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1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

Yes, but not usually to question your strategic decisions. Like, you trust your driver to find the best route to the airport, and if you suggest a route and he tells you, "No, this way is better," than you trust that judgement because he's the expert, but you won't accept him to interfere with other parts of your business/operations. You hire management to realize your plans, not to tell you what the plans are supposed to be or to tell you how to get to the airport. You hire video creators to make you a video based on your vision, not to come up with that vision for you, or to tell you what route to take when driving to the airport. The point is, as a boss you hire people that are better at you at things that needs to be done, but the overall plans and strategy lies with you and your team. And the extent to which you empower your people/employees to make decisions within the limit of your plan/vision/idea, will vary. Sometimes you just give them the rough idea and they sketch out the details, other times you get into the details together with them.

So is the driver a yes man when he drives you to the airport? No, that's his job. He would be a yes man if he took your directions when he knew they were bad. Because it is his job to know the best way and he should speak out when a bad decision is made within his sphere of professionality. 

Is the management team a yes team if them do what Axl tells them to do? No, of course not, that's their job. But most likely they are hired to also provide advice on business decisions, and we must assume Team Brazil, like previous managers, offer Axl advice when they see fit. If hey are supposed to provide advice and they don't, especially if they feel a bad decision is made, then yes, they are yes men. Of course we have no good insight into the decision making processes in GN'R and TB's role, but based on what previous managers have said, and also some hints from TB, it suggests they are providing advice and recommendations, but ultimately it is up to Axl to then decide and they to execute. 

I think people don't understand what TB do. Its very clear on the bands website, TB manage the business affairs of Guns N Roses and one would presume Axl Rose. 

For what ever reason people seem to think TB do everything. TB have never stated publicly, that they are a record label, booking agent, concert promotor, an A & R representative, video production company, legal representatives etc.

From the outside, it' seems Axl has a lot of trust and faith in the Lebeis family and they offer him stability and loyalty within his own personal space. 

I think Vanessa plays a bigger part in Axl's day to day decision making, but flys under the radar compared to others in that family. 

That's understandable given members of the family have been involved in Axl's life for many years. 

The group that Axl has around him, seems to be working for Axl as he is clearly a very different person today, then 20 years ago, including being a much happier person in life.

It's clear Axl himself with the help of those around him has exercised some demons from his past. I would suggest if members of the Lebeis family have been involved in that, then they have done their jobs as managers... 

The creation of this website, has nothing to do with releasing any music from the past. Universal Music via the Geffen Label own the music created by Guns N Roses including the CD era material.  Universal Music poured millions in the CD era material and unless they have sold the rights to that material, you aren't going to get anyone else releasing that material apart from Universal Music themselves. 

Live Nation aren't a record label, their core business is promoting live entertainment. 

It's possible, Live Nation and Axl have formed a business relationship to promote Axl Rose himself and at some point possibly sell tickets via Ticketmaster owned by Live Nation. 

Live Nation do have a marketing division and possibly that's what is happening in relation to the creation of this website.

I am sure Axl is still personally managed by Team Brazil, as Team Brazil aren't a marketing business or in the business of selling tickets. They are a management company. 

A person holding an Umbrella over  another person is a normal occurrence around the world for many different reasons, some are religious, some culturual, out of respect, out kindness and courtesy, due to the rain, due to sun, due to a skin condition and for some to protect their privacy. 

The holder of the Umbrella could be any person, a family member, a husband, a wife, a mother/father, a grandmother/grandfather, a stranger, a worker, a person showing respect or being kind and thoughtful. 

Maybe some of you should visit an island in the Pacific and see what happens when an elder leaves the house, a younger person will grab an umbrella as a sign of respect to protect the elder from the sun and heat. Like many cultures around the world, the Pacific Island culture is rasisd to respect your elders and family members. 

Whats the big deal....

Can we now stay on the topic at hand. 

Its not the 90s anymore and its not about glam rock, hard rook or if GN’R or Motley share a similar fan base or not...

It's about making money and keeping that money in your own pocket.

Guns don't need to co headline a tour with anyone. 

They are selling tickets and making money all by themselves.

The reason why bands co headline today, is to ensure they increase the profit revenue for themselves. 

If you wouldn't normally sell out a venue by yourself, It makes business sense to join with another party to increase the ticket sales, to increase the revenue and split the profits. 

Touring is the main source of revenue for artists and the music industry today, replacing making money from album sales. 

If you look at it from this perspective, you can understand why GNR and their people turned this opportunity down... 

On 2/19/2024 at 1:24 AM, allwaystired said:

Money seems to be the absolute prime motive for GNR to exist now. Anyone saying otherwise is living in the past or being wilfully blind. 

