- Popular Post
evader
-
Posts
491 -
Joined
-
Last visited
-
Days Won
2
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Store
Events
Posts posted by evader
-
-
5 hours ago, Sweersa said:
Back on topic... I've long wondered if the lead guitar we can hear on the 2010 cell phone recording of The General is Robin or Bucket. I initially felt it was Robin, but, if The General is a song Brain came up with, I feel like he would have been jamming with Bucket then they were having chicken, or does Bucket not eat chicken?
This isn't to say Bucket didn't have some presence on the recording, but I'd bet a bucket of chicken that the solo on the cellphone clip was Robin.
-
2
-
-
5 hours ago, CaioAKR said:
I figure you would be very curious to hear how the real deal stack up, aren't you?
Very much so, but with medium-to-low expectations for the placement accuracy of the blurry, deformed and mutilated puzzle pieces I forced together. I'm not nearly as interested in the lyrics as much as I am curious about the vocal melody.
1 hour ago, Gordon Comstock said:Your version of Silkworms was awesome! Always liked Madagascar (Danube) too.
Your version of The General is ridiculously impressive, but I think people who are basing their expectations off it might be setting themselves up for disappointment or frustration.
Thanks, and I totally forgot about Danube - wonder if I still... yep. Wow, not bad.
You're absolutely right about people setting themselves up for disappointment, and I hope they don't. Strangely, if it is completely different than I expect, it won't bug me at all.
-
1
-
-
8 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:
It brought a lot of joy to people, your work on Silkworms too! I’m looking forward to comparing your version to the real one. Crazy this is happening
Me too, ZoSo. Me too. Funny, f'ing Silkworms from Rio '01 is the track that got me interested in editing audio. I probably put more effort into that than any other mix over the years, starting way back in 2002-ish.
-
3
-
1
-
-
8 minutes ago, WhazUp said:
Hey Evader! Good to see you around these parts. I myself do want to emphasize, I have always thought your work on your version of The General, especially using the vocal stems to make a cohesive melody line in one key, was super impressive and it sounds fantastic
And any points I made here in this thread were in no way a judgement call on the quality and effort of your work on that audio - my points have always been more just that, since the cell phone clip's quality is so bad, there is only so much we can gleam from it with actual 1:1 recreations of the actual song, so that means using what little can be heard, injected with one's own imagination are probably how I figured you made it
And I wanted to make the overall point that as cool as your version is, it is hard to make a judgement call on the quality of the actual song without hearing the full audio of the real thing
Hello there, and no sweat about words of any type. All points of view about my frustrating (and now ancient) work are welcomed. I especially appreciate those that are specific with constructive critique. No lie though, the occasional pats on the back are also quite comforting.
My version required a ton of imagination and "artistic" license, so those that think it is wrong are 100% correct.
-
1
-
-
2 minutes ago, DarkLotus1111 said:
Wasn't there two different intros for "The General" back in 2006? I could've remember back in 2006 there was a different version of that intro. Can anyone confirm?
There used to be a video on YouTube about the intro I'm talking about. I remember it was from Hungary.
There were a few different ones. I think I found 3 or 4, and concluded that there was overlapping of the clips. In total, I figured we had like 4 minutes of song orchestration given to us in various snippets.
-
2
-
-
- Popular Post
- Popular Post
This is some great discussion and speculation.
Regarding whether or not the recreation was fantasy, I suppose in a sense it at least partially was. Maybe like apophenia/pareidolia (not sure if that's the right way to describe it). But, since we already knew way back then that there was an unreleased tune about child abuse, and since (among other instances) I thought I'd heard the word "child" sung in the screaming section at least once......well, who knows?
Anyway, like I said before, my work on that clip was not complete, and a number of things on that version were intentionally seasoned with Buckethead material that IS NOT part of the cell clip (including the replaced solo).
When it was used in a trade and subsequently leaked, I quit working on it, and pretty much quit working on anything related to GNR.
-
10
-
1
-
- Popular Post
2 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:How do you feel about Fernando referring to your version of The General as “raw sewage” on Reddit?
I'm a HUGE fan of freedom of speech, as long as it isn't intentionally deceptive. I can even handle maliciousness despite having a much greater appreciation for constructive criticism.
If my attempted re-creation of that cellphone clip truly is - or ends up proven to be - raw sewage, that's totally fine. I'm just glad some people appreciated the immense effort that went into creating the sewage, which was never even intended for public consumption.
