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I thought it was pretty funny, not sure why everyone is getting worked up about it. The guy is obviously joking around. But I guess seeing the obvious and a GNR fan forum hardly coincide these days.

Cheers,

Andrew

The US is a tough nut to crack. It's chalked full of Slashites. Many are unaware that Axl has formed a new band and released a new album under Guns N' Roses. They will show up and yell "Where the fuck is Slash?"

It's been 15 years since Slash left the band. If people show up to a GNR show expecting to see Slash and are disappointed, then they're an idiot and Axl and co. deserve their money regardless of their initial disappointment (hopefully the show will change their minds).

I don't object to people not going to a GNR concert because they expect the original lineup (or the UYI touring lineup). That's their deal and they're really the ones missing out. But anyone nowadays who bitches about the lineup while actually at a show deserves a serious smack-down.

Cheers,

Andrew

I think we shoulf wait until Rio until we astart jumping to conclusions, it's really the make or break of the future of the band.

I really don't understand this line of thinking. At all. How one performance will determine prospects for a band like GNR is nonsense. It matters to you and a few people who frequent GNR messages boards on a daily basis whether they play new material; it does not really matter to the hundred(s) or so thousands of people who will actually be at the show looking to hear favourite songs by one of their favourite bands.

Let's say that GNR does play a new song and it's monster of hit. Do you really think it's going to resonate to anyone who isn't there or paying attention to this show? No one in North America has any real idea that this show will be happening. All this fatalistic and consequential dialogue is nothing but hyperbole.

The current iteration of GNR is still going after ten years with only one album under its belt. I seriously doubt a subpar show or one without new material presented will do much to kill this band's prospects.

As for whether we're going to get another album or not. I've always just assumed that Chinese Democracy was the end of the story. My preoccupation with it is that it provides closure to a band that was the main soundtrack of my youth. It helps me understand a little what I've been waiting for, why GNR changed and why certain formers members are no longer in the band. This isn't an album that could have been made with the original band members.

Anything else on top of what we've already received will be considered gravy. I'm no longer the 13 year old kid listening to Estranged will lying in bed wondering when the next GNR album is coming out. That wait and story is over. As far as I'm concerned, I'm happy with what I got.

Cheers,

Andrew

Finally, a topic worth reading and contributing to. Nice move GunsGuy.

My greatest GNR moment/memory is definitely when I partied with Axl and a few others from GNR until 8:30 the next morning following the concert in Toronto in 2009. Out of respect for the guys I partied with and the craziness that went down I decided not to post the details. All I can say is that it was a mindblowing experience and very thankful that no one at the party ever asked who I was and how and why I was there. That and that everyone was super cool and seemed like good people. If you ever meet me in person I'll tell you the whole tale but from beginning to end it takes close to 20 minutes.

Outside my own personal encounter I would have to say two memories stick out for me. First, watching GNR's pay-per-view special from France and hearing Axl intro Welcome to the Jungle by saying "Paris France, and the rest of the world watching, do you know where the fuck you are?..." I remember being 12 years old and thinking how amazing it would be to see GNR in Paris, France. 14 years later I got to answer that question when I saw GNR play Paris in 2006. Totally awesome.

And like most people on here, the 2002 MTV performance was mindblowing, despite some performance issues. Unlike some of the younger posters on here, GNR was the band that dominated rock music in my youth, and to see the icon once again centre stage at the MTV music awards made me feel like that 12 year old kid again. Having waited nearly 10 years to see Axl in action, to see him control the helm once again was great to see. I hadn't been that excited concerning music since watching the video for November Rain for the first time.

Cheers,

Andrew

I don't really think it matters for a couple of reasons.

First, the general populace already had a peak at this new iteration of GNR and for the most part they passed. It's unfortunate because I think Chinese Democracy was a great album, but for most, it didn't live up to the hype or expectations. Releasing a second album isn't likely going to give the average fan or outsider any reason to return unless it's mindblowingly amazing. GNR would have to release a Sweet Child O' Mine, Welcome to the Jungle, November Rain caliber song to get non-fans interested and excited.

Second, if the original band were to ever regroup it would negate any delays between album releases. There will always be an appetite for the band that rose to fame in the late 80s. I'm not one to advocate that this needs to happen, but it is an obvious avenue to relevance if Axl and his former bandmates still cared to be one of the biggest bands in the world again.

The only people Axl may lose by not releasing new material in a reasonable time frame are those who frequent forums and the like. But then again, if you've stuck around this long, you're likely not going anywhere.

