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Way to derail a Slash topic into an anti-Axl one...

Slash section?

Way to take things serious. Read again, most of us are just joking around. At least I am.

Oh come on. When things go the other way (making fun of Slash) you make the same exactly.

Anyway, pretty cool gesture from Slash.

I hope that one day we'll know WHY CD & the rest of the NuGnR saga has known so many delays...

Lazyness, lawsuits or label disputes, I want the truth before I die.

Way to derail a Slash topic into an anti-Axl one...

Slash section?

How to Be a Man

By Duff McKagan Thu., Jan 10 2013 at 12:00AM

Doesn't seem like it's a new article. And the idea that anything in there would piss Axl off is silly.

I hope Dexter does not log in and see your post.

He would be PISSED OFF!

Perfect side of CD:

Oh My God!

That Hilarious!

And... Original too!!!!

Goddammit I love this board!

What if Axl didnt beat her? What if Axl never was mind fucked by TB? What if GnR never broke up?

What if Izzy didn't go weird and Gilby never joined GNR?

Oh come on man... how ignorant can you be? it's all Axl's fault!

Goddammit, I can literally see Axl going apeshit at this. I can hear his blood boiling over the passive-aggressiveness of this ode to dishes-washing...

There are not a lot of perfect hard rock / heavy metal songs... YCBM is one of the few.

Indeed...

As much as I like Ron and his solo stuff, I have a hard time seeing his contribution melting THAT well with Axl's vision (if he still has it/one)

When it comes to Buckethead, his addition was perfect in the scheme of electronica+hardrock+alternative, and his incredible productivity was perfect because Axl could work on A LOT of ideas.

I think BBF was just a live addition, a musician Axl brought to play BH parts because nobody else could. I don't Axl ever wanted him to participate in the writing process of the new record (*cough*).

I think that deep inside, Axl don't see the point in releasing anything without Finck & BH. It would take 1 of those 2 to come back to bring Axl back to life (and on the treadmill)

2002 was maybe a better band but the group now put on a better show

My favorite NuGnR was 2006 with Brain.

The show was great and Finck was a zillion times better than Ashba.

Axl's voice was also 10 times better than what we have now...

Topics like this go nowhere as taste is subjective not objective.

Part of what made GNR so special was that their music was the soundtrack to their own life story and while their lives were madness, the music was glorious.

I find it strange that people compare the experience of listening and watching a bunch of 21 year old drunk and high street rats really living the chaotic rock n roll life and playing songs they actually wrote about it against a well oiled, pampered, sober business machine staffed by professional cover musicians in their 40's. Its just fucking dumb and misses the whole point of what a real band is completely.

But there was such an eccentric maverick genius to the 2002 line up that you could really enjoy the musicianship/performance even though they were raping the originals.

true but its a different band completely, don't get how people can compare them.

Of course

If you want to compare pure musicianship, the 2002 band was better, but music does not work that way, and a lot more factors than just "musicianship", "technicality" and "accuracy" have to be taken into account to judge how great a band was/is.

the whole song hasn't leaked...

Or did it?

1. You're Crazy (Acoustic)

2. Out Ta Get Me

3. Mr. Brownstone

Lies: YC

AFD: ISE

UYI 1: DNB

UYI 2: PTU

Holy shit, I never realised the paradox of Appetite.

On the surface, it's super dirty, nasty, and sexual. But if you look below that, there's this incredible musicianship, deep funk grooves, and an ear for subtly. Something you would never expect from a group that identified as "sleaze rock".

It's a rock 'n' roll album made by a bunch of music nerds who happened to be on lots of uppers. To note, Izzy's acoustic guitar, and harmonics in "Think About You"; Duff's and Steven's work on "Rocket Queen", "My Michelle", and "It's So Easy"; plus the funkiest cut on the record -- "Mr. Brownstone". Come to think of it, the original band (Steven included) were misunderstood geniuses in their own way.

Appetite For Destruction is like if....Sly & The Family Stone, Iggy Pop, and Lynard Skynard had a baby, and the delivering nurse was a raging Beach Boys fan.

Duff said in his book that he & Steven were always playing some funk (especially Sly and the Family Stone since the guy was living next to him).

AFD is great for me for 3 things :

- Mindblowing vocals

- Incredible solo

- Irresisitble groove from the rhythm session

That makes a perfect record for me (same goes for other records like Back in Black, the Black Album...)

I understand that fans of the classic line-up (or Slash-era I should say) likes to shit on Dizzy, probably because he chose to stay with Axl after the rest of the original members left.