-
6
-
2
-
- Popular Post
5 hours ago, ZoSoRose said:Evader was pretty sure of these, but they don’t make much sense to me. I hope they’re wrong, too, but you can make out a lot of similarities in the leak if you try. They could still be quite wrong, though. No disrespect to Evader
{Chorus}
Do you remember who did it?
Who did that to you...
Who would do this to you?
........Hey there ZoSo. Maybe a correction...... I don't recall saying I was pretty sure of the lyrics, but I do apologize if that happened. I seem to remember thinking that it was 50% correct at best. All that could really be done at the time was identify vowel sounds and "sssss" sounds". So, decyphering the lyrics was like turning "l l l l l l l l l l l" into "LITTLE HILL" (Fringe tv show reference). That said, I think the vocal melody is pretty close to right. Please don't kill me if that turns out to be false.
-
7
-
4
-
1 hour ago, Sweersa said:
What does Axl say right before his screaming in the song you assembled?
"I've got hopes and dreams, and I must feel bolder."
Sweersa, I don't know of anyone else that can hear that in the cellphone clip other than myself, so maybe I just hallucinated it being in there. But I swear, I can hear Axl's speaking voice right there. And actually, I think there's a second voice during the "I must feel bolder" part, and that voice is either a young woman or child. It is so faint I almost didn't include any of it.
Can't remember how I made that little bit. Interviews with Axl, I'm sure - isolating vowels and filling in the "ssss" sounds. The trick for this type of thing is recording your own voice saying or singing it, pulling it up in a software program like Melodyne where you can see the exact way the notes move, and then replacing all of it with Axl clips, shaped very close to the same way.
-
1
-
-
4 hours ago, JimiRose said:
Lol I assure you I am not trolling - I just cannot believe a take of this quality was made based on a phone recording. Granted I haven't actually heard the phone recording (if anyone has it, please feel free to send). What programme did you use to take the rock band vocals and retune them into this song? Are you actually playing any of the instruments or is it completely 'frankenstein' as you say in how it has been put together? Lastly, if this is all your own work, would you legally be able to put it on YouTube as it is an interpretation and would not be a copyright issue?
Programs used for note manipulation - Adobe Audition and Melodyne (Celemony). Super old versions.
I can't play any instruments. I just enjoy putting puzzles together. This thing was basically a one million piece puzzle.
Every snippet and sliver - even those that have been heavily modified - was created initially by professional musicians. I'm no copyright expert, but I'm pretty sure uploading it anywhere would be a "no-no".
-
1
-
-
25 minutes ago, gavgnr said:
he realised it
was told it
-
1
-
-
- Popular Post
2 hours ago, The Holographic Universe said:What does that mean?
He's suggesting the guy is what Americans call a "sucker" - that he's easily duped. If JimiRose wasn't flat-out trolling, I take what he said as a compliment.
On 10/25/2020 at 6:48 AM, JimiRose said:then retune and key them into...
Yes. That's what was done. But it wasn't only from Rockband isolated vocals. Some of those 15 layers were from snippets of vocals isolated from AFD or UYI tracks.
On 10/25/2020 at 6:48 AM, JimiRose said:guitar like buckethead and finck.....
That's actually BH and Finck. Finck stuff is from Rockband. The BH stuff is isolated from a few songs in his monsterous collection. Cant remember where I got the solo, but I barely changed a note from the original.
On 10/25/2020 at 6:48 AM, JimiRose said:professional quality standard
I'm sure many would disagree, though I was trying pretty hard at the time for my own personal amusement.
On 10/25/2020 at 6:48 AM, JimiRose said:There must be 30 instrumental tracks on it. In the chorus there is about 15 axl vocals, some in different voices and tones.
Good guesses. Seriously. My suspicion is that you'd change your tune if you heard the "isolated" vocals. Then again, I don't know. They're kinda awesome in a Frankenstein sense.
On 10/25/2020 at 6:48 AM, JimiRose said:The general is a genuine leak of the first half of the song.
I promise you it is neither a genuine leak, nor is it the first half of the song. The cellphone clip was almost certainly from the latter-half of the song, and I just added/duplicated the outro chorus (soft part) after the screaming section because it made sense from the clip.
Question for mindray11 - had anyone even suggested this was The General before you heard my ludicrous take on it? When I got it, nobody had a clue WTF it was.
-
9
-
6 hours ago, Sweersa said:
I rock out to a version of what you put together in my car from time to time. I hope the instrumental to the eventual official release is as cool as yours.
Thanks for putting in so much hard work on it. Axl's vocals you cleaned up from the party recording gives goosebumps.