So no, GNR can do as they please and it will have little or no affect on album sales, ticket sales, or forum posts.

Cheers,

Andrew

The notion that you need a hit or hits to launch a successful tour is completely false. How do you explain bands like Dave Matthews, Phish, Muse, and Radiohead. Neither of these bands have had top ten hits in years, if ever, and still have an enormous draw whenever they tour.

Guns N' Roses has a deep enough catalogue to tour for years on end. People do not look to GNR for relevant new music anymore, that was 20 years ago. Axl is free to do whatever he wants, and I think he's a brilliant song writer and performer. But the pop world at large is not waiting with baited breath for a re-emergence of Axl and the current version of Guns N' Roses. I'm a fan of the new band and am happy with the production they've given fans since 2002, but if GNR is to ever be considered in the same league as U2, the Rolling Stones, and AC/DC, Axl would have to reunite with the original members. It could be done, but the parties involve all choose not to (with the exception of Adler).

If no one in the original band seems to care about the former glory of Guns N' Roses, I'm not sure why anyone here should either. Just enjoy whatever comes our way.

Cheers,

Andrew

There's a reason why certain songs (Coma, Locomotive, TWAT) aren't played very often, if at all. They are very taxing on the vocal chords because there's little break in the vocal parts. You can't expect Axl to sing a song like Coma at the very end of the set. It's a bitch of a song of song to sing and I wouldn't wish that on Axl because a few internet fans are tired of Paradise City.

In fact, I remember having a bootleg of a GNR show from the UYI days in which Duff I believe plays the bass notes for Coma and Axl quickly retorts something like "well, fine but you're singing it."

It's a studio song, not one that's easily reproduced for a vocalist in a live setting.

Paradise City is the perfect closer. Axl can pick when and where he wants to sing after the confetti has been shot off and it allows for a wall of sound with dueling solos. It's upbeat, fun and one of the most popular GNR songs ever written. Moreover, listen to how Paradise City ends and then listen to how Coma ends. As a show closer, Coma just doesn't work as well as Paradise in terms of dramatic effect and lasting impression.

Anyway, that's my opinion.

Cheers,

Andrew

Been to 14, GNR showed up 13 times (Still no idea what happened in Philly).

As far as i know, only Jarmo and I have heard every song but one off Chinese Democracy played live. I'm missing Prostitute.

Cheers,

Andrew

Having been a fan for over 20 years, I really don't get how fans expect anything else. If you're upset that Guns/Axl doesn't do what you want them/him to do, then you don't understand how this band operates. What blows my mind is how certain "fans" feel like we're living in the dark times of GNR productivity. Obviously you weren't around for the '94 to '01 period where all fans got were a fax about Slash leaving, a mug shot of Axl, one interview on MTV, and a decent but half baked song (Oh My God). In the last two years we actually got Chinese Democracy and a year long world tour to promote it. Maybe it didn't follow what you wanted, but if I think back to when I was 16 this has been an unbelievable time to be a GNR fan.

All Axl and the band owes me as a fan is a hell of a show when I buy and ticket and their best effort when they choose to release new album. Other than that, they can do whatever they want; it really has no impact on my life. As Axl once said about those who wait for Chinese Democracy, go live your life. Yeah it sucks when some of the things intended do not come to fruition, but I don't remember Axl/GNR signing anything with their fans that holds them to it.

I don't know Axl or anyone else in the band personally, so I can't speak to their character. But I seriously doubt that their intentions is to purposely tease fans because it gets them off. The organization strikes me as one of good intentions, but for whatever the reasons are, just don't happen. Thankfully for me, I have my own life to worry about. I suggest you do the same.

Cheers,

Andrew

maybe we could take advantage of best buy's new lower price for chinese democracy, and drive the album up the charts. how many records does the number one album sell? could we buy enough of the discounted cd discs to get it on the charts? that would be a pretty amazing feat, and would show how dedicated guns n' roses fans are. does anyone know how many we'd need to buy? then we could calculate how many volunteers we'd need, and how many discs they'd have to buy per person. i think this could be a really inspiring thing for the fans to do for a record that's been ignored by the mainstream media. has anything like that ever happened in music history?

I think your ambitions are noble and genuine, but I have to ask why it's so important to you personally to have Chinese Democracy on the charts? I know we all admire and wish the best for our favourite band, but this attempt to make GNR relevant to today's mainstream isn't our responsibility. Likewise, what exactly would be accomplished if a grass roots movement were able to get CD to chart again? Say we were able to get it to the 21st spot, would anyone notice? Probably not. Other than the artists, label execs, industry people, and hardcore fans, no one really cares how well an album sells. All they care about is whether they like the songs or not. But the public already passed on this album. Whether it got it's fair shake or not is another discussion, but everyone on this forum buying 1000 copies to get it to number one isn't going to change the opinions of the public.

