Pele

2 hours ago, Voodoochild said:

I just didn't get from where did you come to that conclusion regarding the Brazilian press. As far as I know, all those articles posted here about Brazilian tour and/or Rock in Rio were actually pretty much accurate. Surely I don't follow anything else as I'm not that much into entertainment business. 

But I looked out for more info and talked to the journalist who wrote the piece (I won't provide any screenshot or personal info about him). He asked if there would be a new GNR album before Rock in Rio. It turns out that the actual quote in English is this:

"there will probably a new song or something out before then, but I don't think there will be a new record"

EXACTLY as predicted.

9 hours ago, DTV88 said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if Duff and Slash haven’t already completed their work on the remaining CD leftovers. But why would they release anything else until they’re touring again in the summer? My guess is at least two more singles and then an album comes out in the fall. 

It was 4-5 songs.  They did it over a couple of days.  It's all done.

They will drip feed them to try and get a higher advance on the next tour.

Anyone expecting ANYTHING other than Atlas/Perhaps/General is absolutely dreaming.  And I don't even think they did General.

9 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

That an album isn't ready to be dropped now had been inferred from other interviews Slash has done. Nothing new there. 

Of course there isn't an album ready to be dropped.

So why have you spent the last two years arguing and telling me I'm wrong?

On 2/4/2022 at 8:45 PM, SoulMonster said:

That's no feat for Pele. Tommy lies, just like the others including Axl.

This guy again....

Imagine still believing that songs like Seven, Me and My Elvis, Zodiac, Soulmoster, Leave Me Alone, Tonto, Cuban Skies etc etc are actually real songs with lyrics and vocals 

11 hours ago, Voodoochild said:

ANYWAYS

 

Thought I wouldn't make a new thread about this for obvious reasons. But Slash gave an interview for the Brazilian newspaper 'O Globo' about his new SMKC album and talked again about releasing singles (I mean, individual tracks) with Guns N' Roses:

"Probably we will release some new GNR songs this year, but I don't think we will release any new album until the [Rock In Rio] event"

Source (in Portuguese): https://oglobo.globo.com/cultura/musica/slash-ficamos-fora-dos-palcos-por-muito-tempo-o-publico-esta-doido-para-sair-de-casa-25384356?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=O Globo

 

* The writer may have edited it out, but I bet he also said "all things considered". 

Exactly as predicted.

"Some songs" will equate to Atlas and Perhaps.

Talks of a new album will just quietly go away.

On 2/4/2022 at 8:34 PM, themadcaplaughs said:

I love how @Pele has not had the "courage" (to use his terminology) to directly address that Tommy Stinson - one of the three members of the band present through the entirety of the Chinese Democracy saga said Axl recorded vocals "every year". Maybe it was just too much for him to compute so he ignored it. Maybe he's trying to perform the mental gymnastics that will allow him to directly contradict the direct words of one of the longest serving members of Guns N' Roses: stay tuned! 

I did.

He lied.

Or more likely, Rose lied and told him he was busy recording vocals.

Either way - Slash has told us they are releasing the songs Axl had.  

So we're gonna see if I'm right or not.

Looking forward to this!

ITW is absolute garbage, and deserves it's place on this list.

Who remembers 1999-2002, when we were hearings stories of all these mythical songs that sounded like Led Zeppelin meets Queen with a bit of Nine Inch Nails etc....

Turns out, it was a collection of about 19 songs - that contained absolute turds such as If the World, Oh My God, Shacklers Revenge, Riad, Scraped, Silkworms, Catcher in the Rye, Atlas Shrugged, and absolute mediocrity such as IRS, Prostitute and Chinese Democracy, Perhaps, HardSkool etc.

The biggest waste of time, musicians and studios ever.

On 2/4/2022 at 3:22 PM, oneway23 said:

It's interesting...He says they did 35 songs, but, he also says, "out of the ones Axl ended up singing on" which, I guess makes sense for the years he was there, as everything pretty much aligns with the state the songs were in as of the Village leaks.

Also noteworthy, IMO: Not that his opinion is the be all end all, but, he did point out that all of his favorites ended up on the album.

