IrishgunnerII

With the benefit of hindsight no it shouldn’t have been one album. We are lucky we got what we did.

Do you think Axl was being overly critical of the ritz 1988 performance on the Eddie trunk interview ? It doesn’t sound polished but imo it shouldn’t have been perfect because that wasn’t the way the band played.

The first “parody” i saw of GNR was the animated one where Axl is working at a fast food place with I think buckethead and just saying “can I take your order ?” In an Axl vocal impression. The name was a take on McDonalds and was possibly the same name as the one in coming to America. Have I just made that up in my mind or does anyone else remember this ?

12 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Yeah, all nuances of his voice were lost in guttural screeching.

It’s not nice to listen to so god only knows what it was doing to his voice.

On 12/18/2021 at 1:02 AM, Tom-Ass said:

I agree, for those few years I think he was at the top of his game..  I think the Illusions era he became a little too over the top at times which turned some people off.. He was still great bu I prefered the Appetite/LIES era..

Some of the illusion era footage sounds like he’s in pain and there is way too much rasp. 

I think he does a good job on sympathy for the devil and I really like Matt’s drumming on the same song. 

On 12/15/2021 at 1:07 AM, JustRnR said:

Maybe not the most impressive vocal performance but my favorite is a video that I can't seem to find on YouTube anymore. It is a video of  Axl and West playing The Garden at some bar.

That was a clip from the MTV special. I had a shit ton of GNR stuff on a laptop that if I’d a bit of foresight I’d have gotten a hard drive and saved it all to it. It was axl at full rasp.

I was thinking about this over the weekend and was thinking which was my favourite one I’ve heard live or on an album(with the obvious caveats between the two), but one that I kept coming back to was the outro of Coma. I played it several times just to make sure and yes there are many amazing notes he’s hit and screams in other songs which would give you goose bumps they are so amazing, but those under three minutes at the end of one my favourite GNR songs is magical both on a vocal level and also lyrically. I struggle to even repeat the lyrics at the pace he’s singing them without being out of breath.
 

Anyway what are some others that posters here like ? 

Those quotes warm my heart and make me feel happy that it isn’t all about money and there is a friendship that will hopefully last between axl and slash after they’ve stopped touring. I’m sure we’ve all been there with our best/good friends from when we were younger and you’ve drifted away due to life happening, but when you do meet up again its like you’d seen each other just yesterday. I think we can all guess who the shitehawks who slash refers to as being a major part of the issues. 

On 11/26/2021 at 11:39 PM, -W.A.R- said:

The song is actually fine musically with a really nice intro. It's Axl's immature lyrics that really drag it down to misery  

Whereas Absurd has both terrible music and immature lyrics.

Most of if not all the songs on the illusion albums are fine musically, but yes get in the ring hasn’t aged well at all.

5 hours ago, Legendador said:

There's only three options for this to be released ever:

1. Marc Canter rersolving his issues with Axl and convincing him

2. A posthumous release

3. Or a news Mister Saint Laurent / 2019 type of leak thing

You mean Axl’s issues with Marc canter.

3 minutes ago, darkside259 said:

yes i mean when you look the 90s concerts slash n duff were SOOO fucked , axl was "sober" most of the time, just imagine the presure of deal with a drunk coworkers and had panics atacks with a tour you can t handle anymore, then the press talking about you like a criminal just bc you had tattos and play rock n roll, the fucking biker gangs starting bullshit in the shows, axl was the onlyone who cares, the videoclips, the concept of the band in the 90s, playing ballads like november rain makes the band mainstream worlwide, slash n duff stuck with appetite  

Well I think that’s a bit of simplistic way to see that time period. Yes, slash and duff didn’t help things but I think they are all to blame to some degree to how the band broke up in the nineties. They are grown men, and should’ve been able to work stuff out.

@BangoSkank I think the “axl broke up GNR” is more of a non gnr fan narrative that has become an easy thing to beat axl with. I don’t think it’s one that’s widespread amongst those of us who are hardcore GNR fans. Like most things in life, nuance and context matter. 
And that’s why I as a GNR fan since the 2000s wished axl had said more because when my non GNR fan friends would say to me “sure axls nuts and he broke up the band”, I couldn’t point to axl saying stuff to dispel their points.

On 11/30/2021 at 8:20 PM, Legendador said:

Marc Canter was featured in a Instagram Live and I was able to ask him about some rarities that he had shot with the band and if maybe we could see them someday.

Luckly he answered me and he said he has the entire Cathouse '89 (It's So Easy video) concert recorded and that the concert was also in pro-shot.

He also mentioned the '88 Giant Stadium (pro-shot) and some BTS from the AFD recording sessions.

That would be cool to watch.

Sweet baby Moses. Take my money now.

8 minutes ago, BangoSkank said:

That is so not true. If you spent a minute on GNR forums from 2000 to now it was (and is) a bash fest against Axl. If you read anything in the mainstream press or the alternative music press about GNR it always had heavily critical undertones (or overtones) against Axl. 

