ludurigan

1 hour ago, DTJ80 said:

It’s very odd that if it was considered for illusions then there is nothing on the various demos/rehearsals?!

I don't think we have had access (listened) to not even 1% of the material rehearsed and recorded for the illusion albums

they must have had COUNTLESS writing sessions, jams, rehearsals and even recording sessions in lots of different studios and we have NOTHING of these recordings

izzy himself said in another interview that they recorded the album "3 times" during the three years that it took for they to make it (1989-1991)

so i would say there is nothing odd about that

the fact that we didn't have access to it doesn't mean that they didn't play it or that there are no recordings of it somewhere...

5 hours ago, Powderfinger said:

I wonder what “rock n roll rose” became...

 

me too!

The Hollywood Rose song Rock 'n Roll Rose, a song that Axl wrote after playing his first gig in Los Angeles, was considered by Guns n' Roses for the Use Your Illusion records.

This info has just been "revealed" on the so-far uncirculated (among english-speaking fans) 1989 Izzy interview for the German magazine Metal Hammer (full interview here: https://www.a-4-d.com/t4501-1989-09-dd-metal-hammer-germany-revolution-calling-izzy)

I think this is too good of info and it deserves its own thread

It raises a lot of questions and speculations

Based on that Izzy quote, I think we can safely assume that...

"Rock n' Roll Rose" was played by Guns n' Roses in rehearsals/ studio sessions some time (or some "times") during the 1985-1990 era

I think we can also speculate that...

- "Rock n' Roll Rose" was likely rearranged by Guns n' Roses, in the same way that they rearranged all the Hollywood Rose songs that they ever played or recorded (Anything Goes, Shadow of Your Love, Reckless Life)

- "Rock n' Roll Rose" may have been demoed at some point!

So my take on that is that it is very possible that some recording of "Rock n' Roll Rose" played by Guns n' Roses exists, be it a raw studio sessions recordings (in the same style of the Mate Rehearsal tapes) or even a full complete demo.

Which brings us to another question:

How many more Hollywood Rose songs Guns n' Roses has played and/or rearranged and/or recorded over the years?

There are quite a few Hollywood Rose songs that, until now, we don't know if Guns n' Roses has ever "touched on".

This list includes songs that are in circulation and songs that remain uncirculated:

"Rocker"

"Killing Time"

"Cold Hard Cash"

"Everything Ok"

"Rock N' Roll Survivor" (this is actually a Road Crew song that Axl added lyrics to for Hollywood Rose)

(there may be more HR songs that are not on this list)

If you ask me, I would say that Guns n' Roses probably "tried" playing all these HR songs at least once!

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sources:

= https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/hollywood-rose-2bd684ea.html?song=Rock+N'+Roll+Rose

= https://books.google.com.br/ReckLessRoad

4 hours ago, Powderfinger said:

Good read...

Conflicts with the stories of him leaving Chicago having just arrived minus any input to the songwriting.

yeah it conflicts with a lot that we knew about the Chicago sessions

4 hours ago, Powderfinger said:

LA Riots happened a few years after this I guess?

Fuck!!!

I didn't remember that!

I thought Izzy sounded like a lunatic when I first read that but he basically predicted the LA Riots with three years advance!

8 hours ago, djones1225 said:

Maybe lies could've been this:

1. Patience

2. November Rain 

3. You're Crazy

4. Used to Love Her

5. Cornshucker

6. Jumpin Jack Flash

7. Move to the City 

8. One in a Million

Honestly GNR had the opportunity to mix shadow of Your Love, heartbreak Hotel & jumpin Jack Flash into the "live" mixes with lies, and of course move to the City, Cornshucker & a acoustic cover Jumpin Jack Flash, no idea why they didn't.

1. Reckless Life

2. Nice Boys

3. Jumpin Jack Flash

4. Move to the City

5. Mama Kin

6. Heartbreak Hotel

7. Shadow of Your Love

8. Patience

9. You're Crazy

10. Used to Love Her

11. Cornshucker

12. Jumpin Jack Flash

13. Move to the City

14. One in a Million

I can NOT see an album having Cornshucker and November Rain on the same tracklist!

Remember the Axl quotes about November Rain saying "if this doesn't get record properly I am out of the music business" etc

You get a song where the singer is "baring his soul" and showing his deepest emotions etc and you put that side by side with fucking Cornshucker!

hahahahaha

Cornshucker is more of a joke song than anything, isn't it?

