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It's hard to believe that with the fan reaction that they received and with the money they made on this tour that they are willing to part ways and do solo shit. None of these guys are taking Guns N Roses very serious. They could finish the final leg of the tour at the end of the year, take a few months off, hit the studio around March of 2019, release a new album or a few new songs and be back on the road by the winter of 2019. But this Is Guns N Roses and nothing ever makes sense. It does make a person wonder if the past 2 years was nothing more than a money grab as some have suggested in the past. I am not sure how anyone could think that Slash and Duff are any different than previous hired hands when Slash makes comments  like   "Will be coming back to see if they are going to do anything new" or "hopes that GNR will reconvene to work on an album next year"

Same old story with a new cast of characters. 

Just now, ApacheChief42 said:

There was an article from about 2014 where Axl was talking about CD2 and the remix album's release in the near future.

Then the reunion happened

I guess the problem has always been the fact that Axl doesn't follow through on what he says regarding album releases. If he made that statement In 2014 and the reunion didn't happen until 2016 why didn't he release it? Axl doesn't seem to understand what "In the near future" means. 

2 hours ago, ApacheChief42 said:

I have much more hope in Slash saying that Axl's working on new stuff than Fortus.

Plus, I think CD2 would've been released if they never did the reunion anyway.

What would possibly make you think that? Chinese Democracy came out In 2008 and the band reunited In 2016. They had 8 years to release CD2.

7 hours ago, Draguns said:

Sorry I had to laugh at this post. It's a strange question to ask because Russ is interpreting what Slash said his way and not what Slash actually said. As a previous poster on this thread stated, this is exactly why GNR does not give interviews. People tend to misinterpret words due  to their own frame of reference/perception. 

Rather than reading too much into things, sometimes it's best just to take it face value, especially since Slash is a household name and was there since AFD.

Ok, what did Russ misquote exactly?

Once again, since a few have come to the  conclusion that Axl, Slash and Duff are all on an even playing field, How much ownership does Slash and Duff have in Guns N Roses? 

And again, Just because Axl may be willing to negotiate In order to keep Slash and Duff In the band doesn't mean they actually have any more say than Fortus or Dizzy. 

1 minute ago, Draguns said:

Russ, no disrespect but man you've been have some very  strange posts lately on this forum. With that being said,  Slash and Duff definitely  have more say to a new album than Fortus or Dizzy. After all, Slash did say he was in GNR and not a hired hand. 

What is strange about his thread? How much ownership does Slash have in Guns N Roses? Just because Axl may be willing to negotiate In order to keep Slash and Duff In the band doesn't mean they actually have any more say than Fortus or Dizzy. 

1 minute ago, Ratam said:

Why❓ Melissa is out it❓

 let's let Melissa have the final say on a new release. 

Slash and Duffs opinion and will to want to release a new Guns N Roses album may mean more to Axl than hearing it come from Richard ,Dizzy and Frank. So In that regard Axl may agree to release an album to appease Slash and Duff and to keep the money train rolling. Axl may figure that If he doesn't ,Slash and Duff may eventually walk away again and If that happens Axl better be prepared to start playing abandoned warehouses, because  Guns N Roses without the other two originals will no longer be tolerated or accepted by most fans.

On the flip side, Slash clearly stated that they will continue to work on material that Axl has already created. Slash and Duff will put there little spin on the songs and Axl will eventually have the final say as to whether or not the material Is acceptable for release. He will have the final say as he always has. Slash and Duffs position In the band is no different than any of the past hired hands that have come and gone.

If a new album is released , it will not sell well. That Is just the way it is today. I guess we can thank the technological advances that we  all crave so much today, but that is a whole separate topic. 

1 minute ago, RussTCB said:

That's the thing though, and maybe I could actually start a different thread for this particular debate: but me personally? I don't view Slash & Duff as anything more than "Axl's hired hands" these days. 

I agree, there Is nothing to prove otherwise. 