Yeah - he pretty much confirms the ones that had vocals where the ones that ended up on the record.

He also left because of Rose's inability to turn up to the studio to record vocals.

They decided to get someone more senior to push Rose to record more vocals.

He say Roy Thomas Barker was unable to push him to sing more too.

2 hours ago, Sweersa said:

Years ago an insider here who posted lyrics allegedly or assumingly from Soul Monster (stars don't look the same - still have my soul to blame, or whatever) said Axl rejected many if not all post-Bucket lineup new songs and the band played them live or during rehearsals as a light form of protest.  

By 'rejecting' them, he means didn't finish them.

13 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

 

I guess I don't understand how you both don't see what a slippery slope this is. 

To me, the message Neil Young is spending is loud and clear: if I disagree with you, you shouldn't be allowed to have a platform. 

Once more for clarification; I am not a fan of Joe Rogan. 

Agree.  Especially if Spotify end up cancelling Rogan.

It's a tricky one, because the artists also have the right to exercise their free speech and remove themselves from a platform that supports Rogan.

You can see where this is going though.

Artists removing themselves until Dixie Chicks (or other Republican artists are removed) etc etc.

Basically if Rogan gets cancelled - it will just get political like everything else, with the left getting the right removed.

Again, it's great news.

“One of the things Axl wanted to get off his chest was a bunch of material he’d recorded,” Slash says. “So we thought, ‘Well, that’s a good way to wet our feet.’” The coming material might arrive in a piecemeal fashion, before being assembled into an album. Work on an entirely new record hasn’t begun in earnest.

And there is no official strategy yet about releasing music. “There are no cut-and-dried answers,” Slash says.

We are all about to find out what this 'bunch of material is (or more importantly, isn't)

3 hours ago, Dean said:

@donny mother fucker, get back on here.

I know you have the banner.

My offer still stands.

4 minutes ago, Stay.Of.Execution said:

It's so funny that guy thinks everyone's lives revolves around some bunch of songs. It's so sad really

Yours does.

A lot of us realize those songs are a complete fantasy.

5 minutes ago, Coma16 said:

Depends on what Karen-level you are I guess. You seem to really be affected by this member (and Pele). Borderline unhealthy at this point. 

Ignore him,  He's just desperate for his prince to release an album containing Seven, Zodiac, Elvis Presley and the Monster of Soul, Ides of March, Cuban Skies, Tonto, Thyme and all the other songs he never actually got round to completing.

When he releases Atlas, he'll pretend he's happy with that.

4 hours ago, 2020_Intensions said:

Well I have to disagree with you on your opinion of the ChiDems tracks because I don't find any of them mediocre especially not terrible .. ChiDem is my favorite album of all time and I think it's a masterpiece through and through .. Just my opinion though

Yeah, I'd respectfully disagree.

I'm talking about his overall collection of songs.

His previous stand out work obviously set a high bar - and I'd consider Chinese Democracy, Shacklers Revenge, Prostitute, HardSkool, Perhaps and IRS pretty average in comparison to the high points.

I 'd consider Atlas, Catcher, If The World, Scraped, Riad and Silkworms poor by anyone's standard.

Considering that's the vast majority of what he's completed in the last 30 years, it's a pretty bad return for someone so well regarded among us, and it makes it strange he thought State of Grace was surplus to requirements.

Obviously we'll all have our favorites, and opinions, and people's picks will vary, but I can never get on board with someone thinking an album that contains Catcher, Scraped, Riad and If The World to be 'a masterpiece through and through'.

21 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Hopefully, and likely, it was one of the songs intended for the next record and one of the songs Slash has now worked on. 

Hopefully, yes.

Likely - not a chance.

1 hour ago, 2020_Intensions said:

Well I still stand by the hope that he didnt give up on that track or the rest of them and there actually is a ChiDem sequel waiting to see the light ... I'm still a believer in the planned trilogy and I do believe that the ChiDem we got ended up not being a part 1 but an amalgamation of what was supposed to be a trilogy for reasons obviously unknown to us 

I hope you're right.

