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    The Girls Behind Guns N’ Roses (Uproxx Part 3)

    in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS

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    "It seemed like the most happening thing to do. It was the most dangerous thing in Hollywood at the time. Everybody was completely bent on whooping ass on The Strip. So of course we wanted them to win. I used to get phone calls from the road all the time. Izzy'd be like 'We're out of gas, can you get us bus fare back, can you get us this, we lost the van...'. And just nobody would give in, we were just too pissed off to give in. I'm sort of one of those girls that likes to stir the pot. When Axl would do it, I could be like... It's only when I was actually trying to write. It was a couple friends, you know, both of us just sitting there, writing. You guys are going to be studying this one day."

    1999 album?

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    Honestly, the record company behind the scenes crap is just as much, or more so to blame for lack of material IMO. When Axl says it's ready, you fucking put it out, you don't say no...

    Guns N' Roses was no longer Guns N' Roses at that point, though. It was Axl's experiment that could either crash hard or make millions. The label needed to minimize the risk of Axl ruining the Guns N' Roses brand.

    Slash said that in an interview someone posted recently - he didn't give a shit what Axl was doing, but he didn't want the fans to hate it or think it was a joke. If Axl would have did a solo album, at least the band could have went back to "Guns N' Roses" and the brand would have been unharmed.

    Axl killed the brand.

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    1999 album?

    in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS

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    I think Protools existing was the biggest burden to this album - Axl editing Brian May's solo to the point where Brian didn't even recognize it was absolutely inexcusable.

    I wonder if the demo that leaked of Catcher was Brian's solo as he played it, or one of Axl's edits?

    The solo on the leaked Catcher demo is Axl and his engineer taking a throwaway take of Brian as Axl called it and rebuilding it really. That's the version that was unrecognized to Brian when he first heard it according to Axl.

    And it is excusable imo: the solo on the demo is great.

    But think about that- Axl copied and pasted guitar parts for 10 years instead of trusting his players to do a competent job.

    1999 album?

    in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS

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    I think Protools existing was the biggest burden to this album - Axl editing Brian May's solo to the point where Brian didn't even recognize it was absolutely inexcusable.

    I wonder if the demo that leaked of Catcher was Brian's solo as he played it, or one of Axl's edits?

    When did the 2010 rasp start to disappear?

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    It really raises the question of what happened between December 2010 & October 2011. It's obvious he didn't prepare enough for it, but to never really pull out of that funk is interesting. I always wonder if the immense amount of backlash from RIR '11 made him sort of say "fuck it" the rest of the tour.

    He didn't get his way with the Azoff lawsuit - maybe that put him back into depression:

    http://noisecreep.com/axl-rose-and-irving-azoff-settle-lawsuit/

    Could be. And if I'm reading that right it looks like a big reason for the 2011 tour was to hit Live Nation owned venues to fulfill a legal settlement, so not something Axl would care about hitting with a ton of gusto.

    And by pissing off Azoff, Axl's probably blacklisted from ever performing in big venues that Live Nation controls after that tour. Which explains the 3 years of small clubs and residencies.

    When did the 2010 rasp start to disappear?

    in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS

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    It really raises the question of what happened between December 2010 & October 2011. It's obvious he didn't prepare enough for it, but to never really pull out of that funk is interesting. I always wonder if the immense amount of backlash from RIR '11 made him sort of say "fuck it" the rest of the tour.

    He didn't get his way with the Azoff lawsuit - maybe that put him back into depression:

    http://noisecreep.com/axl-rose-and-irving-azoff-settle-lawsuit/

    Axl still sounded 2010-quality when I saw Guns' in November 2011 in Hamilton. The first 3 Vegas shows I saw in 2012 were also topnotch while Quebec in July 2013 was like the AFDemocracy DVD where Axl was pretty much completely winded after Mr. Brownstone.

    Ah yes, the infamous "I WAS AT THE SHOW - HE SOUNDED TREMENDOUS" defense.