2 minutes ago, bucketOtrouble said:

...Axl’s got a ton of shit that he got recorded already, so we’re just going to get in there and just start getting into that thing...

doesn't sound as if slash and duff are about to contribute significantly to the writing. so ain't no new gnr record but an axl solo #2 under the name of...

and thanks for the killer guitar melodies, slash

 

Exactly, Axl will have the final say, as he always has. 

13 minutes ago, jamillos said:

˄ However, this is not Axl's solo project any longer, where he's the sole boss and the hired guns have to do as he says. Slash or Duff wouldn't let anyone (...) fuck with them. They are famous musicians. Etc. 

When did Slash and Duff recover ownership In Guns N Roses and how much do they own? The fact of the matter Is, If this version of the band disintegrates, they better pack it in or plan on playing venues like The Hard Rock Hotel In Las Vegas which holds 4,000. I can't Imagine that a version of Guns N Roses minus Axl, Slash and Duff will be tolerated again after reuniting for 3 years. 

With the kind of money Slash and Duff are currently making, they would probably be willing to eat more shit than you think. 

Maybe the band feels like they had a successful tour, got the fans money, now fuck them. Their  past history should tell everyone everything they want to know about the band in terms of fan appreciation.

On the flip side, the band deserves to be compensated for their work and as stated above, it is their music and their choice.

16 minutes ago, killuridols said:

There's a tiny difference there, though... 

Slash and Duff were not touring under the Guns N' Roses name pretending to be Guns.

Velvet Revolver was a more successful act than Axl's nuGN'R in all aspects. They even won a Grammy, right? 

That Is true but didn't Slash and Duffs contributions and the fact that they were household names come from being In Guns N Roses, same as Axl, right? ? It also didn't hurt that they were constantly refereed to as former members. On the flip side, they did do enough quality work with Velvet Revolver to distance themselves, but they will forever be most remembered for being In Guns N Roses regardless of what they accomplished solo, again, same as Axl. Who Is to blame for the fact that they no longer had any Interest or legal rights to the Guns N Roses name? If they did do you think they would have used It there advantage? The fact of the matter Is, they all had successful solo runs and finally did the right thing by reuniting. I find it disgusting that Axl would ever label the band Guns N Roses after hiring some moron with a bucket on his head but It can't be argued that It was the smartest thing he could have done business wise. After all that Is what this band Is all about at this point. 

3 minutes ago, Nikki_Sixx said:

No, I have never ever seen the real Guns N Roses.  I apologize.  I obviously have no right to speak about these matters.  You win !

Just asking,  no hard feelings. Enjoy Saskatoon.

32 minutes ago, Nikki_Sixx said:

I never said the '02 tour was cancelled due to poor ticket sales  (although I think Clear Channel would have a few things to say about that), Axl did that all on his own !

Since you can't seem to understand exactly what I'm saying, I'll spell it out for you : 

- The Axl Rose solo band tour didn't last from '01 to '11, they merely toured for most of '06 and '10, half of '12, and only a few months each in '02, '07, '11, '13 and '14.  OUT OF A GRAND TOTAL OF 15 YEARS !!!

- The Axl Rose solo band tours were successfull here and there (riding on the name of a different band), granted, but for the most part they were NOT.  In the eye of the general public, they were 15 wasted years.

- If the Axl Rose solo band was THAT profitable, don't you think they'd still be going ?

Anyway, if you're gonna start twisting my AND your own words, we'll end the discussion here.  Have fun with your 'Appetite For Democracy' dvd, I'll be watching 'Saskatoon '93' again ! 

No need to spell anything out, you can't seem to get your own story straight.  Did you say the following?

The '02 tour was SELLING POORLY and cancelled half-way ...  '06 and '07 were successful.

I asked you to go back and view the numbers from 02 that you claim were unsuccessful and take a look at the numbers from the 06-07 tour that you claimed was successful.

How did the numbers compare on the U.S. run?

The fact of the matter is, I am not a fan of Axl's solo project or the Chinese Democracy album, but there Is no sense In distorting the truth and claiming that Axl didn't have a successful solo run. 