I don't think even fucking wackos like them ever considered actually releasing the song, at least not with those lyrics.

Nonetheless I am glad that we have that studio acoustic version with Axl joining in at the end. Thanks Alan Niven for that!

About the acoustic Jumping Jack Flash, I can see a lot of reasons for they not releasing it
It is too obvious of a cover, isn't it? Everybody knows the song. That can help "selling" the song at first but in can also make it harder to "sell" the song sometimes, because everybody would immediately put the song against the original version. Don't get me wrong, I think that acoustic cover is brilliant and much better than the original...

That kind of cover choice works pretty good when you are a bar band and you need to play instantly recognizable songs to please the audience in between your originals that no one knows...

I thinks for any proper band that is past the bar-band stage it is way cooler to pick unknown or semi-unknown songs that the band loves, like, say, Mama Kin or (specially) Nice Boys.

9 hours ago, t-p-d-a said:

GN'R Lies still better than Chinese Democracy. I love the slow version of You're Crazy and Patience the strongest song of the studio record. Reckless Life, Nice Boys, Move To The City and Mama Kin don't need a fake crowd. Who had this idea? Overall good album. But i see the point why Izzy don't want talk about this record.. Izzy shines on UYI Stuff... Sadly the last time with GN'R.

I love all 8 songs on it.

The fake crowd is bullshit indeed and it shows how this band sold "Lies" to the fans from day one.

My take on his quotes about Lies is that he would rather do a proper second album instead of reissuing Live Live a Suicide with 4 (3) new songs on it.

He mentions the "30 demos" so it is like he is asking (hypothetical) why on earth would we re-release that EP that has already been released 2 years ago if we have so many songs to pick from and do a proper album?

And let's not forget that he didn't even mention One in a Million, and if my memory is correct he was one of the many that were not too happy about the lyrics of the song, right?

14 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Yes, and I'd like to add that we've translated a few articles from French, Spanish and Italian, and there are some more articles in these languages that need translation. Any help in either translating or proof reading our translations would be welcomed and highly appreciated.

If you need any translations or proof reading from Portuguese just let me know

5 hours ago, Ratam said:

Interesting interview, i noted Izzy very apocalyptic about America.

yes!

i think all americans that read the interview are happy that izzy was wrong on his intuitions!

4 hours ago, Zinia_29 said:

Where are they?

izzy "answers" that question on the interview

5 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

Funny that he thought Lies was shit, when in a rare 2008 interview he said he remembered the making of that album as “good times.”

Also funny that he thought he was gonna be in GnR until his death lol.

yeah

if you read the full quotes on that, i guess he was actually pissed with the song list and not the process of making the album

he appears to be really pissed that they had "30 demos" and none of them were included in LIES

he appears to be pissed with the fact that the Live Like a Suicide album was re-released in LIES

It seems to me that he would have preferred to have 10 new songs in Lies instead of having 4 songs from an EP that had already been released and just 3 new songs (as you're crazy was already in appetite)

from the interview...

(Izzy asks for a cigarette, lights it calmly and deviates unexpectedly and radically from the last topic after a few puffs.)
 
IZZY: This album was shit, this LIES album was shit
 
METAL HAMMER: If I remember correctly, the purpose of LIES was useful, because die-hard fans in the States for an original copy of your LIVE LIKE A SUICIDE EP, which was re-released on LIES, suddenly had to pay more than 100 dollars. At least that is what I was told in the Geffen office.

IZZY: 100 dollars is nothing, man. I was at a Stones concert in 1981 and they sold backstage passes for no less than $900. So what are 100 bucks? But you're right, that was one of the justifications for LIES. Still, the thing doesn't count for me. IT DOESN'T MATTER, do you understand?”
 
METAL HAMMER: Understand.
 
IZZY: Before APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION was produced, we recorded 30 to 40 songs as demos. I'm not going to say that the demos were better than LIES stuff, but ... let's just forget about LIES, OK?”

4 hours ago, Shackler's said:

I recently discovered 3 more excerpts from this show- two of Nightrain and one of You're Crazy.

