ShadowOfTheWave

10 minutes ago, betterman said:

Hardschool contains organ/keyboards throughout, I have believed it was Melissa all the time. 

I wish they were slightly higher in the mix though. Could really have given the verses a more melancholy feel in contrast to the aggressive chorus if Caram had utilized them properly.

2 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Btw, according to Melissa's website, she "contributed musically" to both (re-recorded versions of) Hard Skool and Absurd. So I guess she re-recorded Pitman's parts on Absurd, but I can't imagine what she did on Hard Skool.

https://www.melissareesemusic.com/about

It also says that Brain is on drums on both songs. So it's Brain on HS, too (and not Frank as we had speculated) and the drum track is probably from around 2003-2004 but heavily processed to fit with the new version.

Aren't there synths that you can barely hear deep in the mix on HS?

Oklahoma and Riad were alternates on the HOB 2001 setlist. Some fans speculated the two were the same song for years, including the one that asked Axl the question about it in the chats. Hate to be a Pele, but while Axl may have had a song formed in his head for Oklahoma, I don't think he ever got around to recording vocals for it, sort of like the "bitch like you" version of Silkworms.

Production issues aside, the BBF OMG is far inferior to the 1999 version. Considering with Absurd Slash just took the BBF version and added a few fills here and there, if that's the direction they're taking I think they should just leave well enough alone.

26 minutes ago, Shacklermyrye said:

MSL? maybe... I can't recall but I have heard that verssion of events somewhere before.

One of the documents that MSL allegedly got from Axl's laptop was dated late 2009 and was titled something like "everyone wants Tommy out and Duff wants back in". Also, in the leaks in 2019 there was a pdf document going around that allegedly said Duff temporarily replaced Tommy in early 2006 but couldn't learn the CD songs fast enough. I never read it.

9 minutes ago, smokingarthur said:

Well technically those songs were never released in any capacity, OMG was obviously on the End Of Days soundtrack as a demo. But the leaks don’t discredit those tracks as new simply because we chose to “illegally” listen to them in their early stages. 

While Axl called OMG a demo in 2008 I don't think it was actually intended as one when it was released in 1999. I think he was expecting the song to be a radio hit and and when it wasn't he tried to distance himself from it.

So it looks like Atlas/Perhaps is indeed the next combo. Then probably OMG 2 and some other track. I really like SOG but I get the feeling it was dropped. Tommy bought the rights back to Going Down and Ten Percenter so it's not Going Down.

10 minutes ago, UYI4 said:

You know what is a bit interesting is if Perhaps is on the setlist, it makes me ask why.  It’s almost like maybe the locker discs came back and were listened to and it was thought as “oh yeah that’s a cool song we can use.”  Almost makes you think that what had vocals on lockers was it other than general etc.  I say that because first we get absurd which we all knew had lyrics due to it had leaked a few years before.  Then, hard skool which had been on a snippet on YouTube for years.  Now Perhaps a lockers song yet none of the others.  Just seems a bit odd. I would expect Atlas would be next or state of grace or both and that’s probably it.  It would be nice to be surprised with something random that we didn’t know existed.  (Yes I know we wouldn’t even know about those if not for locker shit)

The band certainly has a habit of preferring to release stuff that's already leaked. I think the next 4 singles Slash mentioned are Perhaps, Atlas, OMG 2, and maybe State Of Grace. I don't think Axl will ever release songs like The General or Soul Monster. He loves to hoard.

There goes the "he's adjusting the setlist to fit his current voice" theory...

1 hour ago, kanecrescente said:

Agree. #FREEPELE #PELEWASRIGHT

I agree with Pele about everything (except Soul Monster not having vocals) but the problem was he kept repeating the same shit over and over and it derailed discussion. I think he was even muted for a while but then came back and did the same thing.

I understand the desire to hear Axl sing over FTP since Slash presented it to him and he really wanted to work on it, but Scott's singing style and vocal melodies are just too different from Axl for it to really work imo.

Other users on Gnrevo have speculated that perhaps FlashFlood heard wrong, and that Susan meant "anything goes" in terms of the setlist. Which, while a laughable assertion in itself, wouldn't be the first time it was said.

I actually prefer Anything Goes to the other two Hollywood Rose songs GNR has done. Shadow and Reckless Life are rather bland to me, like AFD outtakes. Anything Goes is a little dumb but it's catchy and groovy. 

1 minute ago, TheSlashrose said:

He has talked about new music after 2014? Where? 

At the China Exchange in 2016, he said he showed Slash and Duff CD 2 but he didn't known if soon was the word.

