Angelica

First episode of Chernobyl is sterling.

5 hours ago, lame ass security said:

I havent seen this yet, looks promising.   I assume you saw All That Jazz?  Roy Scheider has always been a favorite of mine and he was awesome in it.

All That Jazz is all time top ten for me. The finale is my  favorite scene in cinema. Very excited to see how the film is covered in the series. 

Scheider is unforgivably underrated as both an actor and movie star. 

It is sublime.

3 hours ago, action said:

these are my exact words:

"by this point, I think if you still believe those two frauds, you're either very naive or of bad faith"

note: "by this point", "if" and "still"

by using those three words, I wanted to make it not personal. obviously, I failed in that.

if anyone feels addressed by that statement, I apologize

So...you acknowledge he was a predator but you doubt he molested these particular boys? How do you explain the check and just in general, I don’t get your thinking?

19 hours ago, downzy said:

I remember listening to it along time ago; but didn't remember it so gave it a brief listen.  

My issue with La Toya was that she initially publicly proclaimed her belief that her brother was innocent in September of '93, then at the behest of her abusive husband who was trying to line up a $500k pay day with tabloids, changed her opinion a few months later, only to recant the accusations years later and is now one of her brother's latest defenders.  It's just impossible to take anything she says seriously, in my opinion, due to all the circumstances.  

She's already lying in the Stern interview when she's not doing this for the money, since it's been established that her husband was working on a deal with the tabloids.  

With respect to referencing Safechuck, perhaps she knew his name because she knew Michaels spent so much time with the kid and assumed he paid the family out.  Moreover, why was Safechuck's family never made aware of the check, as there's no mention of it in Finding Neverland?  There is the possibility that it was used to pay for the house Michael bought them, but I'm fairly certain the film makes it clear that Michael held the mortgage on the house, hence any check would have gone to the bank (or to Michael himself if the mortgage was originally held by him).  

I'm not sure if people really remember the extents to which La Toya went to in the late 80s and early 90s to keep her name in the spotlight.  From the features in plaboy and playboy videos to hawking the psychic hotline, it's difficult to believe that someone who, according to her, was making millions of dollars on touring, would put herself in these situations.  Her finances were in such a disaster that she filed for bankruptcy not too long after.   

Anything is possible and there's the chance that she was both compelled to do it for financial reasons or under the direction of her husband and also believing at the time that Jackson was guilty.  But she's just such an incredibly hard person to believe if you remember what she was like back then.  

As I said, i believe Jackson is guilty for a variety of reasons and maybe apart of that has to do with La Toya, but it just strikes me as incredibly odd for someone like @action to cast doubt on Jackson's accusers because he doesn't find them credible but finds someone like La Toya should be believed. Just makes little to no sense to me. 

I agree La Toya’s words shouldn’t be the basis on which anyone decides his guilt or innocence but that interview is still an important piece of the puzzle. I don’t believe that Gordon forced her to turn on MJ (though the money grabbing part was certainly his idea). Her responses are passionate and emphatic. During the (oh so awkward) argument with Feldman it’s confirmed she was living with Michael in the late 80s and saw the favorites brought in to sleep with him night after night then get replaced as they aged out. She talks openly about it. All stuff that’s long been confirmed. The interview also goes into the backlash she received from the press and other celebrities for speaking out, that she recanted isn’t surprising. 

The Safechuck check certainly paints his parents in a less flattering light than Dan Reed does. 

https://youtu.be/af8XU5Ajq8s 

Downzy, have you listened to the Howard Stern interview? She gives a lot of detail (including mentioning a million dollar check made out to the Safechuck’s). Her backtrack about being forced to turn on Michael has never seemed entirely plausible to me on account of that. 

 Soul, if you’re enjoying the series definitely track down the film.

2 hours ago, downzy said:

 If she truly thought her brother was guilty of sexually abusing kids, how could she recant those opinions years later and ask for her brother's forgiveness?  

I’d guess it was to get back on the Jackson family teat financially?

Are you saying you believe the family were genuinely unaware of MJ’s proclivities? 

