Pele

3 hours ago, themadcaplaughs said:

Honest question @Pele since I block out your shit for the most part. 

How have you responded to the fact that the people on another GN'R forum we're not allowed to talk about, and whose members seem to excite you on a borderline sexual level, claim that, as far back as 2010, the band had a full record in the can ready to release consisting of Chinese Democracy era songs and, per the man who used to run said forum, even had completed songs from the sessions that were meant to be the "follow-up" to the CD era (the man in questions said many songs were based on riffs Fortus brought to the band). 

Most of them I don't believe.

If you're talking about the wrestler - he doesn't have completed songs that we haven't heard.

And I've no clue on which members excite me so much?

18 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

If I remember correctly, he obtained most of his material through a source in person. He was a casual fan, and mentioned he thought GN'R was alight, he didn't have much faith or knowledge in the current lineup at the time and his source gave him a bunch of CD era material in response to listen to. He said he would be surprised if something leaked that he didn't already have that was pre 2004 or so.

Sounds legit LOL

And this 'casual fan' who isn't even bothered never revealed a single second of these songs?

Sounds like every other insider story.

19 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

I'm sure your mind would be blown if 25% of the CD era vault was revealed to you.

Lol at still believing in 'The Vault'.

Slash has said exactly what they are gonna do - and that's release the songs Axl had done.

What are you gonna say when they release Atlas/Perhaps and never mention Zodiac, Elvis, Seven etc etc

16 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

Good question. Someone told him those 12 songs he had were probably bad, and in response to that, he said Axl wasn't going to put out This I Love but the band protested. I believe he also said Seven was called Seven because that's the number of band members on that song. 

LOL

32 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

How does it back up what you're saying? There's two more coming soon, he didn't say "there's a song called Atlas and one called perhaps that we're releasing soon. Even IF they are released next it means nothing though, because Slash has also said there is more material. He used the word Bunch in a previous interview, a bunch is at least 4, plus HS and Absurd that makes 6 songs which is at minimum 2 short to be a full album. If Slash does an interview and says "we're just going to release an EP" then I will say you're in the ballpark of being backed up.

 

No... he said there's 2 songs they are releasing soon, and they are part of a larger collection of songs that they are working on. It's pretty clear in what he said. He didn't say there was definitely an album this year, but there is an album of material that they are working on for some point in the future. ALSO, Slash is famously coy with the press. He denied the reunion right up until the day it was announced, saying he had no idea where the rumours came from and his focus was SMKC, what makes you think he's going to give the full behind the scenes of a new GNR album now?

Are you seriously gonna die on this cliff?

Are you genuinely saying you actually believe they aren't gonna do EXACTLY what I've been saying for years and release Atlas/Perhaps/maybe General and actually release a batch of unheard material?

Of course you don't.............

4 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

Why would he not just say "we've got some songs, and we're releasing one soon". Instead of that, he actually specified further that a 2nd one will be coming after the first one he mentioned. That's so weird and unusual to specify like that. I think they got 2 more songs ready to go and are work in progress on more.

Oh they definitely have 2 ready to go.  Maybe a third.

They are probably hoping Rose will do more, but starting to realize he won't.

His answer absolutely suggests what I've been saying for years

It's funny the way his answers are going.  

From 'there will be a new album'............... to 'there will be an album of old Axl songs'.................. to 'there will be two songs coming out'.

I can't wait until they drop the names of these two songs he's talking about 

9 hours ago, DTJ80 said:

I’m pretty sure that one is a non-starter after the CD fiasco where he told Axl there was basically no good tracks in what he had produced so far…which as we know via the Village sessions as utter shite.

No, he said he had 2-3 good songs.  Which was correct.

3 minutes ago, DoMw94 said:

He mentions two being released "at some point soon" but also says "some songs". Some usually means more than two...

I take that to mean there's two in the can ready to go, and more they'll be retooling in a similar fashion to Absurd and Hard Skool at some point down the line.

I don't for a second think there's only two, full stop, and I think that quote alludes to that as well.

You're gonna be bitterly disappointed then.

13 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

If the theory is true that the plan was always to only release four songs, then why not just release all four at once? Why only two at a time?

Not saying the theory is incorrect. I’m just genuinely curious, is all.

So they can sell another CD to idiots who handed over their hard earned money for 20 year old throwaways 'to support the band'.

