TheSeeker

I brought up before that maybe not having Baz/Baz's vocal coach on the road is what prevents Axl from properly warming up and excelling.

Baz hasn't toured with the band since pre-2011.

If Axl wants to do the right thing, he'd give part ownership of the band back to Slash. The band has potential to make a lot more money with Slash in the band than without him, so why not be the bigger man and make things right?

Because Axl isn't motivated by money?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Alright let me rephrase - the band has potential to be much more successful with Slash than with out him, so why not give him part ownership?

Because Axl isn't interested in letting go of control just to sell more tickets at reunion shows?

Axl will never have a charting album again without Slash. Axl will never have a charting song again without Slash. Axl will never be able to do a stadium tour again without Slash.

That might be true, but it doesn't necesarrily mean that Axl agrees with you, nor that those things are THAT important to Axl any more, at least not so important that he would be willing to what I think he would consider to be swallowing his pride, going back on his words, admiting that Slash is important to him, and letting a person into his life that he obviously detests, to achieve it.

You're admitting that Axl puts his own interests above those of Guns N' Roses.

Well said.

I think Axl considers his interests to be identical to Guns N' Roses' interests. After all, for all practical purposes, he IS GN'R now with full control of the band.

And that is why the mainstream doesn't care about Guns N' Roses in 2015.

Axl is the captain of the ship. The ship is currently sinking, going in circles, and the captain hires people to tell him everything is fine and that he was totally justified in throwing his former shipmates overboard.

Maybe Fernando is sick of bailing water.

If Axl wants to do the right thing, he'd give part ownership of the band back to Slash. The band has potential to make a lot more money with Slash in the band than without him, so why not be the bigger man and make things right?

Because Axl isn't motivated by money?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Alright let me rephrase - the band has potential to be much more successful with Slash than with out him, so why not give him part ownership?

Because Axl isn't interested in letting go of control just to sell more tickets at reunion shows?

Axl will never have a charting album again without Slash. Axl will never have a charting song again without Slash. Axl will never be able to do a stadium tour again without Slash.

That might be true, but it doesn't necesarrily mean that Axl agrees with you, nor that those things are THAT important to Axl any more, at least not so important that he would be willing to what I think he would consider to be swallowing his pride, going back on his words, admiting that Slash is important to him, and letting a person into his life that he obviously detests, to achieve it.

You're admitting that Axl puts his own interests above those of Guns N' Roses.

Well said.

If Axl wants to do the right thing, he'd give part ownership of the band back to Slash. The band has potential to make a lot more money with Slash in the band than without him, so why not be the bigger man and make things right?

Because Axl isn't motivated by money?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Alright let me rephrase - the band has potential to be much more successful with Slash than with out him, so why not give him part ownership?

Because Axl isn't interested in letting go of control just to sell more tickets at reunion shows?

Axl will never have a charting album again without Slash. Axl will never have a charting song again without Slash. Axl will never be able to do a stadium tour again without Slash.

How about Axl gets off his ass and stops settling for Fat Elvis residencies. I saw the Rolling Stones recently - Mick moves better than Axl has moved in over 20 years. He's 71.

If Axl wants to do the right thing, he'd give part ownership of the band back to Slash. The band has potential to make a lot more money with Slash in the band than without him, so why not be the bigger man and make things right?

Because Axl isn't motivated by money?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Alright let me rephrase - the band has potential to be much more successful with Slash than with out him, so why not give him part ownership?

The other reason this probably won't happen is because I seriously, seriously doubt Slash lets Team Brazil manage the band. If Slash comes back he'll never be an actual member again, just a hired hand like everyone else has been since 1996.

That's fine for a one-off or a short reunion tour, but lol if you think Slash would take orders from Axl on an ongoing basis.

If Axl wants to do the right thing, he'd give part ownership of the band back to Slash. The band has potential to make a lot more money with Slash in the band than without him, so why not be the bigger man and make things right?

I wonder if Perla being out of the picture helped things along.

Strange timing.

Oh yeah the whole Perla/Beta talk reminds me...

How does Beta feel about all this?

Axl hasn't toured in a year and the gravy train is drying up.

She needs a new source of income. Reunion income.

I did You Could Be Mine once and got booed because the intro was so long

2011-2014 is kind of like 2001-2002 in that I'm just going to pretend it never happened

It still sucks

This guy's got the voice down, fuck

Fernando - you've found your new singer

People forget that even in 1991, rap videos were relegated to Yo! MTV Raps a few hours every week and that was it.

Axl said in the Eddie Trunk interview from 2006 that he wanted NWA on the Use Your Illusion tour instead of Skid Row, and he said it was because "nobody knew who those guys were". White people today probably don't' know 95% of the acts on BET - Axl was going to expose NWA to a white audience that otherwise wouldn't seek them out.

Those are two different matters. How Axl conducts his state of affairs are his business. How this forum operates and facilitates conversation is the business of the staff and those who participate.

You just claimed to not support false narratives, but you are actively supporting a man who perpetuates false narratives on behalf of Axl Rose.

And you are supporting him by re-framing narratives in his favor.

You are a liar.

If you want to accuse us of controlling the narrative, that's fine. Because I certainly don't want any part of a narrative that's reinforced by vulgarity and overt hostility.

So you don't want any part of Axl's narrative regarding the past 20 years of Guns N' Roses.

Because that is certainly reinforced by vulgarity and hostility.

Just a suggestion that you people should try to do some interviews with Ron, Fortus, Frank, Pitman and Tommy. They are not hard to contact and they will easily do an interview, they are hungry for promotion.

What the hell are they promoting?

Show me where a mod or an admin jumped down someone's throat for voicing their opinion on the band? We don't do that here.

