS AND MEET 'N GREET PASSES

As the Mighty Metallica Machine ploughs across the globe, Metallica Club Members can always be found hanging in the best seats of every stadium, arena or club. Exclusively through the Club, members are given the opportunity to purchase tickets to virtually every show on the tour's itinerary. Best of all, the Club also gives members a chance to live every fan's dream - to meet members of the band backstage! Unfortunately we can't take all the Clubbers at any given show, so to keep this opportunity fair to all members, the Club conducts an online "enter to win" drawing in advance of each tour date.

MEMBERS ONLY SHOWS

Over the years, the band has performed a number of gigs exclusively for Metallica Club Members. Some of these shows are staged in small, intimate clubs or theaters while some have been tour rehearsal shows in large arenas. Either way, these shows give the Club Member an opportunity to see shows that the average fan cannot see.

Since 1995, Metallica has given Club Members access to over 30 gigs that were not available to the general public, including the four 30th Anniversary shows held at the world famous Fillmore in San Francisco. Club Members have also been seen at a few Death Magnetic Rehearsal Shows, the Death Magnetic release parties in Berlin and London, and we can't forget the sweaty little club gigs at The Basement in Nashville, TN, BBC Radio One in London, and the four 2003 rehearsals at the Fillmore. Were you there?

EXCLUSIVE CONTESTS

As if tickets, backstage passes, and exclusive concerts were not enough to make you want to join the Club, there is more! Five lucky Club Members (and their guests) were invited to the band's HQ to, not only listen to some of Death Magnetic before it was released, but to watch the band participate in a radio show hosted by Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins of the Foo Fighters. Club Members also had a chance to go to a special BBQ Party at the Bonnaroo festival as well as a party celebrating Death Magnetic in Denmark.

And that's just what has happened recently. In the past, an extremely lucky contest winner won an all expense paid trip to watch the band record the St. Anger album. In the summer of 2002, Metallica HQ was the home of the "Launch Party." Club Members won a contest to hang out, eat and drink with the members of Metallica. Then the band performed a special show just for them! And back in 1998, eight winners won a contest to, not only go on tour for a week, but to be part of Metallica's road crew, which included their own tour bus!

The Metallica Club is constantly creating new ways to give away hard to obtain prizes. Basically, the shit we give away you CAN NOT FIND ANYWHERE ELSE! A few of the prizes the Club has given away in the past include: tour jackets, VIP passes, loads of autographed materials, band instruments, and even the greasy nuts off James' car used in the "I Disappear" video! The Club is constantly thinking of cooler and more unique prizes to give away. The past speaks for itself, so who knows what will happen next!

SO WHAT! - THE CLUB MAGAZINE

Four times per year, all members of The Metallica Club receive the official magazine of The Metallica Club, So What! This collector's item is a 48-page glossy, full color magazine that brings club members the most Metallica news, photos, and inside information.

The boys are major contributors to each magazine answering your letters, providing personal photos and letters, judging contests, and providing a behind the scenes view that you won't find anywhere else. Each issue of So What! brings the members of the club even farther into the world of Metallica.

A Metallica Club T-Shirt especially designed for club members each year

Personalized membership card

Printed, autographed band picture

Introductory letter from a band member

Catalog of exclusive and discounted Metallica merchandise

MEMBERS ONLY WEBSITE

Club Members also have full access to Metallica.com. You want more? You NEED more! As a Club Member, Metallica.com expands the online Metallica universe by offering more audio and video content, as well as exclusive pictures from the studio and from the road. We’ve also given you the opportunity to stream entire songs and videos as you browse the releases in the Media section. Club Members also get their own message board and chat room to connect with fellow Clubberz across the globe. We also expand the Fan Club Magazine, So What, by giving you a Virtual So What! section that offers up additional content from the cutting room floor and also gives you a chance to catch up on issues that may have been missed. Content is frequently updated which should give you a reason to keep coming back to Metallica.com.

MERCHANDISE

The Metallica Club store offers exclusive, one of a kind Met merchandise to club members only, as well as discounted prices on many of the items you see on tour and in stores. From t-shirts to gear shift knobs to Christmas ornaments to the coveted Fan Can, Metallica Club members have the opportunity to purchase items that you won't find anywhere else.