I also understand that if you ONLY like AFD and dislike the way GnR evolved in UYI, it's normal that you dislike Dizzy's contributions to the GnR sound.

But the addition of piano and synths is what makes both UYI sound what it sounds like. I listened to both albums today, and I can't tell a song in which I felt that the piano ruined it.

There are songs I think are pretty weak (Breakdown, So fine...), and they would have been weak without piano too.

There are songs with no piano in them (RNDTH, Perfect Crime, YATF, Back off bitch, DTJ, Don't Damn Me, Dead Horse, Coma, GITR, YCBM, My world, The Garden, garden of Eden...) too.

I think it's very needed on some songs like Don't cry, LALD, KOHD & both epics NR & Estranged.

It adds a lot of flavour, rhythm and groove to classic Rock n' Roll songs like Dust n' Bones, Bad Obsession, Bad Apples, Civil War, 14 Years, Yesterdays, Shotgun Blues, PTU & the AWESOME outro of Locomotive.

There is a lot of hate towards Dizzy but the guy helped building the sound that most of you would have loved GnR to evolve in instead of breaking up and turning into what you call a cover band.

I'm not saying that he was a KEY FACTOR, but he was an official member of the UYI line-up, played on a lot of songs and was a great live addition. Therefore I loved his contribution.

1- Rocket Queen

Sexiest and sleaziest song ever; It really defined a genre in my opinion. Sleaze bands nowadays (speaking of US and Scandinavian sleaze scene) have taken a lot from this song alone.

2- Mr Brownstone

Aerosmith meets 70's funk with politically uncorrect lyrics. Nothing beats this.

3- It's so easy

You can smell the streets in which they were sleeping, you can hear people OD'ing and you can see half-naked girls just by humming this song in the shower

Lies : You're Crazy just for the incredible version they played on TV

UYI : Perfect Crime

UYII : Pretty Tied Up

TSI : Black Leather

CD : I love CD but there is nothing sleazy in it

NOTHING by the 2001-2002 version fo the band is equal to the AFD band. They never had a show as energetic or as organic or as mindblowing as the AFD lineup. They never created anything even remotely as iconic or enjoyable as the AFD band. In 2014 if you put the AFD band together on stage, even with Steven they'd blow the 2001=2002 lineup off the stage. The original post isn't controversial it's just straight up fantasy.

You can't be serious. Old band is awesome, but it's not even close. Strictly speaking in terms of live musicianship, old guns couldn't even road crew for new guns. (and yes, I saw them both)

Hahaha how fucking stupid. I can't belive people like you even exist.

Well, that's the archetype of intolerant people speaking. Everyone has his opinion bro, you have no right to say such a tasteless thing.

I've watched and listened bootlegs and lives of all line-ups recently, and you can clearly tell all line-ups have a different flavours.

classic AFD : pure raw power. Fuck-ups were very present, but the magic was there.

UYI line-up : big rock n' roll machine, makes me wanna make a pro-wrestling analogy by saying it was the WCW in his prime : huge talent and huges egos. Could do great things but could not last.

2002 line-up : Incredible musicianship, pure adrenaline and novelty. Everyone was curious to see and hear the strange weird crew Axl assembled and it sounded great.

2006 line-up : my favorite... Brain at his finest, Fortus and Robin "RnR Jesus" Finck. The friendship and comrade-ry in the band was great and there definetely was chemistry. That was my favorite line-up to watch and I miss Brain & Finck so much.

Current line-up : well... that's by far the worst... Ferrer as competent as he is does not have the potential Brain had when it comes to future relases (lol), Ashba is no Finck or Slash, BBF is playing with everyone's nerve and Axl is as lazy as ever... I guess shit is still a flavour, right?

As much as I love the old band, I can't find a live in which they did not fuck up anything. And that's something I expect from my favorite bands. Occasional mistakes can happen, but AFD and even UYI line-ups were very error-prone. Even 2002 line-up used to fuck songs up (YCBM in Rio, gosh that was awful). I've never found errors in a gig enjoyable. It's unprofessional, and as much as I like the band who is playing at that moment, it's something I can't accept as far as I'm concerned.

So yes, the 2001/2002 was better musically speaking than the classic line-up (i'd say on par with the UYI line-up), and there was also some kind of mystic magic attach to this new line-up because nobody knew what was inside the Chinese Democracy album at that point. There was nothing comparable to the AFD line-up because there was no pure raw power and aggressiveness, but there was something else that was (for me) equally enjoyable.