They were featured in an interview with Duff & Steven by Much Music.

wow!

are you sure they are from the same show?

if you are correct, then it is very likely the entire show was recorded!

and likely by Geffen?

this is ONE MORE GNR show that we know that has been recorded on video and remains uncirculated

there is the cathouse 1989 show also...

20 hours ago, soon said:

True. And you've reminded me of the story when Axl and Izzy met and Izzy says Axl had a notebook with him and was listing things Izzy did and said, going back years. That alone might make someone prone to delete their tweets!

 

fuck, i didn't remember that! you are absolutely right!

20 hours ago, soon said:

And again with some of these Duff quotes I note the most subtlest, passive aggressive, undermining of Izzys sobriety. Its just a hunch I get sometimes and couldnt prove. Almost like Duff is calling him a 'sober drunk.'

never thought of that... but you could be right! that would be cheap and low but somehow it fits with the blonde punk as fuck bass player!

20 hours ago, soon said:

FP Money couldve done well if promoted. But Matts playing on it is not Matts best imho.

i think FP Money is just a "common" and "good" izzy song, i don't see any single potential on it

don't get me wrong, i like the song but i don't feel the magic on that one

from the more recent izzy songs, i would say baby rann and upside were a bit better

but still not magic

and yeah, matt was definitely not at his best on that song!

i think they must have done like two or three takes of the song and izzy goes

- that's it boys!

then matt goes

- what?

- yeah

- but i was just thinking about doing this fill right before the chorus when you play that... 

- nah man, no! we are done!

- but i think i could...

- hey matt that take was great, it's done man, it's ok, everything is all right man, relax

hahahahahahahhahaha

19 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Izzy had joined twitter before that. He created the account in early 2016, to address the speculation about whether he would be part of the reunion or not. Many people thought that the account was fake. Then Izzy confirmed it was really his account to Rolling Stone in March 2016, also confirming that he wouldn't be part of the reunion.

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Speaking of uncirculated Izzy interviews, there are a few here that most of you probably haven't read before, as well as many other GnR articles and interviews that haven't been circulating online (in addition to the known ones):

https://www.a-4-d.com/t2861-interview-and-article-index

(Click on the date of each article to read it)

This one is the most recently added Izzy interview (we added it today) from a German magazine in 1989:

https://www.a-4-d.com/t4501-1989-09-dd-metal-hammer-germany-revolution-calling-izzy

yes you are correct, that's when and why izzy joined twitter

i have read that german magazine interview yesterday when you guys sent it by email and despite the fact that izzy was drunk and/or stoned on the party (!) where he gave the interview, there are some extremely cool quotes on it

izzy says "I wrote mr brownstone"

think about you we already knew he wrote but he just confirms it

chicago was not exactly how the other guys have been saying

and there is more!

a brilliant interview!

20 hours ago, soon said:

 

Tough to say what his intentions were with releasing those tracks. Tough to say why he deletes tweets! lol In my heart I believe that he wanted the songs to get as many ears as possible. And it seems clear he was itching to tour since he stated the reason he wasnt involved was "the loot." But at the same time he's not really the effusive type and 'played it cool' to see how it went with those songs. I dunno.

 

oh sure i agree, i am pretty sure he does want his songs to reach as many people as possible

why he deletes tweets? Probably it has to do with wanting to be as free from things that can haunt him in the future -- or that have the potential to bother him in the future -- as humanly possible. have you seen how many people -- celebs, politicians etc -- get "caught" because of things they say in the past? izzy is likely very aware of that and doesn't want people asking him about a tweet that he wrote years ago. if you ask me, he is being more clever than the rest of mankind.

also, the only concrete reason i can think of for the twitter account was to answer the lies of axel and the blonde financial expert on that interview for brazilian TV. they just fucking lied on TV and izzy didn't want to leave that garbage unanswered.

funny thing is that no one has ever denied the loot reason that izzy gave on twitter

the only answer to that has come now in some of the blonde new york times best-selling author interviews where he repeats the same bullshit

"Touring and a a big rock band is not for everybody", says the blonde king of yoga

"You have to train like a pro athlete. You gotta have the mindset, you gotta have the fighter’s mindset", and "I guess he just didn’t want to tour this big and for so long", says the blonde kickboxing enthusiast here

I mean, seriously... Pro athlete? Has the blonde bass player ever looked in front of him and checked how much like a pro athlete does the owner of his band look like?