The only comeback there possibly to it is that the sets are long. That's the only thing they don't HAVE to do. 

Anyway as we're in fantasy land, imagine if they did this, did theatre type venues.....and did something really nice like make tickets super cheap and available by a random lottery to fans. 

I'm still not convinced that the GNR ticket buying public would give two stuffs if Steven and Izzy were there or not as I doubt they know who they are, but I guess you can probably badge and hype something up enough to convince people they NEED to see it and do stadiums at astronomical prices. Which is what they'd do no doubt if it happens.  

Not sure we're you have been hiding, but the music industry and artists make money from touring, not selling albums or via streaming services. 

Guns N Roses have no control over the music industry and we're the revenue lies via supply and demand. 

The supply and demand from the paying public is in buying tickets to watch an artist's live performance, not going to a record store to buy a record or CD. 

I cannot understand, why people as yourself take issue with the money the band is making, when they are simply following a change in the way the music industry operates today.. 

The people that control the music industry today, are the likes of Live Nation,Danny Wimmer Presents and other concert promotors around the world including those who promote music festivals. 

They are offering guaranteed income to the artists. The artist gets paid regardless of how many tickets are sold and the promotor takes the financial risk and covers all the costs. 

Universal Music, Sony Music and Warner Music aren't the power brokers of the music industry anymore.. 

They aren't going to sign artists up to multi million dollar record label deals because they won't get a return on that investment via album sales like they once did in the past. 

The artists aren't making money from album sales, so they are making money from preforming live to provide for themselves and their families. 

Why wouldn't the band go were the money is?. 

It seems stupid not to... 

Do you honestly think in today's music industry, Universal Music are going to pay Guns N Roses to occupy studios, have producers, techs, engineers and band members on retainer to sit around for years recording music like they did during the making of Chinese Democracy. 

7 hours ago, Uncle Bob said:

No. Nobody has contacted them. In my experience, they started replying to comments complaining about the video or just expressing their negative thoughts in a post from Brando's Facebook page.

They also have been arguing with fans who expressed their dislike for the video in the comments section on their social media.

Very unprofessional and amateur. It honestly felt like it was Fernando the one doing that, because it's a very similar behaviour.

If anything, they are the demented ones.

I believe nobody did that.

You are part of the problem. 

Why would a member of the bands management team be replying to anything related to the company that created the content for the music video. 

When has any members of the bands management team been involved in video or animation production?. 

Why even bring that into the conversation?. 

Given people on social media seem to be giving this company unwanted grief, are they not afforded a right of reply?. 

Have you ever considered this behavior might be effecting those people involved personally?. 

Do you think they wanted this type of nonsense directed towards them for doing their jobs?. 

Place yourself in their shoes, and see the situation from their prespective. 

They would be thinking how unhinged a section of the Guns N Roses fan base is, because of a music video... 

That's a sad reflection on those people, not the people behind the creation of a music video. 

To many people bring baggage into these threads that seems to cloud general common sense.. 

Come back to reality please. 

It's only a music video.. 

On 12/13/2023 at 4:04 AM, Flayer said:

I like Eye On You. Bite me. I’ve shown it to several other people who did.

There’s no going downhill from what they did to The General, short of another release with the exact same issue.

You go to a restaurant, you order a meal, the steak arrives and it’s not the exact temperature you prefer, or the flavor isn’t to your liking, or the portions are skimpy, or you sat around waiting for your food to arrive for over an hour. Those are your complaints about any of these other songs.

The General is when your food is served with bits of plastic visibly sticking out of it, and the cook on the line, the kitchen’s head chef, and your waiter all failed to notice before passing it on to you.

The engineers, the band, the label, it’s an embarrassment for all of them, and it’s simply inexcusable. How am I supposed to respect an artist who doesn’t respect their own art?

Did you ever think that in this case the record label and the artist aren't on the same page or in agreement. 

It's highly possible the record label pulled the, "you are contractually obligated" card and the artist wasn't in agreement nor wanted to cooperate for what ever reason. 

Its possible the artist simply did what was required, with minimal effort as the artist wasn't going to see any financial benefits  compared to the record label. 

Artists don't make money via selling records or songs in today's music industry.

The record labels aren't the power brokers in the music industry anymore. That power ended when people stopped buying records.. 

Live Nation, Danny Wimmer and other tour promoters are the music industry power brokers today. 

On 12/11/2023 at 4:56 AM, username said:

Fair point. In the end, it's Axl calling the shots and keeping the incompetent leeches employed. 

The bands management aren't involved in the creation of the music. There is no mention of the bands management listed in the song credits. 