Still, I think the 2006 version of the line-up was absolutely mindblowing. I don't like to compare, give mark or says "this one IS better", but every line-ups has its ups and downs, and 2002 GnR has some great ups and very few downs in my honest opinion.

Imagine a 2010 Coma. Would have been fucking killer. Now I think we can all agree he shouldn't attempt it.

Nope

It's a Slash song like locomotive. It makes no sense for NuGnR to play it in my opinion.

AFD was a REAL collective effort so I understand that every songs can be played by this version of the band, songs like Coma are real a one-man effort.

Those songs are just as much Axl songs as they are Slash songs. If they were Slash songs why hasn't he ever played them live outside of GnR? Because nobody could ever do the vocals justice that's why.

I've never said otherwise.

But I understand why Axl wishes not to play songs Slash wrote entirely (or almost entirely)

Of all of their covers, I'd have to AFD is the best. Lies is cool, UYI is kinda meh, TSI is just weird, and I don't even know where to begin with CD. Some of the red hand covers were good though

Honestly, that's hilarious!

Duff will be the ONE to make Axl & Slash get in speaking terms once again...

That's what a lot of people hope for, but I highly doubt it to be true.

Is Duff still on speaking term with Slash? It's been a long time they haven't been together on stage or publicly, have they?

Duff joined Slash on stage some weeks ago if I'm not mistaken.

yeah he joined slash onstage at the gorge in seattle for it's so easy, and then was at the roxy (? may have been the troub or the whiskey) show a few days ago.

Thanks for the info, I did not have that info.

the mighty Evader should work his magic on a ChaChaLaLa / GNR mashup

Catchachalala in The Rhye

Duff will be the ONE to make Axl & Slash get in speaking terms once again...

That's what a lot of people hope for, but I highly doubt it to be true.

Is Duff still on speaking term with Slash? It's been a long time they haven't been together on stage or publicly, have they?

Just read the whole Chinese Whispers site again. It really is a fascinating read. The whole thing reads like such a tragic story of wasted opportunities. As much as Axl loves to blame outside influences for his inability to get things done the common thread throughout the entire fourteen year saga seemed to be that Axl just never showed up. Whether it be literally showing up to the studio or figuratively not showing up by completing vocals and lyrics for the hours of music that was on tape. It also struck me that while reading through the story I started to really believe that Axl had really compiled dozens of amazing songs in the period between '95 and' 01. But then I remember the reality of the situation that when it came time to showcase the best of what he had in '01 we got Silkworms. A freaking C side level song that I would expect from a no talent goth kid noodling around in a dorm room somewhere. SMH

Also the only people who come across sounding like children without an ounce of credibility in all the hundreds of quotes are Del, Fernando and Beta. And I say this as objectively as possible as someone who just read through the quotes to see everyone's side of the story.

I had it printed on nice paper and made some kind of nice book to read in the train.

very interesting and fascinating... One of the best story/tragedy/clusterfuck of RnR history

Imagine a 2010 Coma. Would have been fucking killer. Now I think we can all agree he shouldn't attempt it.

Nope

It's a Slash song like locomotive. It makes no sense for NuGnR to play it in my opinion.

AFD was a REAL collective effort so I understand that every songs can be played by this version of the band, songs like Coma are real a one-man effort.

I hear Hey Jude but Dudes is similar kind of thing with soaring feel. Both are jukebox classics.

The Na Na Na part is very Hey Jude. But the song seems more like White album or Exile style. It's like OIAM meets Hey Jude.

Catcher is a strange song, on the surface it's pretty nice but if you think about it it's pretty messed up.

Indeed

People like to shit on it because it's NuGnR, but in my opinion it's one of the very best out of ChiDem.

It could have been a classic if NuGnR were a real band that releases music on a regular basis.

I've listened to the whole album and it's a very good and very solid rock record.

I've never been a huge fan of his solo work (I loved Snakepit and VR), and I really intensely dislike Myles vocals, but the riffing and solo'ing is great. Better than on his previous effort I'd say.

I was talking to a friend this weekend who told me without blinking "Myles is the new Axl Rose, get over it"... I did not know where to begin...

Myles, as talented as he is, lacks the raw power Axl had before 92 (I don't wanna talk about the post-breakup Axl in this thread) and his voice is very generic. He may have a 4 octaves range, he sounds to me like all the new generation of singers like Mitchell from Sixx A.M., Daughtry or even the singer from Creed. Great vocal range, lots of emotions, but (in my opinion) lacks from personality and power.

Back on topic, I have the same problem with all Slash's solo records, I get bored after the first 10 songs, but I agree that there are almost no weak songs on it. Very strong record.