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50 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

"V" is also absent on Nothing and Thyme. So what about those? Wouldn't it then mean that those two songs had finished vocals at the time of that list?

See, the problem with your theory is not that it's completely out of the question. The problem with it (which you still don't seem to get after all this time of repeating the same argument) is that your premise is nonsensical; it's merely based on the fallacy that what we haven't heard doesn't exist.

That could be it, yes.

Thyme says lyrics, so I'd guess he'd need to work on Lyrics.

Nothing had a question mark, indicating it might not be used?

Look - the list is clearly thrown together using shorthand and abbreviated words etc.  Loads of question marks.  The 'glossary' obviously isn't an exact science - it could mean anything.

I'll say it again.

I think 'V' being present on nearly all new songs that we never heard vocals on (Tonto, Soulmonster, Cuban Slies, Monstrosity) and absent on the songs we know 100% had vocals (Atlas, Perhaps, Silkworms, Goin Down) suggests it means Vocals need to be done.

57 minutes ago, Lies They Tell said:

Yes, they're releasing the songs that Axl has. And according to Slash they'll make an album out of all the songs eventually. That's exactly what I've been saying.

So what do you want to revise?

Ok.

Slash says they are going to release the songs Axl has available.

I think those songs are EXCLUSIVELY Atlas/Perhaps/General.

You think he has others (lol).

So the best would be if they release any song other than the 3 I list within 12 months, you win?

There would have to be a 'fair and reasonable' agreement. I.e. - you wouldn't win on OMG/Crash Diet/Aint Goin Down or anything like that.  Equally, if some utter non-song, like a 'My World' equivalent (like Blood in the Water etc) came out, it would be void.

31 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

I think there is a chance that the list (presumably dated Jan. 2008) is real or semi-real if it indeed circulated in 2011, because it contains titles that were not known before the Village leaks. I personally hadn't seen it before the Village leaks, but I wasn't around on the forums before 2016 and a few people have said they'd seen it, so I don't know.

Supposing it's real:

Someone earlier in this thread suggested that "V" could mean "verse". This interpretation makes more sense than "vocals", because there are also "Ch" and "Br", which could be "chorus" and "bridge" respectively. So it could mean that those parts of the songs needed additional work, probably vocals or vocal overdubs.

Then there is "L" next to Atlas Shrugged, which doesn't make sense to be "lyrics", since that song already had lyrics. Moreover, there is "lyr" next to Monstrosity,  and it's not likely that there would be two different "code signs" for lyrics. So "L" must have stood for something other than lyrics - maybe "layer"?

I can't think what "H" (next to Silkworms) and "M" (next to Soulmonster) could have stood for.

I wouldn't look too much into the difference between L and Lyr - the list is clearly quickly thrown together.  It's plausible both mean lyrics IMO.

V could mean verse, I agree - following on from Ch for Chorus and Br for Bridge.

Not sure why Atlas has a L.  There could have been an intent to change some words, or the guy who compiled the list may have been wrong, or it could mean something else entirely.

I think 'V' being present on ALL new songs that we never heard vocals on (Tonto, Soulmonster, Cuban Slies, Monstrosity) and absent on the songs we know 100% had vocals (Atlas, Perhaps, Silkworms, Goin Down) suggests it means Vocals need to be done.

6 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Has anyone ever commented on whether Axl might have recorded vocals after 1999? I don't know why, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone post about that. 

Yes, several times.  He did, but not many.

37 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

If V means it needs vocals, then Monstrosity needs vocals and lyrics... does that make sense? If, at all, that would mean he has vocals for all these songs and he just needed to record them while he had to work on Monstrosity's lyrics.

I would say thats all bullshit and this list is fake as almost everything else that concerns GNR and insider information. 

Read the post properly.

It's credible:

• It predates Going Down leak
• Nothing and Perhaps were never ever mentioned by anyone until the Village Leaks
• The 2006 leak proved there were alternate versions of TIL and Better
• The locker leak had a recording of Knockin on Heavens Door (which unbelievably looks like it was considered for inclusion)

If it was fake - it was created by someone who knew what the band was working on way, way before Village Leaks.

Yes, of course Monstrosity needing vocals and lyrics makes sense.  I imagine it needed further lyrics writing and vocals recording.  Why is that difficult to comprehend?

Also, judging by punctuation and shortened titles etc, it just looks like a rough list where someone has quickly added 'V' or 'Lyr' to indicate what might need doing.