Moreover, Axl's a multi-millionaire, the other guys in GNR are likely doing pretty well. Why would I, someone who makes less money in a year than Axl makes in one concert, spend a good portion of my funds to support something that wasn't really supported by the band itself. Don't get me wrong, the tours were great, I went to three shows, had a great time, but they were a little too late in terms of actual support for the album. I have no idea what went on, what didn't go right, and why Axl and the band decided to no-show when the album came out, but the time to juice the sales of this album that came out over two years ago was at the time of release, not now when it won't be another six to seven months until we're likely to see the band again.

Anyway, I feel like I've thought and expressed way too much for such a subject.

Nothing wrong with wanting to support a band you love, but ask yourself why having CD chart again is so important to you? If Axl really wanted CD to chart again, he could do so much easier than any of us could. But he chooses not to, so why should we?

Cheers,

Andrew

Yeah, that was a great list. I feel like Jeff definitely deserves a lot of credit for keeping a place for GNR fans to congregate and identify with other band members.

A lot of younger fans on here probably have no idea what it was like to be a GNR fan in the early 90s and then in the mid to late 90s. In the early 90s they were the biggest band in the world, by 95 - 96 it was almost akin to labeling yourself a loser by admitting you were a GNR fan. It was until early 2001 or 2002 that I felt the shift and wasn't made fun of for liking the band; but those were some lonely days from '94 to the new millennium. Jeff provided a community for the few diehard fans who stuck with the band when absolutely nothing was going on. For all of you younger fans (15-25) who think it's rough being a GNR now, you absolutely have NO IDEA what it was like to be a GNR fan back in the mid to late 90s. Those were some lean times when it came to GNR news. It would be years before even the slightest rumor or gossip was available about the band. Hell, from '94 to 2001 we had no idea what Axl looked like with exception of his mug shot when he was arrested in an Arizona airport.

I think a few of the posters are still active within the GNR community. I recognize some of the signatures here. I always wondered what happened to Jeff and people like Linda Scott (who was a massive Slash fan - ran his unofficial website for years).

Say what you want about Jarmo, but if it weren't for people like Jeff and Jarmo I'm not sure many people would have stuck with the band holding out for any kind of development. It was definitely a moment in time.

Cheers,

Andrew

P.S. Yes, the list is still active, though Jeff stopped paying for proprietary mailing list service a few years ago. It's not a free mailing list using Google I believe. It certainly doesn't get as many posts as it once did. Ravi, who also mods Jarmo's forum, is probably the most active user. I appreciate his commitment to it.

I got maybe 150 shots last night. Tons of those were awesome:

I'm at the airport on a wireless modem so I can't put them all up till home, but will see what I can do about resizing and uploading and I'll put hi-res ones up at request.

Videos are pretty sweet too, but the sound wasn't -quite- as good as Sydney because the mix wasn't as good. Still some of the best footage from this tour (IMO) and all still in HD. Will take me a few days to get it all up.

Yeah, sweet pictures; seems like you weren't hassled by security when taking them. Is it just me or was it only Canada that security acted like nazis when it came to people with their cameras?

Anyway, nice shots. What kind of a camera set up are you using?

Cheers,

Andrew

Slash wrote Jungle (well, they all had a hand in it), so why shouldn't he be able to be associated with the song? Either way Axl and the rest of the original line-up are getting their royalties for it. Whether Axl likes it or not, people will always associate Slash with Guns N' Roses. It's a big waste of time to sue a video game company because they included Slash as a playable character in their GUITAR game where you could battle out to Jungle. Bottom line - who cares?

I don't believe the issue is the use of 'Welcome to the Jungle,' it's more pertaining to the fact that Axl owns and manages the name, brand and likeliness of "Guns N' Roses." As it is my understanding, Axl's objection is the use of a Guns N' Roses song that requires the use of the Guns N' Roses brand that ties in any way to former members such as Slash. The argument isn't whether Slash or other former members have rights to material that they're responsible for - the issue is the use of the Guns N' Roses moniker and how it is applied.