Furthermore,  being that Axl, Slash and Duff all get along why would Axl continue to tour solo to a crowd of 8,000-10,000 people when he can play to 30,000-40,000 people? Just because he wasn't filling stadiums on his solo run doesn't mean he wasn't successful, I'm glad you were finally able to acknowledge that fact, something you weren't willing to do In previous posts. Do you believe that Slash and Duff had successful solo careers?

I have never seen Appetite For Democracy and have no plans to, how was It? Enjoy Saskatoon, I will be watching Argentina 92. 

By the way, just curious, have you actually ever seen the real Guns N Roses live? Any shows from 1987-1993?

8 hours ago, Nikki_Sixx said:

Successful ?  The '02 tour was selling poorly and cancelled half-way ...  '06 and '07 were successful, yet the promise of an album turned out to be a lie, and the public quickly returned to their negative stance toward fake GNR.

After the release of the album they toured succesfully in '10 and '11, by '12/'13 they were downsizing the venues in the US due to lack of interest, still trying to ride on name alone elsewhere ...  It all ended with mere Vegas residencies by '14 ...

I think you have a VERY optimistic view of Axl's solo success !

Really? You better do some simple math and compare the shows that were played In 2002 that you claim was canceled due to poor ticket sales to the 2006-2007 run in the U.S. that you claim was successful. How do the numbers compare?

So Axl started his solo career(Chinese Democracy Tour) In 2001 and the tour went on and off for 10 years until 2011, but was unsuccessful? Is that what you are saying? Do you think that Axl and the band made a profit from 2001-2011?

4 hours ago, Nikki_Sixx said:

Oh really ?  Touring for 8 years before CD was released ?  I can only remember him 'touring' in '02, and then again in '06 and some of '07.  That's about it ...

Also, 20+ years ?  Axl first solo show was '01, and his last solo show was mid '14, hardly 20+ years ...

So by your own admission Axl toured for 13 years. Regardless of whether it was 10 , 20 or 30 years, how does that change the facts presented In the post? Were the tours before the Chinese Democracy album successful? How about after the album but before the reunion?

5 minutes ago, Mickey said:

And yet - it's the biggest koncert there

It is the biggest concert ever held there, Is that what you are saying? Was there an anticipated turn out?

1 minute ago, default_ said:

But its a little different when you have Slash back on the band. NITL is so successful just because of him, a new album featuring Slash would probably do wonders in the current music industry. You see, we have SOYL on the charts. Plus it would be an excuse to a new tour, a new kind of promotion and they wouldn't be stale to NITL, that is currently slowing down on the sales.

You are right, Slash Is a major attribute In terms of the success of the NITL Tour. I would love to think that a new release(If one should ever take place) would be extremely successful, but In today's society that Is debatable. People just flat out refuse to support the music by purchasing an album and find it easier to just steal it.  Let's hope for a new release but not expect one anytime soon. If we don't get it than we at least have the previously released materiel. What are your opinions on Shadow Of Your Love and Move To The City?

1 minute ago, Towelie said:

Ugh. Stop making excuses for Axl. GNR aren’t the only musical act who have 100+ people on the payroll and bring in huge sums of money per show. There are plenty of artists and bands on a similar level to Guns, who manage to put out new albums every couple of years.

Axl simply doesn’t want to.

Perhaps CD made him realise that he can’t do it on his own, and musically, he has little in common with Slash these days, aside from their shared history. So it seems Axl feels he has nothing left to offer, hence the endless touring.

I suspect the only reason we got a reunion was because he couldn’t continue touring with NuGuns without releasing a new record. Whereas he knew if he called Slash, he could tour and never have to release another record for the rest of his life.

Absolute nonsense In regards to your assumption regarding the reunion. The band was touring successfully long before reconciliation was considered. They were  touring Chinese Democracy 8 years before the album was even released with one original member. In other words the bands touring success was based on albums that were released 17-21 years prior, so how exactly did releasing a new album(Chinese Democracy) elevate the band or benefit them In anyway?  Even If Axl didn't want to release an album at this point, so what. That Is his choice and he Is doing quite well financially on this "endless tour" just as he was for the 20+ years before Slash and Duffs return.