What is the Fan Can you ask? The Fan Can is a limited edition collector's item containing a CD, a video, a rare t-shirt, and a trinket all packaged in a custom paint can. The can is filled with stuff that is unavailable anywhere else and designed especially for the club! Fan Cans are ONLY available for purchase by members of The Metallica Club and are available every few years. The last was Fan Can VI released in 2010 and is the ONLY video to feature the World Magnetic Tour in the indoor setting. Very few are left, so make sure to grab yours today!

Sounds like a WAY better deal than what you get with GNR and it's VERY fan friendly.

Wow. Metallica goes all out, especially with the members only shows. That's the way a band should treat there fans.

Sooooooooooo! This is just going to be lolcano and Jarmo chatting to each other then?

Jealous? Or just trolling?

Also I know you are a big boy and can come up with something more creative than "lolcano"? it's prettyy old now....that's like so 2009

I have a great sense of humor so give me your best shot

volcunt

Fitting name.

I respect the old band...they got me loving Guns music...but that time has passed imo

It's cool to be inducted into the hof...but for me all I'm hoping for is even the slightest prospect of new studio tracks from Guns during 2012

How about that, someone that prefers the new band, but still has respect for the original band. Nice post, thank you. Take notice Volcano.

They might all be there, but they aren't going to play.

If the original 5 got on stage to play Jungle/PC it would be fucking electric in there. We would see they still had it, Axl would see they still had it, and it would make it impossible to continue carrying on as GNR like he does without making it seem like a second rate knock off. Fans would be clamoring for a reunion like never before, and just wouldn't be tolerant of New GNR anymore seeing that old Guns still had the magic.

Just far too much risk for Axl playing with them.

I think the majority of people would be happy to just see the five of them standing on stage together, and being civil to one another.

People bitch about the Setlist because if he is just going to keep doing glorified greatest hits tours then he might as well call Slash/Izzy/Duff and do it right.

Some of us would like to see the band become more than a glorified touring cover band.

New material is needed to make that happen.

Chinese D needed to take off for that to happen. While it did well, it just could never live up to the hype or deliver better music than the guns material of old. We all love it, but for most fans, the old material is all they ever want to hear. But wtf does the setlist have to do with what u want? If Axl sings The General live, what would that change? If he added more CD to the list, what would that change? What your really looking for is a sign that Axl hasn't given up on the project - reinventing guns - because all die hard message board fans wanted him to succeed in making an even better guns. Not gonna happen. We've landed on a happy compromise. While new guns won't take over the world, they will deliver one of the finest live rock shows money can buy. Without Slash, most fans could care less about new guns music. It's apparent now most fans loved them equally, and they just don't care for one without the other.

Great post. Reinventing Guns will NEVER happen, no matter how bad It might piss off a few members of this board, and lets face It, all though Chinese Democracy was a decent album, It just doesn't stand up to or compare to any of the previous releases from the band(not counting The Spaghetti Incident). The current version of the band puts on a great show and will have a slight advantage If or when they decide to release a new album, as the expectations will be nowhere near as high as they were for Chinese Democracy.

So it was only "epic" because of personal reasons for the writer - not because the show was actually epic. Ok, that makes sense then.

And wow. How defensive the Axl fans get. If you aren't kissing Axl's ass 24/7 then you are a cupcake and a hater. Funny.

I am slowly learning that that Is the situation on this board. We seem to have a double set of circumstances. If you bring up any type of flaw with the new band, or have a difference In opinion with another member about the new band, then you are a cupcake and a hater and you don't belong here, but If one of the original band members are brought up In conversation and a board member decides they should start to verbally bash them, well then, that seems to be ok.

Great post.

Funny, after years of being branished an Axl Nutter, now I am suddenly a "hater"......because I would rather have a new album as opposed to two more years of touring and a new album five years from now.

On this board, wanting new music from your favorite band gets you labeled as a hater.

I'm not opposed to the band touring. Just dissapointed, as another year of touring means no "new" music for at least two more years.

Based on CD, I think the unreleased Cd tracks are probably amazing. I think this current band could create a tremendous album.

GnR is a fantastic live band. But this tour has been going on for a decade already.

Before this tour was announced, if u polled this forum and asked what they wanted...new music or another tour.....95% would have said new music.

Oh crap!!!! I just realized I actually hate all the bands I thought I liked. I can't wait for slash's next solo album. Can't wait to buy the new van halen album. I must hate them, as I can't wait to hear their new music.