I say this a staunch Axl defender - it was very, very lonely at times if you arguing a pro-Axl stance. 

People still checked him out because he's Axl fucking Rose and he had the name, but they were also predisposed to hate him because of a lot of misinformation out there. And as far as the general perception in the press, it was always that "he was crazy, Slash and them left, and are so much cooler with their traditional rock music that has no BS attached."

Side note: one phenomenon I noticed over the years is people who really supported Slash thought there were "Axl Nutters" everywhere online. Axl supporters say the same thing about Slash. I fall into the latter category. It's possible it's all just a matter of perception, but I really have no idea how people think the fanbase was dripping with Axl supporters. Just scroll through a few threads and you'll find some seriously mean shit said about him (mainly his weight) and people have been doing it for years. 

While I’d agree bar one message board it wasn’t very pro axl, but why did axl let the others have free reign in the press to paint him in that light  ? I’ll never understand that as perception becomes reality, and axl let that narrative set in. 

11 hours ago, Towelie said:

The more music Slash puts out, the more I think GNR fans collectively backed the wrong horse in obsessing over Axl from the late 90s to present day. It is beyond obvious to me in 2021 that Axl was luckier to have Slash than the other way round. 

You may not love everything Slash puts out, but his body of work combining the Snakepit albums, VR albums, SMKC and his 2010 offering really puts Axl to shame. 

In the six years since the reunion Axl has released just two songs, both more than 20 years old - one of which we've known for two decades, meanwhile Slash is on his second album with his real band. 

Axl really hasn't earnt his stripes to be taken seriously as an artist in his own right, unlike Slash. 

Axl Rose appears not to have a creative bone in his body and is coasting on a legacy which he was given way too much credit for over the years. His lack of productivity speaks volumes about who the true driving force was in original Guns, and I really believe that Axl was incredibly fortunate to have been in a band with Slash and Izzy. 

It really is time for the fanbase to stop looking at Axl through rose-tinted glasses. A great singer/frontman in his prime? Absolutely. But a serious artist/songwriter/musician he is not.

That’s utter bollocks to say axl hasn’t a creative bone in his body. You don’t come up with some of the amazing lyrics he’s done over the years without being a creative person. Although fair enough axls run rate isn’t anything to write home about but to say the bolded part is just incorrect. I think even axls biggest critics would say it’s lack of output that’s the issue, not the lack of creativity.

33 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

Yeah he hasn't played anything publicly yet so I don't know. London plays a bit of guitar too but he didn't want to always be compared to his father.

In fairness that’s a wise move on his part to play drums instead of guitar because it wouldn’t be fair on him because while he may be very very talented as you say he’d be always compared to his dad which isn’t a fair contest.

I’d have put money on the Australia and New Zealand concerts taking place even a couple of months ago but it just shows this virus doesn’t care what we want to do. 

On 9/21/2021 at 10:05 PM, Homefuck said:

Yeah, he does come across as someone full of himself. 

Yeah he does but let’s be honest he does pick good singers to cover GNR.

I’ll be the first to admit that I’ve not been the most positive GNR fan recently due to things about the band I think should be done better. That being said it’s baffling to see people who complain when there’s nothing happening, and then when there is stuff like new singles being released(which are like hen's fucking teeth with GNR btw) they seem to still be complaining about the songs. Now yes was absurd the best song ever released by GNR ? No it wasn’t but hard skool is certainly a better song and has an old school feel to it and it slash and duff on it and for what it’s worth I like it. And btw repeatedly saying you don’t like the song doesn’t make your opinion any more valid, it makes you repetitive. 

I know I’m a week late but as a 16 year year old in September, 2001 I’m of the generation who remembers that Tuesday afternoon(being in Ireland it was afternoon when the attacks first started), and I remember going to  my second to last class of the day at 2pm(need to remember twenty years ago smartphones weren’t a thing) and there was no teacher which was very strange and after a few minutes, a teacher passed the classroom  and said “ A plane has crashed into the world trade centre in New York City” and I only knew what they were because of the Simpson episode. I remember walking  into the city centre where I lived and seeing the pictures of the towers burning and the second plane hitting the second tower and even to this day seeing it back, it seem so surreal. 

Can Chris pitman account for his whereabouts if it was food poisoning as Axl seems to think.

Because he wasn’t a permanent member despite what he said because as we saw from his book(the original version), he’s fuller than a Christmas turkey at times.

I know this thread is about slash and Paul huge, but that incident IMO incapsulates the whole issue with GNR post UYI tour, when the lack of communication in the band got worse. I don’t know why Axl couldn’t have simply asked slash would he be okay with working with Paul. The worst slash could have said was no, but while I agree that slash had(and still has) an ego because given he was at the time one of the best guitarists in the world, it’s hardly a shock, he’d take issue with someone being forced on him.

it’s a what if, but I think Izzy leaving the band was a detriment to the band both in terms of songwriting but also in terms of him being a go between between axl and slash.