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To you who created this thread: What is the problem? Just because somebody is young and wanna raise this new band to the skies...let them.

The old band did look very un-interested from 92 onwards.

This new band rocks and we need nobody telling us: "It will never be like the old band".

Wtf is the point with that? You can't compare a band to when they are in the 20's and 30', to when they are in their 40's.

Different thing now. Less drama, but they seem to enjoy it more and that makes for hell of a show.

When you learn to read, we will discuss It further. Thank you.

What legacy,artistic integrity and respect? The only people who feel that way about the new band are people like you and me. Lets be honest here, if Axl reunited, put out an original album and toured with the old band? THEN he'd get those things you say he has now. Most of the world's giving him the finger over keeping the name and replacing the members and the ONLY way they'll forgive the guy is if he reunites.

Sad but true.

1. Axl did not REPLACE - ie. FIRE - any of the old guys.

Slash and Duff both left on their own accord.

Go re-read the LA times interview. Slash from Day 1 wanted Axl to join his band, when it was in fact Axl who invited and hired Slash to join his band. Slash wanted his Snakepit songs - as-is, unmodified - to be the next GnR album, and Axl refused. So Slash left.

Steven was a heroine addict, and his substance abuse was affecting the sound and recording on the UYI records. And don't forget, it was Slash and Duff who replaced Steven with Matt Sorum. Now that Steven is sober, he understands why he was fired. Steven has said, that at the time, the person who hurt him the most, the one who he blamed the most for his firing, was Slash. In regards to Axl, Steven says: he’s been so generous and loving to me.

See http://love-it-loud.com/news/steven-adler-discusses-being-fired-from-guns-n-roses/

Izzy left on his accord for various reasons. The three biggest reasons we know are: 1) he doesn't like touring and the big spotlight, and 2) he didn't like the change in sound due to Matt's drumming, and 3) Slash and him, never really got along from a creative music point of view from the start. Slash was like Joe Perry with heavy distortion, and Izzy was more like Bob Dylan and Keith Richards. Izzy never wanted Slash to join the band. He stormed out during Slash's audition and was pissed at Axl for inviting Slash to join the band.

As Axl stated, it was a battle to get Slash and Izzy to work together on the UYI records. And here's a quote from Slash himself:

During Appetite..., Lies and Use Your... I had to put up with Izzy the whole time. I never liked playing with him. It was wonderful to escape him on this record. It sounds tighter and so much cooler than anything we've done before. I always got irritated over Izzy's way of playing. It didn't sound right. Before "Spaghetti", we erased his guitar and Gilby put on a new one. It sounded perfect!"

See http://heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=13

One of the reasons why Axl can not forgive Slash and calls him a CANCER is because Slash has spread lies to make people like you believe it was Axl who fired everybody! When it fact, it has always been Axl who tried to get everyone to work as a band.

Now go listen to "Sorry" from CD.

2. OLD-GnR was never respected as ARTISTS or MUSICIANS.

Nobody with any musical talent or understanding of pop culture history gives a crap about the OLD band!

They may have sold a lot of records with AFD and UYI, but selling records and artistic respect are two different things.

Justin Bieber, Britany Spears, and Lady Gaga sell a lot of records. But do people respect them artistically?

That is why when the alternative era hit, OLD-GnR got thrown out to the trash gutter, and a lot people bashed GnR, from the media, to musicians, and to the general public.

Kurt Cobain pukes when hears GnR music. Eddie Vedder can't relate to GnR's music. RHCP couldn't figure out how GnR became successful. Trent Reznor pokes fun at GnR fans. Even Moby was reluctant to give CD a listen!

And if you knew people who grew up in the 1990's, you will know that being a GnR fan post-1992 was so UN-COOL!

It took a lot of convincing on Axl's part to even get the CD lineup assembled, because nobody with any artistic integrity wanted to be associated with the GnR brand in the late-1990s.

When you study pop culture and music, nobody even mentions OLD-GnR. They may say something about heavy metal and hair bands from the '80s, but then they jump right into the subject of Nirvana and Pearl Jam and the alternative era of NEW ROCK and NEW MUSIC that began in 1991.

No music historian or critics ever lists OLD-GnR in their top 100 most influential musicians of all time!

On NEW ROCK radio stations, OLD-GnR songs never make any top 100 countdowns. But songs by the RHCP and Beastie Boys do, and they are even older than OLD-GnR!