2 minutes ago, Mikey Whipwreck said:

Eh, we've heard from enough sources that have actually heard the material, combined with the leaks, that there are at least 18-20 songs from CD era that existed in some form with vocals 

In 2006, Axl said they were working on 32 songs, 26 of which were "almost" done. Bach claimed to hear 3 albums worth of tracks which could have been an exaggeration but is in line with Axl's quote. Richard,  Dizzy and DJ all commented on a couple albums of material existing after CD

Whether they're deemed worthy of releasing, or something that Axl wants Slash and Duff to rework, is another matter but

Silkworms/Absurd, Hard School, Perhaps, Atlas, Eye On You, State of Grace, Going Down, reworked Oh My God, Nothing, the cell phone recording of The General obviously all exist with vocals, so that's ten. We know that Soul Monster, Oklahoma/Berlin and Seven exist. Don't think it's unreasonable to assume there's another 6-8 "almost finished" songs from 2002-2014 era but again existing and being something that would be viable or of interest for the current lineup to rework and release is another story 

 

I don't really consider stuff like Nothing and Eye On You actual songs, more like sketch ideas. But that's just my view.

13 minutes ago, BucketEgg said:

I've heard of this MSL person before,

but how the hell did that person just somehow access Axl's laptop?! Break in? Remote hacking?

Why is this fandom so weird

Don't know how, but some of the info he got he was certainly real. He revealed song titles such as Going Down & Tonto which were later revealed to be legit. While I do believe MSL has lied about certain things, such as having all of CD II in his possession, he has been accurate before and therefore while any info he gives should be taken with a grain of salt, it should certainly not be disregarded as obviously fake.

My personal belief is that he was trying to sell the documents he obtained from Axl's laptop to the press, but lawyers got involved and he was shut down.

1 hour ago, BucketEgg said:

Gee, I sure hope this is one of those predictions where they were wrong.

(Because they've been wrong before:

Because if that prediction isn't wrong,

then what the hell!?

Where's all the material GnR had!?

All the recordings are just hoarded somewhere?

Did some failed-nerd accidentally wipe out all the recordings and the backup recordings too?

 

 

While Pele was incredibly annoying and hyperbolic with his insistence that there was nothing left that we haven't heard from the leaks, I always thought he was closer to the truth than those who believed there were 20+ completed unreleased songs with Axl vocals. The fact that the CD II track list that MSL got from Axl's laptop had so many alternate versions of CD songs seemed to indicate there wasn't enough songs available to even complete a second album, let alone a third.

I was thinking recently, in November 2014 Richard Fortus said Axl was "doing a lot vocally" in the studio and that one of the songs the band was working originated from a Slash riff. People assume this is Hard Skool because of the Jackie Chan thing but there's also a good possibility it isn't. It would be great if a completed song came out of those 1996 riffs Axl called the 1996 version of Aerosmith Rocks. In his Slash's autobiography he mentioned Axl saving the riffs he liked on DATs from those sessions.

5 hours ago, vloors said:

2017 was not awful. There were plenty of great performances and he still sounded good. 2018 onwards was the big overall vocal drop off. 

Even appearance wise his noticeably more unhealthy looking from 2018 onwards. 2016/17 he looked fit.

Seems he decided to dial it in after those first 2 years of the threeunion and lost that initial motivation.

 

Well, I kind of checked out for most of 2017 and wasn't really following the tour. The clips I did happen to see, like Yesterdays from RIR, were unbelievably bad.

1 hour ago, DeNfr said:

I think Billy said something very interesting here : 

 

"I understand people come to the shows if they want to hear those songs too (the old hits) it's just when that becomes the story if that is the story then I'm dead as an artist and there's no future for my band so what the am I doing standing there I'm nothing but a rodeo clown doing the act from 25 years ago"

 

 

I think GNR was always going to fall into being a nostalgic act though, because Axl is simply not a prolific songwriter like Billy. I don't think it's fair to criticize Axl for not writing more music, he has said he suffers from writer's block and there's no point in him trying if the feeling isn't there. Hoarding completed songs for decades is a different matter.

20 hours ago, Alexmee239 said:

That is just not true. Axl was a beast in 2016 and even 2017. Of course now he isn't as energetic as he was in 2009, that's almost 15 year ago.

Axl's voice was top notch through most of 2016, but he was awful in 2017. Even in late 2016 on the SA tour Mickey was starting to take over.

8 minutes ago, jimisbatman said:

Yeah I agree. What I struggle with is, on one hand he did TWAT, MADAGASCAR, prostitute, this I love, & OMG, which are amazing in my books, aka gnr 2.0.....then, on the other hand, releases completely fucked up mixes of HS & Absurd. 

The pre-2011 Axl who made CD is very different from the Axl we have now. Whether it's medication, stroke or any number of things that have been speculated, he just doesn't give a shit anymore.

6 minutes ago, jamillos said:

With mickey Axl? No thanks. I'd prefer Bad Obsession or at least PTU, although there's also some rasp. 

Axl sounded great on PTU in the 2020 Mexico rehearsal, shame it was dropped from the alts. Surprisingly he sounded great on TAY as well.