    I was in Hamilton. It was fun, but the videos don't lie - his voice was bad.

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    1999 album?

    in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS

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    Bob Ezrin's story:

    http://www.gunsnfnroses.com/index.php?/topic/22400-bob-ezrin-talks-about-chinese-democracy-and-axl-roses-entourage/

    I’ve read that you told him he had about 2 ½ songs or 3 ½ songs. Something like that.
    Yeah, I probably did. It started off when Jimmy Iovine (ed: producer, chairman of Interscope/ Geffen) asked me for a big favour.
    They were stuck, they were stuck in a studio in North Hollywood for years with Roy Thomas Baker (ed: Queen’s producer), and nothing was happening. They were paying enormous rental bills and they were paying people to sit around the studio waiting for Axl to show up and it was just a disaster.
    I agreed to go there immediately and listen to a bunch of stuff. What I heard was – I don’t know how to say this without be insulting, I don’t want to be insulting because he worked very hard on it – but what I heard was something that he had painted over too many times. So, by the time I heard it, the original content was lost and it was just a highly produced piece of something…
    Anyway, I agreed to help out if Axl would agree to work with me, which he did. He had the idea that the only person who could finish the album with him was me, based on what I don’t know. I came, I listened, I said to him I will listen and will give you notes we will see together. I spent a lot of time listening. I went to see Jimmy Iovine and I gave him my perception of the situation, including the fact that they had to get out of Rumbo Studios immediately – not because Rumbo is a bad studio, it’s a wonderful studio – but because they needed to be closer to the scrutiny of the record company and Jimmy’s team, so there could be at least some measure of control. And I recommended we move them to the Village Recorder in West Hollywood. So, they did that, and moved everybody there.
    I had to wait to talk to Axl because he avoided me. He was nervous about hearing what I had to say. We finally met, on a night when my wife – who was then my girlfriend – came down from Toronto to visit me and we were having a dinner with friends at my house. She was cooking when I got a phone call from Jimmy Iovine saying that I needed to come meet Axl and I said “I can’t tonight. I’m booked”. And Jimmy replied saying “ok” (laughs). No he didn’t. When he wants something, he really knows how to get it. Anyway, he basically guilt-tripped me and I told him “Ok, I will be there at 8pm and I will leave there at 8.30, whether Axl shows up or not”, because that was Axl. Because last time we had an appointment at 10pm and Axl showed up at 2 in the morning. “So tell Axl that’s it”.
    I went to the restaurant at 8 and a team of Axl supporters and hangers-on showed up and joined me at the table – and no Axl. Axl finally came about 8:25 (laughs). Anyway, I told him basically what you’ve heard. I didn’t tell him “you have 2 ½ songs” and when he sat down, he started saying me that he has finished the record. And I said “Axl, we are not ready to mix this record. This record isn’t ready to be mixed”.
    I said “there are two great songs on it and I know that you’re capable of more, that’s the reason why I’m here. You’re such a great talent and I would do you a disservice if I didn’t tell you the truth, which is that most of the songs aren’t great. But I‘m very happy to help you get there and I believe that it’s possible, if you would like to continue to work on the record, to make it better”.
    He said “I don’t agree with that. We are ready to mix”. And I told him “you have my number, if you change your mind let me know, but I have a dinner party at home now and I had to go”.
    I left and I haven’t heard from him since. It was years later when it came out.
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    SLASH Shoots Down Claim His Relationship With AXL ROSE Was Torn Over MICHAEL JACKSON Collaboration

    in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS

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    The root of this is Axl doing the past-life regression therapy (which is quack bullshit) and somehow thinking from the therapy that he was raped as a child.

    1. The rape in all likelihood never happened

    2. Axl now has a rape-victim complex

    3. He's also bipolar

    Yeah if I'm Slash, I really don't know what to apologize for. Axl got taken advantage of by faith-healers and leaches. His inner circle is bleeding him dry, and he thinks that's his "family".

    All in all, an unfortunate situation.

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