5 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

I think its a ridiculous idea.  And I don’t think hes all that as an actor either.  Good, very good even but I don’t think the position he occupies currently in our culture is justified when stacked up against his talent.

While he is obviously blessed with looks and  charisma (he has a great voice too), he is a limited actor. It was particularly obvious in Luther  whenever he had scenes with the prodigiously gifted Ruth Wilson.

However, a lot of big name actors are only moderately talented. The more curious thing is his apparent A list status, despite the fact that he’s never carried a hit. The Wire has been off the air for over a decade. He has a small recurring role in several Marvel movies, but besides that nothing of any real financial or critical success that I can recall (ok Beasts of No Nation but he was outclassed by a bunch of non professional tykes).

Like, cynically, I wonder if it’s because Denzel is getting on, and the industry and press have marked him the successor. Despite not having the chops or filmography.

On 4/1/2019 at 10:24 PM, Sosso said:

Needful Things 

Freeway

The Fast and The Furious: Tokyo Drift

 

FREEWAY!!! ❤️❤️❤️

Night of the Hunter

Scrooged

Alien 3

Drop Dead Gorgeous

Freddy Got Fingered 

16 hours ago, appetite4illusions said:

As far as the movie is concerned, it's hard to believe they did it underneath 2 hrs. They could have conceivably done it as a mini-series with a couple more hours to flesh things out.

They left out some downright iconic moments that the book described as very cinematic:

- The ill fated Japanese tour and the mayhem on the subway train. Nikki being interrogated by the police and the games he played with the interpreter.

- The circumstances around the firing of Doc McGhee and his illustrious past as a drug smuggler  

- The hilarious MTV interview where the "new" Motley expressed open hostility and violence at the suggestion that their image consists of "women, hairspray and fire."

 

The book was an odyssey of madness at it wasn't all going to make the screen, but I remember reading some of that stuff and thinking "holy shit, that would make an unforgettable scene."

At one point in the long history of this project, David Fincher was going to direct. Now that...would have been something.

I really wish it had been fleshed out into a limited series. The material is there and the book lends itself more to that format. It’s super fun as it is, and props for eschewing all the Dewey Coxian trappings of the musical biopic genre, especially in the wake of the godawful Bohemian Rhapsody, but it still  feels somewhat like a missed opportunity. 

I’m assuming Leo’s ostensibly playing Christopher Jones? This looks wildly annoying thus far but a teaser’s a teaser.

For @Len Cnutand any other hardcore Hollywood history buffs, Jones was quite the character and the Tate/devil quotes have always stuck with me http://www.mansonblog.com/2015/08/the-agony-and-ecstasy-rare-interview.html?m=1

It’s very entertaining. 

Okay then. Instead of debating whether or why a child might want to share a bed with an adult who wasn’t a family member, let’s take a minute to focus on the adult who went out of his way to share his bed with children he had no familial relationship to. The sane amongst us will wait over here. 

32 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Thank you!  Fuck me, I was starting to feel like I was the only one left.  I mean, really, break it down, OK, I wanna sleep with some strangers child.  Hmm, OK, whys that?  Because I love children in a totally non sexual way.  OK, well then, I dunno, maybe show your love a different way?  Why does your love manifest itself in wanting to sleep with the fucker?  And once you're sleeping with the kid, hows it gonna play out...what, you're just gonna take opposite sides, turn your fuckin' backs and go sleep?  If thats the case then why bother sharing a bed?  Oh, the kid don't wannabe alone?  OK, well then why not get another bed in the room?  Because if you ain't just gonna turn your back and go sleep then what?  Cuddles?  Spooning?  See how sinister this shit is getting? 

And if you love kids, in a broad sense as in love the children of the species then why does that require sleeping with one or two or ten kids?  I mean its at that point you're becoming sort of case specific aren't you?  You're not showing a love or an interest for ALL kids at that point, its something about that particular or those particular kids that is attracting you, them in a physical sense, it simply has to be.  There is no fuckin' rationalisation for that shit. 