That's really, really nice of you to say. Thanks!!
5 hours ago, The Holographic Universe said:What inspired you to add that to Silkworms?
Since I can't remember, my educated guess is "Canadian Whisky".
Did you ever hear the version that has Bucket playing over that outro? It's super simple, but kinda magical too, I thought. Maybe not.
-
1
-
1
-
-
51 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said:
I was watching The Last Dance Episode: 9 and heard a classical composition that you once pieced to the end of your Silkworms remix. I always wondered where you got that piece of music. Turns out it was John Murphy Adaigo in
Yep! I freaking LOVE the Sunshine OST.
-
1 hour ago, lukepowell1988 said:
You ever managed to place remix TIL vocals over the original?
Yeah. Got a reasonably clean vocal rip. Some folks around here have it and would probably hook you up if you want it.
-
- Popular Post
Thank you GNR 1991... and the rest who didn't hate the FrankenGeneral.
Thanks Mindray11 for recording it. Without your quick thinking, I would have neverwastedenjoyed working hundreds of hours on such a fine song.Regarding the guitar discrepancies, I don't know how to play any instruments so of course they aren't a match.
The lead guitars are all made up. The stuff in the intro verse was pretty close to what I 'heard', but the solo was a complete replacement with some funky Bucket stuff I liked better. The early versions had the solo matched note-for-note, only with a Bucket tone and feel, but it still just sounded way too tame to me. The lead guitars in the screaming verse and outro are also just re-timed BH from some of his solo work.
This wasn't made for public consumption, but I suppose I'm glad it found some appreciative ears.
-
7
-
2
-
-
32 minutes ago, RussTCB said:
I was just signing your praises on the A4D podcast that got released today
Oh shit.
I mean...thanks Russ!
EDIT: Aw, shucks, Russ, that was nice of ya!
-
1
-
1
-
-
1 hour ago, GNRfanMILO said:
PERHAPS, 2000-03-27, Rough Mixes CD #1, 3:56
The leak is 3:51, so we are probably missing 4 or 5 secs of the piano intro.
The leaker seems to have made cuts. One for sure was made during the first chorus, at about 1:34, but it is less than a second. Why? I couldn't tell ya.
A second cut could have been made at the beginning of the solo section, but I can't be sure without looking at it with a magnifying glass.
I suspect the other missing time is likely fade out at the end, or dead space at the beginning. Could be wrong, but the start and finish sounds were awfully close to 0:00 and the very end.
-
4
-
-
9 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:
Would be interesting to hear it, but Bumbles solo is excellent. I'd say besides the outro solo in Better or the solo in This I love, it's the best solo on CD.
Ron is spectacularly gifted, and you are right about the solo. I like it too. I've just always wanted to hear Bucket's original intent.
-
1
-
-
1 hour ago, sofine11 said:
Getting Bucket's orginal version of Shackler's would be pretty fucking rad. Wonder if it has vocals.
This x1000. I still can't believe they took a Buckethead guitar solo out of a song written by Buckethead.
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
-
5 minutes ago, RussTCB said:
Fair enough. You're far more of an authority on audio than I am and of course you're entitled to your opinion. I just don't hear it myself :/
Well, I certainly didn't say it sounded good, at least.
It actually sounds like somebody's instrument is out of tune, but the little bit of vocal isolation I did seems to suggest at least that part of it is real.
-
2
-
-
4 minutes ago, RussTCB said:
See below.
Yep.... Yet more "insider information" that's just recycled news from years ago.
Sounds real to me.
When did you think you would tell me?
How long you think I could wait for now, I said...
I'm gonna live 'with now' or die.
I'd only thought you're faced now with livin' with it.-
2
-
2
-
-
9 minutes ago, RussTCB said:
Right on. Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to say that you had anything to do wit this. I just know that it's possible to fake a vocal and was pointing out the (great) work you did
Cool beans. If I ever hear this clip, I should be able to clear up if/how it was faked.
"The General" is officially delayed... but "The General" AND "Monsters" is (unofficially) out of the bag
in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS
Posted
Some old dude with too much time on his hands spent countless hours determining every vocal syllable sound on the cellphone clip, then spliced together re-tuned Axl vocals primarily from the CD stems to make it seem like Axl was singing it. The instrumental was done much the same way, except the orchestra, which included old concert intro soundbytes overlayed with recreations from various other sound generators like FL Studio. Then, he replaced the Finck solo from the clip with some sweet Buckethead wankery (Track 3 of 2007's Cyborg Slunks).