To use as promotional material for the next leg of the tour because he won't give interviews or go on chat shows or do any other kind of promotion.

5 hours ago, Sweersa said:

I believe so. One of the old school hoarders had most, if not everything from the Roy Thomas Baker years.

Yeah they did.

Guess what - the only ones with vocals were the same batch of songs we've all heard.

What a surprise.

6 hours ago, Lies They Tell said:

I beg to differ. 😂

Oh - so you're expecting Me & My Elvis, Zodiac, SoulMonster, Leave Me Alone (or other unheard stuff) etc to come out in these batch of songs Slash has been speaking out?

Or do you think it's gonna be Atlas and Perhaps?

20 minutes ago, DTJ80 said:

Good interview. And the comments about more tracks coming soon (and being a bit more complex) is awesome. Let the guessing of what Village songs could be deemed as ‘more complex’ commence….

Atlas Shrugged.

Please....

There is nothing to produce.

There were a few existing songs that they've managed to paste Slash/Duff over existing pasted, patched together pieces of crap.

Two have been released, there are 2-3 more already done which will follow when they want more money for another tour.  They are used as a counter offer for promotion/interviews/media appearances.

Stop kidding yourselves that a new album will come out.

There may be some sort of thing fusing 'new' (Silkworms, HardSkool, Perhaps, Atlas) with live songs, and reworked Chinese Songs with Axl's original vocal - but that's it.

On 2/8/2022 at 11:51 PM, Sweersa said:

I worry about this song, and Zodiac. I can't imagine anyone doing those songs better than Robin.

Don't worry.

Both songs remain exactly as you last heard them.

54 minutes ago, Manfisman said:

What does he have for breakfast?

Does he sing in the shower, or last time was 99?

 

You realize how stupid you sound? There's no way you can state such things as facts.

Of course I can state that as fact.

I just did.

Rose wrote lyrics and recorded vocals after 1999.

That is fact.

51 minutes ago, Jw224 said:

That may be the case but he definitely implied he had heard unreleased material, seems he likes to vaguely suggest stuff like that for a laugh and then pretend he hasn't when it's brought up. 

He definitely implied he heard Zodiac, and said it was 'angry'.

44 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

I've seen him mention Zodiac for example, but I don't think I've ever seen him say that he's heard it. I could be wrong on that though. But, his source for Zodiac having vocals was 100% more reliable than Pele (or any other random user) claiming the song doesn't have vocals. Not that I think we're gonna hear those vocals, so it doesn't really matter anyway...

If his 'source' is saying he has Zodiac with vocals, then he certainly isn't 'reliable'.

The only thing correct about your post is your prediction of not hearing those vocals.

12 minutes ago, Jw224 said:

That user has previously implied that they have heard things and know things, only to go back on it when people bring it up, so best not to take it too seriously. 

Exactly this.

He's implied he has heard unreleased material - including Zodiac with vocals.

I can categorically tell you I believe he hasn't heard that song with vocals.

17 minutes ago, GoForJMark said:

Careful there, you don't wanna summon Mr. Vocals-99

It's a well constructed post and not an unreasonable belief, just as he acknowledges I might be right.

1 hour ago, Its Tino said:

So does Pele believe Axl hasn’t written any lyrics since 99? Or that he hasn’t recorded vocals since 99 or both?

Neither.

He has written lyrics and recorded vocals after 1999.

5 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Axl just released songs with vocals and Slash has confirmed more is coming, so what you are saying makes no sense. 

He did, and I've told you exactly what I think is coming.

Atlas, Perhaps then maybe General.

Do you think that's wrong?

12 minutes ago, Pele said:

Imagine white knighting Axl Rose because someone is saying he didn't record songs - whilst Rose refuses to let you hear his vocals 

How Scraped fits what theory?

I've addressed Scraped before.

Late 90s.  They had a strong line-up.  Rose was excited and optimistic, but nervous.  They has The Blues and Madagascar and some other stuff, and instrumentals/ideas were coming from the band.

Things started taking too long.  Josh and Robin realized nothing much was happening and left.  Sean Beaven left as Axl wasn't turning up to vocal sessions anymore.