the touring excuse again... and when confronted about what izzy said about money, the blonde seattle man just says "oh, i don't know about that"

that's the joke of the century

besides, you have to be a fighter to tour when you are no one and your band is unknown and you have to travel your own car and book your own show and carry your equipments and play to people that don't know you and your songs

this circus fake reunion tour is the easiest fucking tour in the rock n' roll business

so congrats to the blonde martial arts enthusiast for telling us "the truth"

i am sure izzy would be in GN'R if they have treated him right, which basically means getting back his place (bye bye ricky boy) and getting the same loot as the other guys

i am pretty sure ricky boy didn't want to leave. i have stated here countless times that that would have been the decent thing to do -- specially after ricky boy led a dream life for 10-plus years thanks to the songs written by izzy and the other guys

that's the least the guy could have done

but as they say in my country, "you know that guy who you never expected anything good to come from him, so, yeah, that's exactly what happened"

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i am not sure izzy wants that bad to promote his songs. if he wanted that he would have reached for his money years ago to hire a top producer for one of his albums and done a killer video for, say, sweet caress

there hasn't been one person -- specially women -- who hasn't asked me "who is singing that" every time i play that song.

it doesn't fail

that's a hit single right there

and izzy has a few more of them

16 hours ago, Izzymacbeth said:

I haven't heard it yet, but what's the Aerosmith Pump thing?

cheers

he introduced some drum music to steven tyler and steven tyler used that on one of the songs

20 hours ago, soon said:

Thanks for this. Great interview. It sounds like he's saying both that he needs to see if theres any demand, plus he's not into grinding it out the way he did when he was younger. I saw him once and Im fairly certain that me and my friend were the only people in attendance who werent regulars at that bar. Like they would have all been there that night even if there was no concert. About 15-30 people.

I think you live in Latin America? (although I cant recall why i think that, lol). Ive seen some videos of Gilby playing solo shows to some rather large crowds there. I wonder if he still has some places were he draws a serious audience? 

He talked about biking around and booking shows based around where he bikes. So, how does the equipment even get around I wonder?

yeah, i have seen some youtube video the other day with 30 people watching gilby. he gave a good show nonetheless so good for him

i suppose he has a bit more decent following in argentina and chile

about the equipment, my guess is that someone brings the equipment on the car right behind motorbikin' gilby?

6 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Did he by any chance mention if that other Izzy interview was before or after this one?

no, and since you didn't find anything on izzy on his paper after the Feb 1993 story, I would say it is likely he did the interview before this one, maybe during GN'R days

bu who knows

it could have been later in 1993, maybe when izzy rejoined GN'R and that was somewhat big news and worthy talking to him again?

i am sure you can ask this and any other thing directly to him on the youtube page, he is very accessible and he answers pretty much everyone who posts a comment there

15 minutes ago, bikka said:

https://www.a-4-d.com/t570-1992-11-dd-musician-interview-with-izzy

Kinda sums it up for me...

e-fucking-xactly!

37 minutes ago, bikka said:

Do you mean the one they talked about? Yeah, if he's really done a longer one, I'd love to hear it...

no, he said he never did that one.

he said to me in private email conversation that he has one other izzy interview that he did while izzy was on a tour bus.

he also said that he probably wouldn't publish that one because 1) he doesn't even know if he has kept the audio tape of that interview and 2) even if he has kept, he thinks the audio is too poor

my suggestion to you or anyone interested in listening to that one is go to the youtube page and ask him something like "hey have you ever done any other interview with izzy and do you plan to make it available"

i guess if enough people ask him about it then he may feel that it is worthy digging the interview, cleaning its sound and making it available for us

what do you think? 

22 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

I haven't found any other Izzy interview in the Indianapolis Star in the next few years (I suppose the other interview would have been for that newspaper, as was this one). So it's likely that it never happened. Shortly after this interview Izzy canceled the remaining Ju Ju Hounds shows and didn't go public for a few years.

wow thanks for doing that research

the a4d database that you guys are creating is increasingly becoming a go-to place for all things guns n roses, it's fantastic!

anyway, he said to me in private email conversation that he has one other izzy interview that he did while izzy was on a tour bus.

maybe he never used it to do another story at the paper for whatever reason, I am sure you know this happens a lot in journalism

he also said to me that he probably wouldn't publish that one because 1) he doesn't even know if he has kept the audio tape of that interview and 2) even if he has kept, he thinks the audio is too poor

my suggestion to you or anyone interested in listening to that one is go to the youtube page and ask him something like "hey have you ever done any other interview with izzy and do you plan to make it available"

i guess if enough people ask him about it then he may feel that it is worthy digging the interview, cleaning its sound and making it available for us

what do you think?