5 minutes ago, Lies They Tell said:

The only one? Dude, I've literally made a bet with you that the band will release new songs other than Atlas, Perhaps and the General.

Wasn't your terms within 10 years 

Now Slash has said they are releasing the songs Axl has, why don't we revise that?

So in addition to the above, I believe in 2008, he had released Chinese, had the leftovers we've all heard (Perhaps/HardSkool/Silkworms/Atlas) and was working on the following:

• Cuban Skies V
• The General V
• Soul M V
• Tonto V
• Monstrosity V lyr
• Nothin?

My guess is he finished vocals for The General.

The label told him they weren't interested in that idea of an album at all, and he abandoned it there and then, leaving Cuban Skies, Tonto, Soul Monster, Monstrosity and Nothin abandoned and unfinished.

Anyone disagree?

If you disagree, presumable you think Cuban SLies, Tonto, Soul Monster, Monstosity or Nothing were finished and will be included in the batch of songs Slash says are coming?

Or do you agree with me, and think the songs Slash talks about will end up being Atlas, Perhaps and maybe The General?

2 hours ago, mattromero said:

where's this leaked tracklist?

There was a screenshot of an email, from Jan 2008, stating the CD2 tracklist is as follows:

1. Cuban Skies V
2. The General Ch V
3. Atlas L
4. Soul M V
5. Silk H
6. Thyme L
7. Pro2 V
8. ChiD 2 V?
9. Better 2
10. TIL2
11. Goin Down
12. Tonto V Br
13. Monstrosity V lyr
14. Catcher?
15. Nothing?
16. JChan?
17. ?? L editing V
18. Perhaps?
19. 4 Heavens sing?
20. OMG2 ?
21. Light My Fire

This was posted years before village leaks. 

It's credible:

• It predates Going Down leak
• Nothing and Perhaps were never ever mentioned by anyone until the Village Leaks
• The 2006 leak proved there were alternate versions of TIL and Better
• The locker leak had a recording of Knockin on Heavens Door (which unbelievably looks like it was considered for inclusion)

We don't know what the letters mean.  I strongly believe 'V' means need vocals.  If that's the case, it fits my prediction perfectly as:

• Cuban Skies would need vocals
• General possibly needed vocals at the time of writing
• Tonto would need vocals
• Monstrosity would need vocals
• Atlas doesn't have a V and we know it has vocals
• Silkworms doesn't have a V and we know it has vocals
• TIL2 doesn't have a V and we know it has vocals
• Perhaps doesn't have a V and we know it has vocals
• Going Down doesn't have a V and we know it has vocals

It's a very interesting list.

It's clear that that track-list is not an album 'ready to go at all'

It looks to me like a concept offering of a hybrid album, made up of Chinese leftovers, new versions of existing songs, and the intent to record vocals on some new songs.

People say he had an album ready to go and it was rejected.

I say he had a 'concept' rejected.  They were never gonna accept an album containing reworked versions of ChiDem songs, and Atlas/Silkworms/Perhaps .  No matter how good Cuban Skies, General, Tonto, Monstrosity would have turned out (shit anyway is my guess), they couldn't prop up that garbage release.

53 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Years? I can only remember you nagging about this here for a few months. But it definitely feels like years. 

You feel the need to reply to every message telling me I'm wrong 

Your world is gonna collapse when they release Atlas and Perhaps and then go silent.

And it's gonna be funny reading you say you're not bothered over and over again, and how your little prince has definitely recorded Elvis Presley and the Monster of Soul/Soulmonster/Leave Me Alone or whatever version 22 of this instrumental is called these days.....

1 hour ago, SoundOfAGun said:

I think everyone is clear on your position dude, you've mentioned it a couple of times now.

What' your position?  You think I'm wrong?

1 hour ago, fabrph5 said:

And again, your opinion is nothing exist besides the General.  In reality their could be nothing or an entire album almost done, correct?

Of course.  In reality, there could be an entire album almost done.

I strongly believe there isn't, and have been saying it for years.

I strongly believe the ONLY completed songs he has in his fictional 'vault' are Perhaps, Atlas Shrugged and The General.

I feared we never know the answer.

In a beautiful twist of fate - Slash has come out and said they haven't written new songs, they are just going to release the songs Axl has completed.

So we are going to see if I'm right or wrong.

For all the people bitching, and telling me I'm wrong.  Stop worrying about it now.  If I'm wrong, those songs Slash refers to will be alternate/additional to Atlas/Perhaps/General and everything I've said would be completely discredited.