At best, some people refer to OLD-GnR as a "transitional band" from the old classical rock sound to the hard rock sound of the alternative/grunge era. Being known as a transitional band, is not something to be proud of.

So where you get this idea that OLD-GnR is actually respected artistically is beyond me.

People who don't like GnR today, don't like them because they still associate the GnR *brand* with the 1987-1992 brand.

That is the challenge that the NEW-GnR faces. They have to overcome that bias and negative-stereotype people associate with the old BRAND of GnR. And it will only change once GnR releases music videos and does more mainstream live shows and interview in the USA market.

So to claim that if Axl suddenly has a change of heart and invites Slash and Duff back into the band, GnR would magically have more success than what they are having now, is not only FACT-less but absurd!

Having Slash and Duff back in the band would be the quickest path to IRRELEVANCY and DEATH for GnR.

With the masterpiece that is CD, not only is GnR close to being the biggest band in the world again, they are doing it so with more ARTISTIC INTEGRITY and RESPECT from other musicians from all genres of NEW MUSIC.

GNRFan2007:

YOU COULDN'T BE MORE FUCKING WRONG.

I enjoy new GNR quite a bit, but to say they are considered cooler, are better thought of by critics and that they would sell more than a re-united old GNR is true only in an alternate universe created in your own mind.

I was in high school when Appetite came out. This was in an era when kids who listened to Ratt, Poison, Motley Crue, etc. sat on one side of the cafeteria and the "smart" kids sat on the other side and listened to U2. When GNR came out, they transcended these cliques. They were just bad ass and extremely cool. They were absolutely huge and nobody mocked them.

The same is true with Lies and the anticipation for the Illusions was enormous.

When the Illusions came out, it was an event. I was in College and went with about 20 guys to a record store and waited in line with about 250 people for a midnight sale the Tuesday it came out. This was true all over the country. If you want validation, here is a clip of one of those midnight sales in a small town: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QCLOaTiGKM

GNR sold out huge stadiums. They were massive. After about 3 years of consecutive MTV airplay and touring, there was definitely a need for a break from GNR from the general public. By no means though did GNR shift from cool to uncool...they still got plenty of airplay on classic rock and "new rock" stations everywhere.

While Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, etc. were all very "cool," they didn't displace GNR. Bands like Skid Row became extinct, but GNR was still absolutely enormous; just dormant.

As for your assertion that they weren't respected by critics, you are high. They were very respected then and now. The album reviews of the Illusions were great and Appetite was highly regarded. Did the Rolling Stones pick a lot of bands to go on stage with them and sing after one album? In 1989, the Stones brought them on stage to sign Salt of the Earth, which is something the Rolling Stones didn't do for any band of that era. They were basically crowning them as the Stones of their generation. Maybe you don't think the opinion of the Rolling Stones means anything.

In 1990 Appetite was voted the 27th best album on the top 100 list of the 80's by Rolling Stone Magazine (I though that was a little low).

Rolling Stone voted Appetite 62 on the top 500 albums of all time. I'm sure you will dismiss Rolling Stone Magazine as irrelevant, despite being the most respected rock magazine out there.

Rolling Stone readers recently voted Appetite the #2 album of the 80's.

To sum up and dismiss your ridiculous fictional point that "new GNR is more criitically acclaimed," the reviews on Rolling Stone of the Appetite and the Illusions are 5 stars.

Chinese Democracy got three.

Universally Appetite and the Illusions were were critically rated much better than Chinese Democracy.

Without a doubt the albums sold worlds better than Chinese Democracy. Without a doubt the 1987-1993 version of GNR sold out 60,000 seat stadiums.....today's version plays in 10,000 seat venues and can't sell them out.

"New Rock" radio stations still play old GNR...I haven't heard anything from Chinese Democracy on the radio since October, 2008.

Everyone then thought GNR was cool....if I bring GNR up to people today, they consider it a fucking joke.

Sorry, Old GNR was HUGE from a sales perspective, critically, airplay and any way you want to cut it. I don't know anyone other than me who owns Chinese Democracy or even knows a song on it....I also don't know many people besides hardcore fans who want to see new GNR. If Slash were back though, I guarantee they could open the fucking Super Bowl.

Your post wins dumbest of the year.