I see where you are coming from and I agree with you and the points you are making.Unfortunatley there Is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that a new album Is on It's way and If It's anything like the last release, It's going to be a long wait(Don't think It will be anywhere near as long of a wait as Chinese Democracy, but most likely a few more years). I think all those years of silence have alot of people on this board starving for whatever they can get.

If you are pro axl or skeptical of the new band right now don't be a fucking pussy and say the rest of the board is against you. Deal with your criticms and continue to post. Don't start wining about labels being used against you.

Who was this directed at

So it was only "epic" because of personal reasons for the writer - not because the show was actually epic. Ok, that makes sense then.

And wow. How defensive the Axl fans get. If you aren't kissing Axl's ass 24/7 then you are a cupcake and a hater. Funny.

I am slowly learning that that Is the situation on this board. We seem to have a double set of circumstances. If you bring up any type of flaw with the new band, or have a difference In opinion with another member about the new band, then you are a cupcake and a hater and you don't belong here, but If one of the original band members are brought up In conversation and a board member decides they should start to verbally bash them, well then, that seems to be ok.

What do you all think will happen first?

GnR releasing a new album.....or another band member quiting and being replaced?

This is such a talented group of musicians, I can't imagine all of them wanting to spend 5-10-15 years covering other people's music.

Some fans on here think that spending 5-10 years between albums is a good thing and not a problem. But most bands want to create their own music, so the more years this current group spends touring, the more likely yet another member is going to move on. And that would ne a shame.

All the leftover CD "big guns"......the dynamics and chemistry this current band has, I would love to hear what music they could create......imagine if we - the fans - at the end of this year had three albums worth of GnR music.

Instead, we are talking about another year of touring and maybe an album of remixed songs. Wow.

New member, without a doubt. I have no Idea what Is making people believe that this band Is on the verge of releasing a new album. I can't recall one time,where this band, the original band or any version of the band, for that matter has ever followed through on anything they had promised In a timely manner.

The guy who wrote this article is a moron.

In other words, anyone with a difference In opinion, as opposed to your opinion, Is a moron? Is this the quote that made you pass judgement and label the writer a moron(Every single member must be painfully aware that the vast majority of the audience wish that other people were playing their instruments). If so, this Is his opinion and an opinion that most people share.

If you think axls goals and big plans ,was to spend 14 years and 15 million dollars making an album that was a complete and utter failure(sales wise) and to be playing to half empty arenas across the country then you are more delusional then I Initially gave you credit for.

It's funny that you have to make up things I believe just so you have something to ridicule.

I'm not making anything up. Go back and read your posts. You are trying to stress the point and basically make excuses for the reasons why Guns N Roses can't sell tickets like they used to and why Chinese Democracy crashed and burned. Your reasoning was Axl Is content with the way things are, and there Is nothing to suggest he wants to be In one of the top bands In the world anymore, he just wants to have his artistic visions realized. So he spent all that money on an album and has been touring regularly for the last 7 years so that he can be In a mediocre band, just touring to break even so that he could have his artistic visions realized. I take It you are not a buisness man.

So you are trying to convince me and everyone on the board that Axl doesn't care about success,or If people know the songs, or who the band members are? Come on, lets be realistic here, you don't spend 14 years and 15 million dollars making an album that you hope will be unsuccessful and people won't know the songs. The album did not live up to his expectations, It's just that plain and simple.

Eh, there's a huge difference between being the biggest rock act in the world and wanting your music to be appreciated. It is obvious Axl has no motivation for the former, because he doesn't do promotion and he doesn't release music frequently; and it is equally obvious he cares for the latter, because otherwise he wouldn't release music at all.

What are you talking about with this biggest rock act In the world bullshit? No one even made reference to them ever becoming the biggest rock act In the world again(those days are long gone).

Because YOU complained about GN'R not being as big as the greatest rock acts (AC/DC, Metallica, etc) and made it sound like that is an obvious objective for Axl and the current band. I was then merely pointing out that nothing suggests that that is a goal for Axl any more, but that he is supposedly happy with "only" having his artistic visions realized.

I wasn't complaining about Guns not being the biggest rock act on the planet anymore(just want them to be somewhat relevant again). If you think axls goals and big plans ,was to spend 14 years and 15 million dollars making an album that was a complete and utter failure(sales wise) and to be playing to half empty arenas across the country then you are more delusional then I Initially gave you credit for.