Axl's contention is that he signed off on using 'Welcome to the Jungle,' and by proxy the use of the Guns N' Roses name and brand, only on condition that former members not be associated with it. Since he owns the name Guns N' Roses, he can do as he likes. If Activision agreed to this, and then subsequently included and used Slash in GH3, then they are in violation of their agreement with Axl and are thus held financially responsible. Owning Guns N' Roses allows Axl to use the name and brand as he sees fit. Whether you, Slash or Activision disagrees with his use of the brand isn't relevant. He could have said, "I don't want any dancing bananas included if you are to use the Guns N' Roses name in your game" and Activision would have to comply if they were to agree to his terms. That the object of Axl's objection is Slash is irrelevant.

I can't speak for Axl, but I think it's assured that he isn't interested in padding Slash's pocket any more than he already has to through shared song royalties. What Axl is arguing here is that his agreement to allow Welcome to the Jungle to be used in GH3 allowed both Slash and Velvet Revolver to financially benefit; something he would not have lent the Guns N' Roses brand had he known that Slash would become the de facto mascot and VR would be allowed to sell their songs for financial gain.

What I find more interesting is how little the public realizes how much vitriol there exists within Axl towards Slash. I think most people think they went their separate ways and aren't fully aware that Axl wants absolutely nothing to do with his former bandmate. Anyone here who's followed this band and Axl knows that this lawsuit wasn't a complete surprise. Axl will always object to any further association of Slash with Guns N' Roses and anyone attempting to do so will likely face his wrath via a rant or litigation.

Cheers,

Andrew

Get the impression from GNR world that ppl are angry with Axl for not releasing new music.

U think he learnd hes lesson from CD, or will he release it when hes 60years old with a grey mustache? Imo this is the time for him to release as much as possible.

This is like round 4 and it should be final round. Tour behind a new album untill 2012 , and then retire for good. Hopefully with the legend status he once had.

I cross my fingers for a new album is scheduled for near future...If he mess around this time press will never forgive him, and he will prob end up like a joke in everyones eyes!

Hes allready being laugh at over at the motley crue and bon jovi forums...

Give urself a little more respect Axl, and show the world the rock god u are

Axl doesn't operate on your timetables or according to your misguided sense of entitlement.

Yeah, no kidding. It's amazing people around here think they know what's right for another human being without knowing them personally. Let the man do whatever he feels fit. He's got nothing to prove; does anyone really need to be the biggest name in music forever. He's done that. Don't equate Axl and GNR's popularity with your own self worth. Saying things like he should release music in 2012 and then retire is absurd. Who cares if the legend status returns or last. Who cares if Axl is being laughed over at MotleCrue and Bon Jovi forums. How often is Bon Jovi being praised here? I wouldn't be too concerned with "the press" considering Axl doesn't seem to really care.

At the end of the day, just enjoy your life and worry less about the actions of others. It's Axl's career, I'll let him worry about it.

Cheers,

Andrew

Below is under the GNR banner

Axl (x13 concerts + 1 time at the after party in Toronto)

Tommy (x14 - 13 with GNR, once when he was touring Gorilla Head, and once at the after party in Toronto)

Richard (x13 concerts + after party)

Dizzy (x13)

Pitman (x13)

Robin (x10)

Bumblefoot (x8)

Brain (x7)

Frank (x6 + 1 at after party)

Buckethead (x5)

DJ (x3 + 1 at after party)

Izzy (x3)

Slash (2 in VR, 1 in Snakepit)

Duff (2 in VR)

Matt (2 in VR)

Never seen Gilby or Adler live.

Cheers,

Andrew

1. Estranged

2. Welcome to the Jungle

3. November Rain

4. Paradise City

5. Mr. Brownstone

6. Yesterdays

7. There Was A Time

8. Don't Cry (alt version)

9. Rocket Queen

10. Patience

Can't believe I went through this list without mentioning Coma. I'll say it ties with Patience then...

Cheers,

Andrew

watching duff play with this lineup was amazing. watching axl and duff sharing the same stage after all this bullshit that's been around for years was fucking amazing. maybe slash can do the same some day, even for just a song or two. it would be awesome. we don't need reunion, we "need" reconciliation. long live guns and roses rock2

Yeah, I'll agree. It was really cool seeing video shots from behind the stage at the beginning of YCBM when Axl and Duff shared centre stage together. For a brief moment it felt like a moment back in '91 and you could only imagine Slash being off to the side and Matt tearing up the drums (I'm partial to the UYI lineup). I do agree with Axl in that no one should be forced to play with anyone. So in that respect I'd only like to see Slash and Axl play again for their own enjoyment, not mine, but it was nice to see the two rock icons share centre stage again and take us all back to twenty years ago when they both belonged to the biggest band in the world.