One of the best posts that I have ever read on this board. Thank you

I am just curious as to the average age of the board members(35 here, probably classified as an old fuck). It seems to me that there Is alot of recent posts reiterating how much better the current band Is, as opposed to the original band. The most confusing part of the whole situation Is that most of these members making these claims probably weren't around or were to young to have even seen the original band, so how do you compare the original and new version when you weren't around. Watching videos or youtube Is one thing, but as anyone that has been there live will tell you, It's just not the same, not even close. In all fairness , If you have seen the original and the new version and you come to the conclusion that the new band Is better, than that's great, you are entitled to your opinion, but for all those making the claim that the new band Is better without ever experianceing the original, well that leaves me more than a little confused.

25 here, whatever that info is worth.

I may not have been a fan during their hayday, but these days it's very easy to find a lot of decent bootlegs from the old days.

So while I may not have seen the old band live, I've seen or listened hundreds of their shows. So I think I have a pretty good idea of what old Guns was at the time, to the fans and to the band.

I saw the new band in 2006 for the first time, but I was a fan of the new Guns well before that. I've seen the band a total of 5 times. So how many times you believe I should've seen the old Guns live to say I "get" the old Guns and that I "was" there? Once? Twice? Five times? 100 times? Man, I think your logic fails a bit.

Logic doesn't fail at all. It gets a little old listening to a bunch of young people that weren't even thought about when the band was In there prime, telling the generation that was actually there,how much better the new band are and how much better the new band plays the original bands songs. From what I have seen on this tour and In my opinion, the new band are great, probably the best live act out there, but who are you, and others like you, to criticize a band you weren't even around to see. This whole,I watched a bootleg so I am qualified to come to the conclusion that I have come to, Is ridiculous. If you seen the band live In 2006 as you say you have, than I think we can both agree on the fact that a bootleg Is nothing like actually being there.

Music is all a personal choice. What touches your brain, heart and soul. So in the end, it really doesn't matter what anybody else thinks about a song or a band. I still listen to my favorite late 80's bands and could not care less if people think I'm stuck in the past. Cinderella, Tora Tora, Dangerous Toys, Tesla will always be in my IPOD.

What I don't understand is how people keep saying the current band has no chemistry or energy or emotion. I wonder if anybody saying that has actually attended a live show this year? I've seen GnR three times and last week was the best show I've ever seen live. The band was having an absolute blast together.

Chemistry???? All the reports show that the old band pretty much was fighting almost all the time. Slash and Izzy. Everybody and Steven. Axl and Duff/Slash. THis new band appears to have a great relationship amongst the guys. THey aren't all fueding and fighting with the lead singer.

Emotion? The current band is pouring their souls out on stage. They aren't just playing by the numbers, collecting a paycheck. At the end of the shows the are all exhausted. They interact with each other. They interact with the crowd. They are laughing and smiling and having a great time.

At the end of the show, which dressing room you think is happier? GnR 2011 or GnR 2003?????? Which band got along better together, from top to bottom?

Again - love which ever version you want. Praise the old band as the Kings of Rock and take offense if anybody dare praises the new guys. Whatever floats your boat. But to say the current band has no chemistry or emotion is just absolutely false, in every way shape and form.

People like to bash DJ for being a poser - and heck, I even did at first. But watch this guy play live. He is having more fun than anybody out there. In Seattle, he brought a kid up from the crowd onto the stage. He left the stage and went over to the seating section and chatted with fans. More than anybody else, he was slapping hands with people in the crowd. At one point, because the height of the stage, somebody slapped the bottom of his foot. So everytime he went to that side of the stage he would stick his leg out and fans would go crazy slapping the bottom of it, while he smiled like a kid. He played his guitar with drum sticks and then threw about 10 of them into the crowd. DJ is ALL about pleasing and entertaining the crowd.

Was the old band more raw? Sure. But through no fault of the current band. THe old band was a bunch of young punks, early 20's, broke, fighting to make a name for themselves. Today????? No. Even a reunion isn't going to reach the old levelness of rawness and unpredictability as back in the day. I think the reunionists don't think about that. Axl, Slash and Duff are almost in their 50s. All are extremely rich. They aren't going to be as raw and agressive as they were at 22 years old and broke.

Finally, I think CD is a masterpiece and as good as either Illusion. Not as good as Appetite.

Why?