I believe there formula for success Is to stick to what got them here, which Is just straight up Rock N Roll.I would have to say, most of the worlds opinion Is that(judging by the sales numbers) Chinese Democracy wasn't a good Guns N Roses album and wasn't worth 14 years of silence. They need to go back to basics, release a new album ,with at least one or two hit singles, something along the lines of Sweet Child, Paradise City, November Rain and keep there faces plastered everywhere they possibly can, because as of right now America still doesn't accept this version of Guns N Roses, as a matter of fact I would be willing to bet, that the average American couldn't name one other member of the band, other then Axl Rose.

Sounds like a good plan to me. They will either follow the plan and play to 3/4 to full arenas or continue down the road that they are on and play to half empty arenas. It doesnt affect my life either way but It would be nice to see them somewhat relevant again.

It has not gone according to planned.

No, it just hasn't gone according to your plan.

What was my plan?

So you are trying to convince me and everyone on the board that Axl doesn't care about success,or If people know the songs, or who the band members are? Come on, lets be realistic here, you don't spend 14 years and 15 million dollars making an album that you hope will be unsuccessful and people won't know the songs. The album did not live up to his expectations, It's just that plain and simple.

Eh, there's a huge difference between being the biggest rock act in the world and wanting your music to be appreciated. It is obvious Axl has no motivation for the former, because he doesn't do promotion and he doesn't release music frequently; and it is equally obvious he cares for the latter, because otherwise he wouldn't release music at all.

What are you talking about with this biggest rock act In the world bullshit? No one even made reference to them ever becoming the biggest rock act In the world again(those days are long gone).

...because as of right now America still doesn't accept this version of Guns N Roses, as a matter of fact I would be willing to bet, that the average American couldn't name one other member of the band, other then Axl Rose.

The average American can't name band members from Van Halen, Metallica or Aerosmith, either . And even if they could, who cares? Why should it matter to me if GN'R is the biggest band in "America" or not? How would that affect my appreciation of their concerts and music? I guess it matters to 15 year-olds...

In addition, from a market perspective GN'R shouldn't try to please the blasé US market, but expand into India and China and keep touring South America. And not care about what you and 15 year-old kids in the US says.

Dont try to Insult me with your bullshit comments. I have been a fan from the very beginning. The topic Is Guns N Roses are at a crossroads and I simply stated that they were at a crossroads along time ago and as of right now It has not gone according to planned.

Actually, they were at the crossroads a long time ago, and they made some bad decisions, as a result they are now a mid tier band averaging 6,000 fans per show, Instead of selling out arena's like AC/DC, Metallica, Van Halen, Aerosmith and on and on. I believe there formula for success Is to stick to what got them here, which Is just straight up Rock N Roll.I would have to say, most of the worlds opinion Is that(judging by the sales numbers) Chinese Democracy wasn't a good Guns N Roses album and wasn't worth 14 years of silence. They need to go back to basics, release a new album ,with at least one or two hit singles, something along the lines of Sweet Child, Paradise City, November Rain and keep there faces plastered everywhere they possibly can, because as of right now America still doesn't accept this version of Guns N Roses, as a matter of fact I would be willing to bet, that the average American couldn't name one other member of the band, other then Axl Rose.

Axl Rose does not care about that definition of success. He does not care if the average person knows his new band members or songs, if he's matching up to Metallica or not, or if America "accepts" him. He doesn't care to do the same thing and stick to any formula. The path he's chosen is for his own definition of success, which I'd say is making the music he wants to and playing with the people he wants to.

So you are trying to convince me and everyone on the board that Axl doesn't care about success,or If people know the songs, or who the band members are? Come on, lets be realistic here, you don't spend 14 years and 15 million dollars making an album that you hope will be unsuccessful and people won't know the songs. The album did not live up to his expectations, It's just that plain and simple.

First, let me say that this band is the tightest lineup since the original band. They put on a very professional and solid show. It's no bullshit, great rock n roll. But lately I feel like this band is at a cross road and they have a decision to make: do we move forward as a band, or do we lean heavily into the past. It's not an easy decision at all. As much as us hardcore fans love Chinese D, most people at the shows I've been to respond indifferently to the new material. Nobody can sense that more than the guys up on stage. So what do they do? They play the hits. The songs people love. The songs people came to see. But in doing that, and leaning into the old material, it makes fans think - why aren't the old guys just up there then? We all know the answer to that.

