IrishgunnerII

4 hours ago, Stay.Of.Execution said:

What a bitch to sell such personal and intimate thoughts

Bitch ? That’s a bit harsh. It’s her stuff to sell.

16 minutes ago, kingcanyon said:

could this mean anything or no

What do you mean ? I think it means something but what it means I don’t know. You can say lots about Axl but stuff he writes down he does with intent and a reason.

7 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

That was the part that really stuck out, didn't Axl say during the Famous Last Words interview with Kurt Loder that the band found themselves referencing AFD, trying to write WTTJ2 and that's why they covered Live And Let Die? At first glance, it seems like these are from '89-90.

 

Honestly I find it creepy that this kind of stuff is sold at auctions. I think Erin Everly auctioned off a bunch of letters and notebooks and stuff a few years ago... was this part of what she sold?

You’d have to assume that is part of what she sold because I don’t think this is stuff that Axl would sell. I can understand why you’d find it weird that this stuff is sold, but it’s stuff that Erin had for over thirty years and she wanted to sell. 
 

I’ve just reread the page and the part where it says his friends are tired of him and don’t understand him is like he could see the future.

yeah it would be 1989 as it mentions 27 years and Axl was born in 1962. 

That  page of lyrics is fascinating. I love that appetite for destruction is mentioned. 
 

Do we know when these were written because some of the lines sound like stuff he would have talked about when he went through that counsellor stuff that he talked about in rolling stone magazine which he mentions on stage in Chicago in 1992 and how his family were less than impressed.

No they aren’t. I’m a big zeppelin fan and yes I realise that modern bands take influence and style themselves after the bands they grew up on, but most do it in a subtle way, but to me GVF are a bit on the nose with it which is a bit off putting.

Happy birthday to Izzy. Guns n roses is trending on twitter and for some stupid reason I momentarily thought there was news of an album, and then realised its nearly 5pm in the day and I’m blood sober and I need to cop on.

FFS. Bob Dylan got annoyed that the lead guitarist of GNR  did a GNR style solo on a song from 1990 ? That’s the music equivalent of when you visit the leaning tower of Pisa and being disappointed that it’s actually a fucking tower that leans in Pisa.  

1 hour ago, Zeppelin said:

I'm hoping we don't have a massive amount of My World fans here.

If my world isn’t voted off in the first round of the UYI II poll then it’s proof we GNR will except any old shite that the band record. Now, fair enough some of the order of songs eliminated was a bit off and not how I would have done it, but my world is a banker to be voted off first. 

14 hours ago, SoundOfAGun said:

He generally puts it off for a decade or two, some say when he writes his lyrics he uses the enchanted femur bone of a leprechaun as his scribe, dipping it into an ink well of mermaid tears before writing out his verse on the tempered hide of Dragon's skin as his parchment.

This is about Axl isn’t it ? Sounds like the queens speech for the state opening of parliament in the UK with the parchment and all that stuff that goes into it for a woman in her nineties to read a speech.

After the last two years nothing would surprise me. I’m not exactly brimming with excitement about the tickets I have for the concert in Marley park. Just can’t get excited about it. I mean how many shows in Europe would need to happen for the tour to be worth their while ? Let’s say they cancel some shows further east(and as someone who has been to the Czech Republic many times I don’t think it’s Eastern Europe) then would the Western Europe shows make it viable ?

57 minutes ago, El Guapo said:

Least favorite from these? Coma.

😒 how is coma your least favourite ?

None of them need to be reissued. They are fine as they are and don’t need to be changed. Can GNR at the very least be something that doesn’t try to remake or reboot things ? It imo shows how lacking in original ideas Hollywood are when their go to idea is to remake or reboot shows and movies that are perfectly fucking fine as is. 

16 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

I felt similar for a long time but changed my mind. Well I never hated the studio version but thought it lacks a certain energy. 

I still think DTJ is one of the greatest live songs by GNR but I love the studio version as well.

Well DTJ unlike most all the GNR catalogue is one that Axl will always be able to sing.