By 00, Robin was back, Brain was in, and they had the bones of an album.  But it was average.  It contained decent enough filler like HardSkool, Perhaps, IRS, Chinese and utter garbage like Silkworms, Riad, Catcher, Atlas.

The Elephant in the Room was this wasn't going to be the great comeback everyone had hoped, and Buckethead, Robin, Brain were probably frustrated that their instrumentals were't being completed.

Rose played the work to Bob Erzin and was told he only has 2-3 good songs.

Buckethead left, the 2002 tour fell apart and Rose gave up.

Later, he got additional musicians, got in shape, did some work 05-06, finished Better, Sorry, Shacklers and Scraped and released the record in 08.

The idea this guy has backup albums up his sleeve are crazy!  He's worked on the same batch of songs for 30 years, and it includes Silkworms, Scraped, OMG, Atlas, Riad, Cather!!!!!

4 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

You are finally catching up. I am almost impressed. 

Imagine white knighting Axl Rose because someone is saying he didn't record songs - whilst Rose refuses to let you hear his vocals 

1 minute ago, jamillos said:

Nice argumentation, as usual. Again, explain how Scraped fits your theories:

 

Oh wait, you can't. No comments made, and one wonders why.

Here's a little hint: because it contradicts them completely. I'm done with your BS.

How Scraped fits what theory?

5 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

As do 90% or more of us here.

Yeah, crazy isn't it!  Believing in fairytales when the reality has been presented to you.

I'll say it again.

I've been saying for years he has nothing left (completed and usable vocal) except Perhaps, Atlas and The General.

You've been saying I'm wrong.

Slash has very helpfully stated they are going to release the songs Axl had  left over.

They are going to be Perhaps, Atlas and maybe The General - AND ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE.

Bookmark it.  Print it out and hang it above your monitor.

2 hours ago, themadcaplaughs said:

Ok, cool. Just wanted to verify that you weren't going to have a serious conversation about this. Looks like that is the case. I tried indulging you for a while, but enough is enough. 

I am serious.

It's my belief that Rose told bandmates he would continue to develop their instrumentals and record vocals.

12 hours ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

Yes there's no reason to argue his theories. The entire existence of Scraped invalidates Peles points. If it wouldn't have been included on CD it would be on none of his lists as a potential song with vocals. When I pointed this out to him, the response was "We'll see". No shit we'll see, because we don't know what else never came out until we see. It's just one more point that invalidates his whole narrative but no matter how good of a counterpoint you make it won't be accepted lol.

Absolute LOL that you think that him having very little material left is a 'theory' at this point.

Lets wait and see what the next songs are.

13 hours ago, jamillos said:

This is called jumping the shark. You can have whatever theories you want and repeat the same song titles and the same assertions ad nauseam in each post, but saying that the artist himself "lied" in such a nonsensical, unimportant detail when something doesn’t fit your agenda is just beyond ridiculous. You’ve basically played yourself. This is an equivalent of covering your ears and going la la la. No point in communicating with you at all. 
Yeah, Axl lied to his bandmates about this, because that totally makes sense. Identical with what Cuban Dummy said about the lyrics of Shackler’s Revenge. He’d definitely lie about something like that. And there’s no possibility that since Tommy and the guys were literally people in the know, they could just, well, know. Maybe because they were sometimes present in the studio or in contact with Axl. I wish they'd read these posts here. Forget it. It doesn’t agree with your claims, so he just plain lied. You’re the one who’s right here. And if the next song they release is Atlas or whatever, it will totally corroborate every single assertion you (and Dummy) have made. Congrats. Axl lies about his songs to everyone, always has! 

Ok, he told the truth.  He's recorded loads of vocals for all different songs.

Slash says the songs Axl had are what's coming next.

I guess you think we're gonna hear new stuff?

17 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

And Pele reverts to again lie about me believing in specific songs being finished. Except for Soul Monster, I have never said that I specifically believe any of these to have vocals today. So maybe find some other default response next time? 

Right ok,  You think songs exist.  You don't know what they are.  You don't know if they'll be released.  Even if they release Atlas/Perhaps as "the songs Axl had", you'll still believe the other songs existed.

Right.

On 2/6/2022 at 9:02 AM, Gaanzer said:

So we may assume that the man sung very little over the past 2 decades, which would mean that a bunch of "leftovers" are most likely the last feat of Gn'R. 

You can take that to the bank.