Sweersa insists that Elvis and Zodiac with full vocals exist, so he'll be expecting these to be among the batch of upcoming releases.

No issues with Sweersa, he's the only one who has had the balls to admit he believes these songs are real, with finished vocals and ready to go.

What I find pathetic are the ones who defend Rose and argue with my every post, yet refuse to state they believe the releases won't be anything other than Atlas/Perhaps/General.  These guys are checking for news everyday, desperately desperately hoping something new comes out - yet will pretend they are happy when it's Atlas, and that it still doesn't prove anything.

When Atlas/Perhaps come, it won't 'prove' anything but it will be even more apparent to anyone with half a brain-cell why these were the songs selected.  And when these releases suddenly stop, and all these fantasy songs (Zodiac, Seven, Leave Me Alone, Ides of March, Elvis, Soulmonster etc) never surface, most will understand.

6 hours ago, fabrph5 said:

what song are you pretending you heard? 

I'm referring to Atlas Shrugged.  The guy hasn't heard it and is looking forward to hearing the Slash version.  He's gonna be disappointed when he realizes it's similar but shitter than Catcher.

I've heard nothing other than what you all have.  Mainly because nothing else exists apart from General.

On 2/16/2022 at 9:15 PM, Free Bird said:

Thanks but I'll judge myself IF it's going to be released someday. 

And what if it's not?

You'll go your whole life never listening to it, because you're such a moral super-fan who'd never dream of disrespecting Prince Rose and the Lebeis clan by listening to sings they haven't formally released?

The rest of us have heard it.  And it's dreadful.

31 minutes ago, deathrevan said:

Are you sure Scraped was written after he left?  He plays the solo at the end of the song.

Does he?  Doesn't everyone go on about Scraped being the last one written from CD?

3 hours ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

Glad Axl got rid of him.

Yeah, cause that went well for him.  He sure showed him.

Buckethead featured heavily on the album that eventually came out.  The only song written after he left was Scraped (by far the worst song on the record).

Buckethead got the credits without having to pretend he was in a real band after 2003.

9 hours ago, Free Bird said:

I'm not dissapointed with any dong I haven't heard. I'm not that interested in CD stuff.

I mean the disappointment of actually hearing it.  You're not gonna be prepared for how utterly shit and underwhelming it is.

18 hours ago, lilacmess said:

What do you mean? Not dangerous? Just because he's got a song called "I Love My Parents"? 

No seriously, I personally have a feeling BH could go off the rails any minute. For real. I don't know if Tom Zutaut's stories are to be trusted, but they are pretty disturbing. Dog poo, hardcore porn, that chicken coop no one was allowed to enter.

He didn't fit, not because he was boring, but because he wasn't one of the cool kids. Axl and Slash were always the good looking rogues other kids aspired to be. Buckethead not so much. Ashba not so much.

Exactly.

What's dangerous about a 60 year old, out of shape singer, that dresses like a goth, wears eyeliner and is scared to talk to people or release music.

Buckethead fitted in.

On 2/7/2022 at 8:24 AM, ToonGuns said:

When Hardskool was released one of my friends said it was terrible “dad rock” that reminded him of Towers of London.

Not a bad description.

The mad thing is that it was cheesy already, but passable.

He actually made it more cringe by changing the spelling from School to Skool, and adding a school bell to the intro.  It now sounds like a 'Saved by the Bell' theme song.

Would have been an adequate album track on Chinese, and better than Scraped/Riad/Catcher. 

Instead, he tinkered with it for 23 years and made it worse and more cheesy.  But what else is he gonna work on?

5 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Then just listen to the leaks. Problem solved. 

Exactly, why is it a problem.

And I agree.  HardSkool was better 23 years ago that it is today.

Silkworms was about the same....

5 hours ago, Free Bird said:

I don’t expect anything and I don’t care if you're wrong or not. I haven't heard a single leak. Everything what gets released will be new to me.

Fortunately people like you aren't here to stay. Sooner or later you're gone, like every troll before you.

 

 

Been in the GNR online community since 99, when Rose called out Xozi live on stage.

Listen to the leaks.  

It will allow you to hear a load of unfinished ideas that you'll never hear otherwise, and it will also stop you being disappointed with Atlas Shrugged.

12 hours ago, Free Bird said:

Just to get some attention. Poor individual 

To get attention?

So you think I'm wrong?