As die hard fans, we selfishly want more new material. But if GNR is a brand, that brands equity sinks if new material fails to find cultural relevance. So what do they do? How long can they keep leaning into the past with these new guys before it becomes irrelevant? For some of you, it already has. I'm still on the fence. It looks like Guns is going to be on the road for a while, which is a blessing and a curse for the die hards. It almost guarantees no new material is being studio recorded. So what about the loads of material recorded during the making of CHinese D? Will we ever see it? Sounds like record label issues may keep that material side-lined for while. But who knows...

The band is at the crossroads right now. You can feel it in the air. You can sense it at the shows. You can see it in the faces of all GNR fans. They are all holding on to something they love. But holding onto the past makes it so hard to move forward. We all want Axl to succeed and I believe he can find future success if he just puts more music out there. He's surrounded by such talent, but they aren't marketed properly. Nobody knows who these guys are. And can you blame the fans? They have no content to react to. No music videos, no behind the scenes with DJ or Ron. They are sitting on an ocean of content...let it go and I'm sure a lot of good would come of it. That's my two cents...How do you guys feel?

Actually, they were at the crossroads a long time ago, and they made some bad decisions, as a result they are now a mid tier band averaging 6,000 fans per show, Instead of selling out arena's like AC/DC, Metallica, Van Halen, Aerosmith and on and on. I believe there formula for success Is to stick to what got them here, which Is just straight up Rock N Roll.I would have to say, most of the worlds opinion Is that(judging by the sales numbers) Chinese Democracy wasn't a good Guns N Roses album and wasn't worth 14 years of silence. They need to go back to basics, release a new album ,with at least one or two hit singles, something along the lines of Sweet Child, Paradise City, November Rain and keep there faces plastered everywhere they possibly can, because as of right now America still doesn't accept this version of Guns N Roses, as a matter of fact I would be willing to bet, that the average American couldn't name one other member of the band, other then Axl Rose.

Except for that it would be amazing to see them live once or twice, I can see nothing good coming out of it in terms of making a record or anything like that.

The new band are on to something I think and it feels like a new record is going to come out of it - a record that is sort of more collaborative than the last one. It feels like these guys are really becoming a unit that could stay together and keep growing.

They have that "against all odds-thing" going on in a way.

Reuniting with the old band would be very boring in many ways

I say: NO THANKS

you do realize that 99% of music fans in the world want a reunion, right? It's only on these boards that people don't want to see it.

The ones that don't want to see It are the new generation of fans on this board that weren't around to see the original band. The new version of the band Is all they know.

For the folks that saw the Pittsburgh GnR/Metallica show I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.

1-How old were you then?

2-How old are you now?? Haha

Me first... it will be 20 years in July. o.O

25 then ... 45 now.. Boo!!

First of all, I have to say that that concert will never be topped. 15 then and 35 now. I can remember sitting on the bridge across from Three Rivers Stadium In a traffic jam listening to Faith No More opening. It was an unbelievable concert.

When all is said and done

were not the only ones, who look at life this way, that's what the old folks say.

What do the young folks say?

considering appetite for destruction by itself shits all over van halen's entire history, no, guns should not open for van halen. it would be a highlight of van halen's extremely overrated career to open for axl.

Yeah ok. It would be an honor for a band that will play to 15,000 to 20,000 fans per night and has one of the greatest guitar players In the history of music and a top 5 frontman of all time , to open for a band that averages 6,446 fans per night. By the way your career doesn't last 40 years If you are overrated. Now, that being said,believe It or not, I am a bigger fan Of Guns than I am Van Halen but some of these comments are so far out there It's almost unbelieveable.

Don't forget that Eddie was the one who mentioned to Axl that he wanted to open for Guns, not the other way around - not have Guns open for them.

I am a huge fan and to me there Is no better band then Guns N Roses, but come on, lets be realistic, Van Halen doesn't need to open for Guns N Roses.(It like saying u2 will open for Motley Crue)see how funny that sounds anyway feel free to post a link where Eddie states that Van Halen needs or wants to open for Guns N Roses. If he said anything remotely close to this he must have been In a drunken stupor.