A quick reason is diversity. My son loves GnR. And I have two friends who are into GnR. And all four of us have different favorite songs from CD. We all love different songs, and we all dislike different songs. It isn't an album with 3 classic songs, 5 fillers, and 3 songs everybody hates. It's one of the only albums I've seen where if you took 10 fans of the album and asked what their favorite song was off of it....you could get 10 different songs as answers.

On a final small side note.....I was a casual fan of Shacklers. But imo it came off amazing live. My third favorite live song last week (if I had to rate each song).

If you go to a show this year or next with an open mind, just wanting to see a good rock and roll show - I think you will really enjoy yourself and the current band.

If you go with anger already in your heart, wanting to compare every note to the old band, wanting to compare every guitar move to Slash, every drumbeat to Steven, every bass part to Duff, every note to how Axl sounded 25 years ago.......then you might not enjoy it.

Went to two shows this year Wilkes Barre Pa and Youngstown Oh, both excellent shows and they left It all on the stage. It still doesn't compare to seeing them In 1992 on the Illusions tour. We are all entitled to our own opinions and In mine there Is nothing on Chinese Democracy that comes close to the appetite album, Estranged, November Rain,Don't Cry,Breakdown,Locomotive or Coma.

I am just curious as to the average age of the board members(35 here, probably classified as an old fuck). It seems to me that there Is alot of recent posts reiterating how much better the current band Is, as opposed to the original band. The most confusing part of the whole situation Is that most of these members making these claims probably weren't around or were to young to have even seen the original band, so how do you compare the original and new version when you weren't around. Watching videos or youtube Is one thing, but as anyone that has been there live will tell you, It's just not the same, not even close. In all fairness , If you have seen the original and the new version and you come to the conclusion that the new band Is better, than that's great, you are entitled to your opinion, but for all those making the claim that the new band Is better without ever experianceing the original, well that leaves me more than a little confused.

You can bitch all you want, it just shows that this lineup is relevant to the youth. I don't think many bands who started in 1985 can say that.

Not bitching about anything, you might want to let your high school friends know that Chinese Democracy was released so they can purchase It, than we can actually make the band relevant again. Playing to an average crowd of 5-6000 people per night Is pretty disheartening.

Axl said in that LA Times article that the new band was going to be busy all year...what do you think that entails? Writing and recording new stuff? Rerecording some Chinese-Era stuff? Another tour of Europe or the States?

I would assume there will be a few months rest, then off to Europe.

I am just curious as to the average age of the board members(35 here, probably classified as an old fuck). It seems to me that there Is alot of recent posts reiterating how much better the current band Is, as opposed to the original band. The most confusing part of the whole situation Is that most of these members making these claims probably weren't around or were to young to have even seen the original band, so how do you compare the original and new version when you weren't around. Watching videos or youtube Is one thing, but as anyone that has been there live will tell you, It's just not the same, not even close. In all fairness , If you have seen the original and the new version and you come to the conclusion that the new band Is better, than that's great, you are entitled to your opinion, but for all those making the claim that the new band Is better without ever experianceing the original, well that leaves me more than a little confused.

36 here. It's hard to compare the old with the new. The music is much better now and the shows longer, the old band was sloppy (not as good musicians under influences) and the sound was often sparse and simple. But the old band delivered more exciting concerts because back then everything wasn't choreographed down to the smallest movement, the shows were unpredictable, and there was this sense of danger all the time. Another thing is back then there was anger, aggression and danger. Not much of that lately -- for better and for worse.

Thank you for the Intellegent response and giving your opinion. I have to respectfully disagree and have a different opinion when It comes to the music being much better now. I believe that Appetite and both Illusion albums are far superior to Chinese Democracy. There are a few good songs on the new album, just not enough for me to say that Is's better than the bands previous material.

I am just curious as to the average age of the board members(35 here, probably classified as an old fuck). It seems to me that there Is alot of recent posts reiterating how much better the current band Is, as opposed to the original band. The most confusing part of the whole situation Is that most of these members making these claims probably weren't around or were to young to have even seen the original band, so how do you compare the original and new version when you weren't around. Watching videos or youtube Is one thing, but as anyone that has been there live will tell you, It's just not the same, not even close. In all fairness , If you have seen the original and the new version and you come to the conclusion that the new band Is better, than that's great, you are entitled to your opinion, but for all those making the claim that the new band Is better without ever experianceing the original, well that leaves me more than a little confused.