29 minutes ago, El Guapo said:

That crackling sound is a really strange idea but I'm so used to it that I think I'd miss it if they remove it from a potential remaster XD

It was but for lack of a better reason to vote for one of the remaining songs I went with a part of a song that is annoying.  I know this is UYI 1 and UYI 2 but at the business end of the UYI 2 vote there could be figurative bloodshed because there are some very heavy hitters on that album.  Anyway dead horse this go around.

And maybe this is the plan already but if not could an ultimate poll of all the winning songs from each album be voted in a final poll ? Kind of like the early survivor series events where they’d have a final match with all the surviving wrestlers in it.

Changed it up. Went for dead horse because I hate that loud crackling sound at the start.

The lesser don’t cry again. 

So now LALD is winning the poll to be eliminated ? I voted for it in previous rounds but not this one. I voted for don’t cry(original) because it’s not even the best version of the song. 

Live and let die. Really good version but it’s a cover and that’s going to be a “if I’ve no other reason” choice. 

3 hours ago, dragan1978 said:

Yes I would, in a heartbeat!

its a good fucking song, music is great and his voice is amazing, mean, bitter and exploding in the end!

I was 13 when I first heard it and was blown away by the power of Axl's voice!

even thought my English wasn't good, I heard most of these troubled "words" and never thought of them as people think now. Always thought it must have been something that he has gone through

so yeah, I would definitely play it for others and it is the best song on LIES, for me!

 

I’m not sure anyone either on the lies survivor thread or this one have disputed the musical quality of the song. It’s the lyrics that are problematic.

1 hour ago, alfierose said:

Depends on the context or the people. If I was with people who weren't fans but were interested in GNR discography/deep cuts I might play the whole album with an explanation that one song has since been withdrawn on later editions and why. If someone said "no, skip that song" then I'd skip it.

I wouldn't just play the song in isolation, as in "listen to this one song that features offensive language". 

I don't really play music to other people though so it's a slightly moot point for me.

Isn’t context on some endangered species list ? I think it is otherwise we wouldn’t have every think any of us in our thirties or older watched on TV being viewed through a modern lens and reconned to imply there is something offensive  over the lion king which is a fictional story about lions, that Aladdin is insensitive because the actors speak with American accents despite the fact it’s about a fucking blue genie and a scorerer, and flying carpet, and while they’re at it, maybe they can call the little mermaid oppressive to mermaids despite the fact mermaids are fictional. Exhales. 

23 minutes ago, jamillos said:

Ha, I knew it would ignite these kinds of discussions the moment I realized OIAM is on Lies and Lies is next in line in the game! Didn’t expect a new thread, but good call. 
The answer is quite simple: Apart from personal qualities (obviously) and their GNR fandom status, it heavily depends basically on a single factor: that person’s age. What generation they’re from. That’s the key, I’m afraid. Generalizing here, of course, but that’s the gist. No need for further explanation, I think. 
 

Well I didn’t want to derail the other thread which is great with a side discussion on OIAM.

This thread idea stems from the conversations about the song one in a million in the GNR 
Lies survivor threads. The ideas of these threads for appetite and now lies was great btw. 
 

Anyway more than one poster made the statement that while they don’t condone the lyrics used, they being GNR fans can to some degree understand the reasons why Axl used those words or what he meant by them. That’s all well and good and I posted that quote from the movie men in black and a person being rational, and people being less so. 

Anyway, would you as a GNR fan play this song for a group of people who weren’t GNR fans, or just a group of people in general. I personally wouldn’t(along with a few other GNR songs) because while I may  be okay listening to it, that doesn’t mean that others would. I mean they’ve put stupid warnings in front of Disney classic movies because in the 21st century they see something that was never meant that way. 

7 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

Complaining 

Can't you hear her?

Haha nice edit. I tip my virtual hat. 

12 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

I love One in a Million, not because I approve of Axl saying what he said but because my understanding since the very first listen is that it's not malicious, it's a raw, warts and all cautionary tale about someone beginning to - but struggling - to confront and let go of their misguided bullshit that they were raised on.

And to quote Tommy lee Jones from men in black 

“A *person* is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it. 

29 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

Used To Love Her

What did she do ?