If you aren't satisfied with the endless touring and refusal to release new material, it would be best for you to move on and find another band because It can't come as a shock or surprise to you that nothing has been or will be released anytime soon. The bands history is telling in terms of releasing new material and I don't think that a few unhappy fans on a message board are likely to suddenly change Axl's outlook.  Maybe check out Metallica, they seem right up your alley. 

2 minutes ago, Martinski said:

Doesnt seem to be very many in attendance tonight? 

Yeah, It looks pretty empty, at least in the seats.

24 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

Let me rephrase - Why do you think musicians make music? Just to make money?

 It Is absolutely all about the money when you reach the stage that Guns N Roses are on. When you are spending probably somewhere around 1 million per show and have 100+ people on the payroll, you better be bringing In the money. If people who claimed to be fans of the band would actually go out and purchase a physical copy of an album instead of feeling entitled to it and stealing it off of the Internet  than I am sure that bands would feel a little bit better about releasing new material. Would you spend 2-3 years and hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars creating something in your garage to give It away just because you loved creating It? I don't know many people that are in that financial position or who are that kind. Is being a musician on the level that Guns N Roses are on, a job? Do you have a job? If so, do you go to work because you love it or is the motivating factor money?

1 minute ago, Axl4ever7 said:

I think Slash recorded guitar parts on the next Chinese Democracy CD. Instead of starting from scratch Axl should just release the next Chinese Democracy CD with Slash.

That would be interesting. I am just curious as to what leads you to believe that Slash recorded guitar parts for a future Guns N Roses album and one that will be considered Chinese Democracy 2? I am not trying to be an ass when I ask those questions, I am just wondering how you came to that conclusion. Maybe I am over looking something.

1 minute ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

Because the only reason to release an album is to make money right? Especially just after making 500 million touring

So why exactly does a band spend hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars to create an album again? Do they create the album out of the goodness of their hearts or do they just not have anything better to do?

I find it strange that people actually get upset and angry over the band not releasing a new album or when the band admits that they haven't even discussed the possibility of a new album . The current members have not released anything with the Guns N Roses name since 1991, so why would they suddenly become motivated to release one 27 years later  when there is nothing to gain financially? I think this tour also helped them to confirm that there Is absolutely no need to release new material In order to be successful. 

4 hours ago, RussTCB said:

They might be able to do that with enough time in between tours but not regularly, IMO. The magic for many, many people was finally getting to see Axl & Slash on stage together. I know of a lot of casual and die hards who sat out the US arena run because they'd already seen what they wanted to see during the stadium version. 

I know this is just one example, but think about this: No one I knew that went to the stadium show in Detroit went to the arena show that follow in the fall of the following year. The only 2 friends of mine that did go went because they couldn't make it to the stadium show the year prior.

You may be right but I still hold the belief that the band would remain a substantial draw without releasing another note, the previous released material from Appetite, lies and the Illusions albums Is just that strong. Yes, Slash and Axl sharing the stage for the first time In 20+ years has a lot to do with It, but we must remember that the band was doing well financially and touring successfully before the reconciliation of the current members. In 2006-2007 they were playing to 10,000-15,000 people per show with one original member(Axl) and no new material. This Is 6 years after a tour started based on an album that still had not been released.  I think they would continue to do just fine playing festivals and booking arena's with the current line up.  Some markets would obviously be hotter than others. 

On 7/22/2018 at 11:39 AM, RussTCB said:

Here's my prediction and I will be absolutely shocked if anything besides this happens:



Slash will do a solo tour this fall and spring, which I won't care about.

Axl will probably do the AC/DC album and tour next year, which I won't care about.

Duff, Richard, Dizzy, Melissa & Frank will probably do a TON of things, which I won't care about.

In 2019, GN'R will regroup to tour in whatever capacity the interest level will support.  If there's enough interest, they'll do stadiums again. If there's not, they'll do arenas. If there's not enough interest to support that, they'll charge more and do theaters. None of which I will care about. 

I can't ever see a situation where there wouldn't be enough Interest In the current line up to pack arena's. They could probably set up camp In Las Vegas and play the T-Mobile arena for the rest of their lives without releasing another note.