It's almost comical to imagine Axl reverting to the old lineup for anything more than a one off (like what Roger Waters did with Pink Floyd at Live Aid to raise money for charity). It would be so clearly motivated by money that it would be hard to respect him. The new lineup is quite arguably the best live band out there right now; certainly in the upper echelon. They have an incredible catalogue that they take advantage of; they frequently play songs better than the "original" bands did (I don't care if it's old Guns or other bands; they play Nightrain and Civil War better than old Guns; they play Whole Lotta Rosie better than AC/DC; they play Sailing better than Rod Stewart; etc.); their new songs kick ass live (Street of Dreams, Sorry, Shackler's, Better are all great live for example). Basically, Zakk Wylde is right. Axl is the best frontman since Freddie Mercury and is the last truly great frontman to emerge on the rock scene. He's a rare entity. I've now taken 6 people to "nu" GNR shows who are not huge GNR fans. They're fans of a wide variety of music. Their favorite bands have been Red Hot Chili Peppers, Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Rage, etc. They have all seen their proclaimed favorite bands live. Yet literally all of them, down to a person, have basically said the same thing: GNR may not be my favorite band, but that's the best concert I've ever been to. I have to believe that anyone who is still on these forums bitching about a reunion either hasn't seen the new band live or is simply so bitter and delusional that they can't accept it; they HAVE to have their reunion or their live is not complete. Otherwise, they'd either enjoy the current lineup or they'd go away. That's the only explanation I can think of.

I agree with most everything you have said here, have you ever seen the original band live?

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I apologize for putting this In the wrong section(If this Is the wrong section). By the way, who are you. Are you a mod?

no, he's just a man with a busy schedule

I see that. Busy playin mod and getting his post count up.

FORMER MEMBERS SECTION

I apologize for putting this In the wrong section(If this Is the wrong section). By the way, who are you. Are you a mod?

Watched this clip on youtube for the first time tonight and was completley blown away(has to be one of the best live versions I have ever heard), Anyway thought maybe some of you might enjoy It.

if breakdown if played i would do fucking backflips all nite

I will join you

I would rather hear the old songs that haven't been played In forever. We got Estranged and Civil War this year, might as well do Breakdown. I believe this song has only ever been done twice live.

Wow. Gotta say, I'm Impressed with the singer. He got some fuckin pipes.

I want to order the upcoming PPV shows and was wondering If anyone had any Idea how to save the concerts on the computer In order to burn them to disk, or Is this to much hassle. I guess this shows my Ignorance when It comes to computers.

Just like the good old days. Anyone else remember buying the Guns and Soungarden concert from Paris back In 1992. If I'm not mistaken I believe that show was 24.95,so 14.99 for two shows Is more than reasonable.

Sometimes I wish the GN'R fan base didn't see everything as so cut and dried all the time.

There is no reason whatsoever why Axl Rose can't go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ceremony to be inducted with the original members of a band he's still part of and then go right back to being in that band himself.

That would be fine If the current members aren't tagging along. Let him get up there, shake hands, make a short speech and go back to doing his thing. That would be great, all I'm saying Is don't look for It.

He can't win either way :

-He goes : the new band is finished.

-He doesn't : he once again exposes himself as the one that holds grugdes forever and as an asshole who couldn't make the slightest effort. The new band won't be there either, hence, they really aren't Guns n' Roses.

He's fucked.

I think a case can be made that Axl's no worse off than before if he stays away- as he's pretty much skewered by the public and media for everything as it is. Arguably staying away could also kind of reinforce some of the "mystery" around him. Who knows- perhaps he can actually even gain some points if Duff (for example) were to make a very spirited defense of him in his absence...

I agree with you in point 1 though. Axl really shouldn't darken the doorway of the RnRHOF unless he's prepared to put the new band out to pasture... for good. That's why I'm pretty confident we won't be seeing him there...

Agreed. For those expecting him to make an appearance.....Dont, and you wont be disappointed.

Matt never wrote any music for GN'R.

Chris, Bucket, Brain and Tommy all should be inducted.

I am happy that the old band are being inducted but these guys should be as well.

They really shouldn't..... I think Dizzy is a stretch.. Didn't Axl play most of the piano parts on the album and then Dizzy played them live? I could do without Matt getting in there too but he did play on the UYI's albums.. As for Chris, Bucket, Brain and Tommy.. be realistic, Chinese Democracy has zero to do with the induction.