You are deleting posts without explanation - that is ten times worse. Controlling the narrative is not the job of a moderator.

If you can't accept someone saying "fuck", just add a wordfilter that changes "fuck" to "forget" and be done with it.

But that's all besides the point. Here's what happens if we did nothing: a) it gives the impression that it's okay for others to tell Fernando or anyone else off because they disagree with something they say; b) once others start telling Fernando to fuck off and we're forced to step in because it gets out of hand, then we're accused of playing favourites because we did nothing when Mags did it. Let's acknowledge that there is a ton of frustration and anger towards the band and that many would love an opportunity to tee off on someone connected if given the chance. We're simply not going to allow the forum to serve as a springboard for that purpose. Maybe you and others are fine with a forum where we allow others to clog up threads in nasty pissing matches but myself, the staff, and others are not. It will ultimately result in a lot more work for a staff that doesn't get paid and does volunteers their time to make this forum work.

So lock that thread. By pinning that thread, you basically hung a piñata and are telling people not to hit it.

We finally have a member of management stop by and willing to start an informal and casual dialogue with the fanbase. Sure, many felt that the communication and information provided by Fernando was light, inconsistent, and underwhelming.

You're admitting that the piñata is empty inside.

Take down the piñata.

No, because the other option is that we ask people to see it for what it is. If you don't find it worthwhile or you can't be respectful then don't participate. Again, you're welcome to criticize and voice your frustrations, but if you can't be mature about it then your post will be removed and you'll be asked to leave. That thread represents less than one percent of the forum. There is way more to this forum that that one thread. There's plenty of other topics you and others can participate in if you're not down for following the guidelines of that one thread. Many others do enjoy it for what it is. Why should we close it because yourself and others don't agree?

You drank the Kool Aid, man. I've already talked to like 20 people who aren't posting here anymore because of this.

MyGNR was the refuge of freedom after Jarmo went insane and started obsessively deleting posts on HTGTH, trying to censor opposing viewpoints.

So i ask you this - how is what you're doing any different than what Jarmo was doing?

Fernando on htgth:

"Maybe this is something, shit maybe it's more ammunition for the selected few to feed from it. But we are working in rebuilding our current so-called webstore into something that fits GNR's brand. Should be done here soon, a week or two I would imagine. Just got our first mockup of the store a few hours ago. "

If that's the news Fernando was alluding to, then that is extremely underwhelming, BUT, as a fan of the band I still appreciate that things happen and that everything isn't completelt dead. The fact that they bother to work on a webstore could mean that other things are to come, too. Let's keep hoping.

I'm crossing my fingers for the latter.

How about less crossing fingers and more talking?

Fernando - what new merchandise can we expect from the new web store? And when will it be available?

Don't management already have their own fan forum that Fernando could easily go to and they could moderate and sanitize discussion to their heart's content, by the way? Hmm, but nobody goes there. I wonder why...

It's almost like the admin here has a deathwish and wants the forum to become a ghost town like HTGTH.

This is a good first step.

But that's all besides the point. Here's what happens if we did nothing: a) it gives the impression that it's okay for others to tell Fernando or anyone else off because they disagree with something they say; b) once others start telling Fernando to fuck off and we're forced to step in because it gets out of hand, then we're accused of playing favourites because we did nothing when Mags did it. Let's acknowledge that there is a ton of frustration and anger towards the band and that many would love an opportunity to tee off on someone connected if given the chance. We're simply not going to allow the forum to serve as a springboard for that purpose. Maybe you and others are fine with a forum where we allow others to clog up threads in nasty pissing matches but myself, the staff, and others are not. It will ultimately result in a lot more work for a staff that doesn't get paid and does volunteers their time to make this forum work.

So lock that thread. By pinning that thread, you basically hung a piñata and are telling people not to hit it.

You're admitting that the piñata is empty inside.

Take down the piñata.

No, there are those who won't respond to a band being dysfunctional by lashing out like small children who wants something they can't get, or leave our of frustration. I would think the more or less silent majority still hangs around and hopes that somethign will eventually happen. But granted, those that don't tend to be the most vocal about how butthurt they are.

Maybe it's because we've all moved on and come back to laugh at the clown show.

I have a theory that the diehards just want the entire fanbase to die so they can get closer to the stage at the next Vegas residency. At the rate this band is going, you'll be able to get front row seats to see GNR at the local bowling alley very soon.

Fernando - are you or your family an heir to any part of Axl's fortune?

If so, shouldn't you resign as GNR's manager since that is a conflict of interest?

I agree that Axl is responsible for the mess. But how come there is nobody out there being capable of telling him that he fucked it up? Axl is a guy who destroys everything he touches. The band, the legacy, friendships, love relationships and he is even destrying himself. The guy can´t sing anymore. His career depends on his voice

There has to be someone out there who can stop his Appetite For Destruction. Somebody who could help him to get his shit together. TB is showing they are not the right people to do it. But I guess they could seek help

Why would Team Brazil risk their sugar daddy getting his psychological issues addressed and finding out Team Brazil isn't good to have around?

Read about how Eugene Landry controlled every aspect of Brian Wilson's life and tell me it's not creepily similar to how Team Brazil currently controls Axl:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Landy

Using his unorthodox 24-hour therapy, Landy was successful in limiting Wilson's drug abuse and improving his physical appearance and overall health. In the process, however, he was accused of brainwashing, drugging and isolating his patient, then benefiting from an improper business relationship with him. These charges ultimately cost Landy his professional license and reputation and earned him the brand of a "Doctor Feelgood" in the press.

Beta is Axl's "Doctor Feelgood"