12 hours ago, Sydney Fan said:

Nope it was definetly coma. I remember seeing a video from a sorum interview that was on youtube, since taken down, where sorum tells although slash arranged it was also with izzy. 

well that's new info, i would love to see that interview to get a confirmation. is it from the illusion era or more recent?

On 26/02/2020 at 10:45 AM, soon said:

So perhaps he's just not as keen on a Gilby Clarke style tour of small town pool halls?

Just found an interesting Gilby quote about touring these days

He gave that quote during his recent "Appetite For Distortion" interview, it is on the 41m45s mark, it should start automatically as you press play 

On 27/02/2020 at 4:13 AM, Sydney Fan said:

Thats interesting because from what info is around, it was izzy who helped structure coma....without izzys way of putting the song together would it have made it onto the record......

izzy helped slash to write and structure locomotive, i think you must have confused that with coma, which by all acounts izzy had very little to zero input on

On 26/02/2020 at 1:40 PM, downliner said:

Thanks for sharing ludurigan, really cool hearing this The JJH album is a classic, will always be a favourite of mine so its nice to hear Izzy talking about how he came up with some of the songs

yeah i also had a blast listening to him talking about that! i am not a native english speaker so for me it is really hard to get the meaning of some songs if they are not really explicit like, say, in a Dee Dee song. 

On 26/02/2020 at 10:45 AM, soon said:

Maybe Izzy would tour if he had management and financial backing from a legit promoter? Also maybe a song thats popping online?

He has spoken about why he took the stage with Nu Guns, saying that he wanted to 'get that feeling' of being in front of a huge audience. But of course he wouldnt be playing for large audiences if he toured starting today. So perhaps he's just not as keen on a Gilby Clarke style tour of small town pool halls? Izzy did a mini tour of Japan in the aughts, right? And aint that where passe rock acts are still big? "Big in Japan."

Izzy seems like a pragmatic business person who is concerned about the bottom line. He was, after all, an entrepreneur prior to Guns. So maybe a tour that would please him and be financially viable just isnt in the cards?

For example, on the AFD Show Ashhurst spoke about the abrupt ending of Ju Ju Hounds touring. He mentioned that Izzy was using his own money to fund the tour. And Ashhurst remarked something along the lines of 'thats not so fun after a while.' (heavily paraphrased. havent listened to that interview in ages).

So having watched Izzy join twitter and capitalize on the Guns reunion hype by releasing 2 new singles, one featuring Sorum, it leads me to suspect that Izzy would love to have a song chart, a promoter foot the bill and tour theatres in a nice bus.

 

you make very good points and i believe the reasons you give pretty much explain why izzy hasn't toured for so long

i would add that Izzy probably doesn't need to, since he must have made enough money to be secure financially for "this lifetime". he must have made good money while on GN'R and also after GN'R thanks to much-deserved royalties that never stopped coming. i heard that appetite sold 100 thousand copies every month in the planet about 10 years ago. this may have slowed down considerably on the last decade, and these days they are likely much smaller -- slash has complained about that recently on an interview -- but still there must be some money coming in every month there

I may be wrong about this but I feel like someone like Gilby, on contrary, probably needs to do those small tours to make whatever little money he can on them and mostly to keep his name alive "out there" so he can keep on doing other things that give him actual money like 1) producing bands, 2) get invited to do good-paying gigs like the Heart Tour, the Kings of Chaos gigs etc

Oh, and I just think that if Izzy wanted to "capitalize" on the fake reunion tour he would have joined that shitty circus for whatever little loot and shitty conditions "axel", slash and the financial expert bass player were offering him

I really think those songs he released were way more a "fuck you" to axel & the co-owners than anything

On 16/02/2020 at 8:04 PM, janrichmond said:

I thought Niven was the best manager for the band but not for Axl. Doug was shit because he just became Axl's nanny

e-fucking-xactly