Last I checked Chinese Democracy is a Guns N' Roses album.

Are you an idiot?

I love you people who have no clue how to hold an argument so you resort to insulting others when you have been defeated.

Chinese Democracy and the band behind it are the reasons Guns N' Roses is still a working machine. That needs to be acknowledged and respected as much as the contributors to the beginning of this band.

I disagree. I think this version, lets call it the CD version should be judged/acknowledged/respected on its own merits. The era that ended in 93 deserves this induction for what they achieved.

Lets judge the current guys on what they can do. Sorry but so far they are not hall of fame material, maybe one day but not now. If they were inducted now it would be on the back of the work of others.

What Ive just typed is the truth. Im not being arrogant but it really is. No disrespect or point scoring but it simply is the reality.

I understand what you're saying, but this new band (not particularly this current incarnation) but the blokes I have mentioned in my previous posts have had to work pretty hard through all the negative press and maintain the musical standard the original band stamped. Chris and the boys have done an excellent job of maintaining and growing the lagacy of Guns N' Roses which to me is very deserving of a HOF induction.

I wouldnt say that they have grown the legacy in any meaningfull way. I dont think its enough im afraid. I just dont think that some people are understanding what GNR did back then. They were BIG. Not in a mainstream way but in an every 13-17 year old kid in the fucking world knew all the songs. They were being talked of as the next Stones and no one batted an eyelid because it was just natural that that was how it was going to be. Slash was as much in demand as Ax if not more. Major magazines would put Duff the fucking drunk bassist on the cover and it would sell tons more.

THIS is the reason why they are getting inducted. Fuck I remember when Gilby broke his arm or something and Izzy came back for a show or two. The news was all over the main radio and even in the tabloids.

You make a very good point. It seems to me that there are quite a few younger people on here that just dont realize how big this band was In the early 90's. Sometimes It feels like yesterday standing In line at the local record store for the midnight release of the Illusion albums or standing amongst a crowd of 60,000 people at three rivers stadium on the Use Your Illusion Tour, Than again sometimes It feels like a lifetime ago. Anyway(not knocking the current band,seen them twice on this tour and they were great) but the Chinese Democracy album and playing to 5-6,000 people per night on the current tour does nothing to justify the new members being Inducted.

Matt never wrote any music for GN'R.

Chris, Bucket, Brain and Tommy all should be inducted.

I am happy that the old band are being inducted but these guys should be as well.

They really shouldn't..... I think Dizzy is a stretch.. Didn't Axl play most of the piano parts on the album and then Dizzy played them live? I could do without Matt getting in there too but he did play on the UYI's albums.. As for Chris, Bucket, Brain and Tommy.. be realistic, Chinese Democracy has zero to do with the induction.

Last I checked Chinese Democracy is a Guns N' Roses album.

Are you an idiot?

I love you people who have no clue how to hold an argument so you resort to insulting others when you have been defeated.

Chinese Democracy and the band behind it are the reasons Guns N' Roses is still a working machine. That needs to be acknowledged and respected as much as the contributors to the beginning of this band.

The new version of Guns Is the reason the band Is still a working machine, but has absolutley no bearing on the hall of fame. Being Inducted Is based on past achievements and accomplishments.

A terrible review here, nice to see the comments as they are very positive and ripping the review to pieces. This has to be one of the most bitter reviews I've ever read:

Shitty review

"Axl Rose and some other guys no one cares about"

/\ wtf ???

I had to comment "Which of the trainees wrote that?"

Why the fuck must reviewers be so disrespectful towards the new musicians? It's not like they played any role on the break-up! That's ridiculous.

It's because the media in general do not like Axl.

Hit the nail on the head.

How can a Seattle crowd be lame when Duff is involved?

Trying to figure that one out myself.

Must have been an awful crowd. From what I understand Duff made a mention of how lame the crowd was.

I bet the surprise in LA is something stupid like Nikki Sixx onstage, and him and Ashba doing a Shit AM song

Hopefully he brings Vince Neil then cause he and Axl are such good friends.

Axl could have taken him 20 years ago and he can take him now.

Of course.

Are we talking about a singing contest?

Fist fight, singing contest - Axl will win both

Dear fellow fans of GN'R. Vince was raised on the streets of Compton. Axl would fall like a brick, and he knows it.

Been a long long time since Vince seen the streets of Compton