And if you are some one in a fuckin' million unique fuckin' case where there's nothing at all fucked up in your intent, even then, what the fuck are you doing to that kid and his mentality by sleeping with him?  You might be unique but the rest of the world fuckin' ain't and it ain't fair on the kid, the formative years are really important developmentally and when you fuckin' with the kids psyche you are setting them up in life to be fucked up in the head, they're going through puberty, all that shit, its the responsibility to adults to fuckin' guide them and manage their growth to where they are presented with some semblence of normality so their impulses and compulsions and predlictions grow in a normal direction so maybe they don't grow up to be fuckin' Ted Bundy, perhaps its worth noting that the best way to achieve that is not by sleeping with a 40 year old plastic faced creep dressed like he should be on a fuckin' cereal box.  Its strange and ugly and wrong whatever way you hold it up. 

EXACTLY. All of that. And the ‘Peter Pan’ bullshit. I would politely ask if anyone has ever heard that used as a defense  in relation to any other grown man in the universe who, regardless of abuse and exploitation in their background, has obviously unhealthy ties with children. (Spoiler alert, you haven’t, because it’s also not a thing). 

4 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Is this like an approaching middle age, hot flushes, cold compress sort of thing? *ducks*

🤣🤣🤣 To be indelicate I’m currently surfing the crimson wave, so NOT QUITE BUT THANK YOU.

3 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

To be REALLY honest I never watched it, it looked so shit and was a proper birds sort of thing so...y'know, it got judged blind and has occupied that space ever since.

It’s not a ‘birds thing’. It’s a nerd/geek thing though. In the best way. I have watched all 144 episodes a terrifying number of times and love it more than most things and will fight you 🤣

Just now, Len Cnut said:

I found 90210 insufferable as a kid.  Who wants to watch the future ruling classes driving to high school on Porsches looking like little fuckin' proto-yuppies waiting to take over the world.  My sister used to fuckin' love that shit too, which probably had a lot to do with it, for some reason I grew up hating everything my sister liked, shame really cuz I grew up to find she had pretty good taste in some areas but I draw the fuckin' line at 90210.  And Sweet Valley High (though those twins were fit as fuck!).  And the other one with Sarah Michelle Gellar and the fuckin' vampires.  And Ally McBeal, that girl needed some fuckin' donuts or somethin.  

90210 is objectively bad but I grew up on it, so sentimental attatchment. Don’t diss on Buffy  however or we will have an ISSUE. 

7 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

DAWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

🖕 🖕🖕it’s true 🤣😞

You would like it, probably. There aren’t any swans but Ashley’s sweater puppies are unleashed on multiple occasions.

My inner 14 year old is still struggling with Luke Perry’s death and I thankfully remembered this was a thing that existed (that I still can’t believe I’d not seen). It was directed by John McNaughton and based on an actual INSANE true story and besides being Perry’s best performance ever I am now happily willing to argue that Ashley Judd delivers what amounts to one of the top ten/twenty performances of the nineties in it. Definitely worth a look. 

Forgot about this entirely (she later retracted her statements and alleged her husband forced her to make them)

Had never seen this. The lacivious material isn’t as unnerving to me as the house itself is. 

21 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

https://www.nme.com/news/music/stevie-wonder-responds-michael-jackson-leaving-neverland-controversy-2457782

Does Stevie actually know what he's been accused of?   Stevie, mate, I love you and all that, Superstitious, Innervisions, you're all class but uh...what the fuck are you talking about?   Turn the fuckin' sound up or something

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 his quote is Onion worthy

Just now, Len Cnut said:

Oh they were vulnerable to some degree as all kids are but like, you're a pedo (there's an unsettling thought!), who looks a softer touch, some random kid from nowhere or the famous kid, which one would seem more likely to fuck you up? 

Oh absolutely that’s a potential factor. 

3 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

I suppose noncing Corey Feldman and Culkin would be a bad idea because they are famous so there'd be more chance of it coming out and it'd have more credence and inspire more sympathy than ones with less behind them?  Predators tend to go for the more vulnerable don't they?

Yes. Although both were exploited and ripped off by their parents as kids, so they were vulnerable. But as I attempted to delicately suggest above...possibly not pretty enough.