I think in 98, with a healthy, hungry, creative, productive band - with a bunch of new songs completed and instrumentals being developed every day, a trilogy was the plan, with the follow ups being a bit more experimental.

I just don't think he had it in him.

It's clear now he was miles away.  He had under 20 songs, and outside of the occasional piece of brilliance, the majority were mediocre to downright terrible.

33 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Why would you think he gave up on it? I think the more likely scenario is he had a rough idea of what he wanted to do but hadn't finished the lyrics and then when he asked for the tracks to show prospective producers this was just where that song stood at that time. Could very easily have been finished, could also have decided to shelve it if he wasn't into anymore. I keep saying it, but it would be a great pity if that song never sees an official release, I always think of it as The Garden part II...musically not lyrically

Honestly don't know.

I think it's a good song - and knowing what we know, the bulk of usable songs he actually had at his disposal ranged from average to poor so it's a real mystery why they didn't develop this one for the album, and why it never appeared on the alleged tracklist for the following album.

I believe (without any evidence) it to be one of the following:

• It was written entirely by someone who left (Paul maybe?)
• It was reworked into The General (some believe this - I don't really hear it)

Maybe he just didn't like it - but for someone whose small batch of songs includes Silkworms, Catcher, Scraped, Riad, Atlas Shrugged, If the World, Shacklers Revenge, OMG etc, he really needed all he could get his hands on!

2 hours ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

Well, I don't contest the idea that it could be unfinished. The fact that he said "will inevitably become Soul Monster" hinted there might still be some work to do on it. I just think there's good evidence that at least parts of the song are finished.

Pathetic isn't it?

A song from nearly 25 years ago, that seemingly went from being called 'Me and My Elvis', to 'Elvis Presley and the Monster of Soul', to 'Leave Me Alone' (according to Sweersa), to 'Soul Monster' likely remains unfinished.

6 hours ago, CubanSkies Dummy said:

Is "State Of Grace" a Tobias song?

I remember reading on (The War Room?) in mid 2019 (just before the leaks) that one user has seen a band playing "Going Down" back in 1998. Maybe it's just a old Tommy song?

I believe it might be.

I think it was written solely by an ex-member and therefore abandoned when that member left - but it's only a guess.  Don't include it as factual on one of your lists.

2 hours ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

Axl said he was unleashing a Christmas card of venom with the bridge in Soul Monster and felt a lot better afterwards. That would be a bit silly to say about scat vocals with no lyrics.

And yet here we are.

1 hour ago, 2020_Intensions said:

What I find strange is how it came about - It's (supposedly) for the remix album and it's clearly musically a remix of Prostitute so why not use a vocal line from that song? Not to start a discussion about this mysterious remix with one vocal line I just remembered it existed today lol

Yeah, let's hope that mystery gets solved one day.

State of Grace is such a mystery too.  Why did he seemingly give up on this?

1 hour ago, 2020_Intensions said:

Has @Peleever addressed "Blood in the Water" ? 

I have addressed it.

I don't know what it is.

I speculated it is likely to be taken from a line of 'The General' or a line from an unfinished song.

1 hour ago, 2020_Intensions said:

But doesn't he believe Axl lied about recording any vocals for that song?

I believe he may have done some scratch vocal melody - maybe more.

I 100% don't believe it's a full, usable, releasable song/vocal take.

28 minutes ago, Jw224 said:

I'm not involved in whatever imaginary argument/competition you've got going on here. Genuinely don't give a crap what you may or may not think. 

Whatever .  Keep waiting for Seven then.

9 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

2008 Axl Rose says otherwise.

Q : What does the future hold for 'OMG'? A: There's a remix w/lots of new vocals and a wilder guitar intro but it's not taken all that seriously.

I believe it is called OMG2

That was probably the intent.  He won't have actually done it.

9 minutes ago, batatadoce said:

You sure need a lot of courage to anonymously post random crap on a obscure internet forum about guns n roses. And here I thought you couldn't get more ridiculous and repetitive.

Never heard of you.

But are you brave enough to guess a tracklist?