You think the songs won't be simply Atlas and Perhaps?  You're actually expecting stuff like Elvis, Zodiac, Seven etc?

25 minutes ago, Dean said:

We live in hope my friend.

I know you have the banner.

7 hours ago, themadcaplaughs said:

So, for a point of clarification, you believe said former wrestler was incorrect when he said a new album was ready to go in 2010/2011? He made it very clear that, had the record label said yes at the time, a completed album could have been turned over the next day. He even said the plans were to make it self-title (either Guns N' Roses of GN'R). Based on your previous post, you believe that was not the case? 

Yes, for pure clarification, I believe the circulated album track-list containing Tonto, Monstrosity and Zodiac was not ready to go.

I believe those songs would have been swapped out for Oh My God and other 'remixes' of pre-existing Guns songs.

16 hours ago, themadcaplaughs said:

The "sexual" aspect was tongue in cheek, but you have spent a notable amount of time trying to get information on the individuals on those different forums via private messages from members of this forum (myself included). Furthermore, when you began all this nonsense, you made a huge deal out of saying you believed the majority, if not all, of what those people said. I think you said those "other forum" people should even be considered "insiders" (God I hate that word now) or, at least. people whose word could be taken as pulling some weight about the inner workings of GN'R during that era. 

So, to repeat the question you did not answer last time (I did not ask you how many songs the "former wrestler" has), what do you make of the statements he made that a full album was "in the can" as early as fall 2010, and that at least a few songs beyond that album were ready to go? Are you saying he was lying, that he was misinformed, or that (like most other scenarios with you) you just chose to ignore what didn't fit your thoughts? Again, if you could answer the question without deflecting, that would be appreciated. 

On an even more serious note, I do not necessarily even disagree with your thoughts on the number of finished songs available and think you hold a valid viewpoint, even if I do not agree with it entirely (I tend to think there are more than four songs in the can, but agree that what's truly ready to release or to be prepared for release is WAY less than any comments from Axl or the band). I think what bugs me about the situation (beyond hijacking every thread) is that you seem unable to acknowledge any shades of gray that may exist, and then treat other people like imbeciles for enjoying what the band has put out or having a sincere belief that more songs may exist. 

I am one of the "fools" you keep referencing because, believe it or not, I genuinely enjoyed both songs and thought it would be neat to have some more GN'R music on physical formats. 

Fair post.

I tend not to use the term 'insiders'.  Obviously a real insider would be a source close to the band.  The forum definition 'insider' I'd say relates to a certain type of poster (basically someone who posts vague clues/info without a source and 99% turns out to be bullshit.

I've always been clear - there is another type of poster.  Absolute ass-lickers who spend all day posting support of Rose on Twitter/Insta, who send messages of love to the Lebeis/Santos family, who run and tell tales to them whenever someone posts anything mean, who (genuinely) turn up to shows with presents for Fernando's sister etc.  There are 2-3 of these who have direct access to Beta (and the family) and converse regularly.  They aren't 'insiders', they are just super-fans who are occasionally given nuggets of info (not that there is ever anything exciting worth knowing - however one was informed when Rose called Hudson).

I believe there was a plan to release a 2010 album - and the album consisted of completed songs (Atlas/Perhaps/General/ Going Down), new versions of existing songs (TIL), and songs he wanted to complete (Tonto/Soulmonster/Zodiac).

Shades of grey exist.

I don't believe Tonto/Soulmonster/Zodiac etc were finished.  You and others may do.

Slash has helpfully told us what's happening - songs Axl had done vocals on will be released.

So let's see.

6 hours ago, Manfisman said:

And have Pele be track 99. A man can dream.

 

Wont happen though, next releases will be Atlas, Perhaps and maybe The General. Trust me bro.

This man knows 

On 2/12/2022 at 10:12 PM, Sweersa said:

 

Zodiac, Soul Monster, and Seven are songs that will not be discarded. We will hear official versions one day, whether they are singles, or on an album. I believe Zodiac has a new name now.

Incomplete and likely will never be finished.

With all of these unreleased songs you claim to know exist, and all of these 'treasures' you imply you've heard - you must be thinking the next releases won't be simply Atlas/Perhaps?

2 hours ago, Its Tino said:

I would honestly be shocked if QS, or whatever it may be called but now, doesn’t get an eventual release. 

I'd be more shocked if he'd written lyrics and recorded actual vocals for it.

Have you completely taken leave of your senses?