Cheers,

Andrew

I remember a few years back Blender Magazine ran a summary of what a Metallica concert at MSG would expect to generate. They figured the average ticket price was $60 with the venue selling out at 18000 - 20 000. With 20k people in attendance at $60 a pop, the band MADE $480k. This was the profit margin. At $60 a ticket with 20k in attendance the total revenue is $1.2 million. After venue fees, stage expenses, licensing fees and whatnot it came out to $480k. From that the band would pay themselves, their manager (generally 15%), their entourage and crew. With Metallica being a four man band, I wouldn't be surprised if each member made anywhere between $60-75k for the night.

With a GNR ticket now being on average $70-80, I'll bet total revenue runs around the $2m for both nights combined. While 72k pounds would hurt, I don't think it's going to put them in the negative. Moreover, one has to figure that overrun costs are split amongst the band, I can't see just Axl footing the bill.

In any event, it's really nothing for us to be too concerned about so long as the band is making money, having a good time, and the fans who are in attendance are loving the show. I'm sure at the end of the day everyone goes home happy (though maybe a little lighter in the pockets than originally anticipated).

Cheers,

Andrew

Nice performance. I don't want to hijack this thread, but since it's a "OMFG!!11"-thread, I'm gonna add this gem here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnRwe8Jj9m0

I'm still impressed how he nails it. (And the band of course, but I gotta admit that it's the voice that intrigues me here...)

Yeah, it sounds like he's channeling "1987 Axl" here as his vocals sound almost identical to how they sounded 20 years ago. It's impressive that on the newer material his vocal style is a bit more mature and emotive but he can still bring it back to the rawness of his earlier years when singing the old stuff. He definitely captures that vintage Axl sound in this clip and I'm appreciative for that.

Cheers,

Andrew

Undoubtedly a good song, but extremely poor performance from Axl. He was off key so many times, it was pretty embarrassing.

He's not off key, he's just singing in a lower registry within whatever chord they're playing in. In fact, during the pre-chorus it sounds like he's singing the lower harmony. Sort of like how he sings the last few words in the chorus for Paradise City. It's just easier and less taxing on the vocal chords. So long as he's in the right key (which he is here), I don't have a major problem with it.

Cheers,

Andrew

I think the likely reason people complain more about Axl's stage absences during solos and whatnot has a lot more to do with who's in the band than anything else. A lot of people going to a GNR concert today aren't as familiar with Bumblefoot, Richard and DJ as they would be with Slash, Duff and Izzy. I'm not taking a swipe at the new band members as I think they're all great, it's just a different feeling when Axl leaves the stage and everyone remaining had nothing to do with the classic material.

But you're right, Axl would lead the stage just as often in the early 90s as he does now. It's just a bit more noticeable now since people aren't as familiar with DJ as they were with Slash.

Cheers,

Andrew

Actually, doing a quick search I found this article from Aug 23:

http://www.kikaxemusic.com/news/hard-rock-and-metal/item/1612-video-director-dale-rage-resteghini-gears-up-for-sevendust-hatebreed-feature-film-work

Here's the first paragraph:

World renowned music video director DALE RAGE RESTEGHINI who has worked with everyone from P DIDDY to MUDVAYNE is on the fast track for his major Hollywood feature film and who recently spent 6 weeks in South America with AXL ROSE and GUNS & ROSES shooting footage for a highly anticipated Documentary will be shooting upcoming videos for Rock heavyweights SEVENDUST, CHILDREN OF BODOM, HATEBREED and others.

For as popular as guns is they release less shit than any band in the world. Can you imagine a "making of Chinese Democracy" documentary. Would be epic. Dude could get his story out and people would go see it. Easy promotion.

It is interesting that someone as prolific as Axl Rose supposedly is, very little of it ever sees the light of day. Here's a band that released 5 albums over seven years (87-93), supposedly wrote 70+ songs between '97 and 2004 and for the most part, is considered extremely unproductive by fans and the public alike. I find it fascinating that so much time, money and energy is spent on documenting every single show from 2000 onwards and yet so little is ever seen by the public (other than the rarely release promotional clip).

Then again, if GNR were releasing material all the time perhaps we wouldn't be as drawn to them. Who knows...

Cheers,

Andrew

I actually spoke to DJ about this when I met him in January. I mentioned to him that it's a badass solo and that he and Axl should flesh it into a full fledged song. He yelled "Thanks" and gave me a high-five. He then asked me to turn to Axl (who was a few feet away) and told me to tell Axl that. I wasn't sure what to say so I just said, "cool, cool." But afterward I thought there's no way I'm telling Axl how he should compose GNR songs I figured I'd leave that up to DJ and Axl.

So to address the person who originally posed the question, I'm not sure if it's in the cards. At least during the Canadian leg it didn't seem like there were any designs to turn the solo into a full GNR song, but who knows, things change with time.

Cheers,

Andrew

P.S. Hope DJ doesn't mind me reposting this. Figured enough time has gone by and I'm sure all was said in jest anyway.

Axl's voice really is an acquired taste. When I got into GNR 20 or so years ago I remember I wasn't a huge fan of his voice at the very beginning (though now it's the main reason why I'm such a GNR diehard fan). In that sense, my recommendation would be songs that aren't so heavy on the Axl screech.

Covers (Live and Let Die, Knockin' on Heaven's Door) are a good place to start so he's at least familiar with the material. Then I'd branch off with some of GNR's catchier songs like Paradise City, Mr. Brownstone, Sweet Child O' Mine. If he's not adverse to softer soft you could throw songs like Patience, Don't Cry and November Rain at him.

Don't start him off at GNR's deeper tracks (Coma, Locomotive, Estranged). While great, I don't think they're songs that are easily accessible for new fans.

If none of that works, then I agree with the posters above: associate sex with GNR. Create a pavlovian relationship, though be prepare to put out every time GNR comes on the radio (and avoid football games )

Cheers,

Andrew

It's a pain in the ass when a sex relation tells you they are pregnant, and hope to force you into a love relationship. Sure men should wear protecrion, but it there are always 2 peeps involved when unprotected dick enters the unprotected vagina. You handled the situation well, Dizzwald. Now, next time, fuck her in the ass to prevent further claims.

With kind regards,

Mr. Sensitive

There's already a thread for this, and her claims are YEARS old going back to the pile of shit known as Metal Sludge's Ho Board.

Most of her book was posted in a thread there. Her claims - most of them - are completely unfounded and a lot of them are over-the-top, such as a threesome with Traci and Jeremy Gunns, a gangbang with Avenged Sevenfold and her being pissed on by M Shadows, etc.

She's an attention whore of the worst kind.

It wasn't a gangbang with Avenged Sevenfold (it was Buckcherry and a few other bands); it wasn't M Shadows that pissed on her, it was the guitar player.

I actually just finished this book today; I came across it 'cause it's editor, Neil Strauss, wrote The Dirt and was promoting this.

What I do believe are a lot of the shit that happens, 'cause if it weren't true, it would be liable for slander. What I'm a little unsure of are the actual conversations.

There's one part of the book where Roxana claims Dizzy flips out when she mentions how she's fantasized about Axl. Something akin to how Axl has cost him a lot of money and that he's offended that she'd be into him. I don't doubt that Dizzy really fucked this girl around, but I've got to wonder if he'd speak disparagingly towards Axl with some random chick he just met. Roxana, though a slut, isn't stupid, and she knows that without Axl, Dizzy wouldn't be where he is otherwise.

I'm curious if any conversation of clarification was needed between Axl and Dizzy after this book published.

Cheers,

Andrew

lol sorry working from memory. Close enough.

Problem is no band is going to take her to town for slander. Even if it's not true, if they sue her, suddenly it's a major headline instead of an unknown book far from a bestseller. So she'll likely get off scott-free.

Frankly - and I'm far from a prude - I think she's pathetic, especially the whole talk about her going and screwing days after an abortion.

You also have to question anything GNR related in that book as she's openly stated her desire to get revenge on Dizzy.

I'm not sure she's out to get all of Guns N' Roses. Don't forget on how she ended the book - Roxana fantasizing about Axl as some creepy politician dude did his thing. The only negative thing she has to say about Axl was her disappointment upon hearing he wasn't a one-woman kind of man. Other than that, she had nothing but nice things to say about most of the GNR crew, with possible exception with a little insensitivity by Del when Dizzy was trying to get rid of her.

The most dangerous woman is one who's intelligent but severely damaged, and I think that's what Roxana is. And you can chastise her all you want, but what about the dudes who complied and did the deeds as well. We love rock stars for doing what they do, but the other side of the equation are the girls who provide such glorified services. I'm sure Dizzy would have a very different account for what happened, but at the very least it was interesting to read Roxana's take.

In the end, it's not our lives so I wouldn't get to upset about it.

Cheers,

Andrew