The bands management team handels is business affairs. If you do some research the bands lists it's Artists and Repertoire representative. If you don't know what a A & R rep does, here is a general description. 

A&R is the division of a record label or music publishing company that is responsible for scouting and overseeing the artistic development of recording artists and songwriters.[1] It also acts as a liaison between artists and the record label or publishing company. Every activity involving artists to the point of album release is generally considered under the purview and responsibility of A&R. 

The current management of Guns N Roses have never listed themselves as anything other then handling the bands business affairs.

You should be directing your frustration towards the record label, who have signed off on the official release of the finnshed product.. The record label is collecting the financial benefits of the Generals release..not the band nor it's management. 

The band is making its money via touring, as is every other artist in today's music industry. 

1 hour ago, JimiRose said:

Not because i expect it, because it makes no sense to wait another 2 years to release another 2 songs. Why? We know they are there. We already have them in near final form. Why not just release them? it's just ridiculous. All momentum will long since be lost once more then there'll be a random drop which goes unnoticed. they could have easily put those 6 songs on an ep in 2021. maybe throw in a cover of the seeker and witchita lineman. it's just so sad how shit they are. 30 years of this.

It's clear the record label are pushing this as they own the material recorded over 20 years ago, hence why it's older music featuring some members of the band at that particular point in time. 

The band are simply meeting an obligation. 

They aren't stupid and understand the record label are trying to get in on the money wagon as the record label aren't generating any financial income from the band touring. 

The band will release new music recorded by the current line up as they will have full control over that material. 

I think we need to take a step back and focus on the contents of the legal filling. 

Having read the legal filling, the core issues are copyright infringement under the Copyright Act and the other issue is under the California Fair Employment and Housing Act more specifically workplace sexual harassment.

There are a number of business entities listed along with an individual as defendants. 

The Plaintiff is listed as an independent contractor, who at one point in time operated under a contract for services. 

Under the California Fair Employment and Housing Act an independent contractor is protected under the act if the employeer, employees more than five employees. 

The issues at hand are:

# Who owns the material (the photos) and was the Plaintiff fairly compensated for work completed under the terms of a written contract or by general understanding (verbal agreements). 

# Did the employer provide a safe work environment under the terms of the California Fair Employment and Housing Act. 

1 hour ago, Free Bird said:

My personal prediction is that they indeed will work on the record, after Slash did what Slash has to do, like, maybe at the end of 2024. They probably gonna visit the studio but, unfortunately, there won't be a release (of this bew record) for reasons we will never know.

Edit: The same reasons for the CD era songs delay probably...

It's clear the reason why CD era songs are being released is because the record label owns that material. That's why we are getting old or recorded material from that era. 

As I have indicated previously, the band has the leverage, to control its own future and they are placing themselves in a position to do so either via a renegotiation with UMG under better terms or going independent via their own label.

Axl won't return to the days of having a record label control all aspects of the material. Its clear the CD era experience broke him. 

The fact that the big 3 have remained together and the reunion tour has gone so well, Axl, Slash, Duff and Guns N Roses are In a very strong position to decided their own future path... 

29 minutes ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

It's not just that they should have announced the delay before the last minute. They should have had their ducks in a row with the mix before they made it available to pre-order back in August. Hell, per Slash these reworkings we're done during 2020 and they were still listening to mixes in June of this year while on tour. Insanity. So I don't have any sympathy for them on this either. Is it wrong to release someone else's content without their permission? Yeah, but not to the extent that I have to feel sorry for them in this case. They've had years to work on getting this right.

You seem to think the band has control over this process. I put it to you that they don't and the process is being forced upon the band by the record label. We know for a fact, that the live era release was driven by the record label and individual band members stepped in to tidy up the mix as they weren't happy with what they had heard.. 

Perhaps interms of quality and video production has the signs of the band being fully involved in the process.

I would not be surprised if the video content recorded by the band on tour used in the Perhaps video is exclusively owned by Guns N Roses. 

UMG are on the other side of the fence as the aren't making money from the band touring... 

To me, the record label are trying to get in on the money wagon, and the band have pushed back, via controlling the product, taking there time collectively (Axl, Slash and Duff) to make sure its right. 

30 minutes ago, mr. ritz88 said:

Perhaps was only played once on my local radio station. They team Brazil does not know how to promote. I'm curious to hear if it was played on other local radio.

Team Brazil aren't A & R representatives.

They have never said they are or listed themselves as music promotors. 

They handle the bands business affairs. 

The job of promoting music is the record labels job as that's how they make there money and a return on that money they have invested in the band. 

1 hour ago, RONIN said:

As someone earlier said, the GnR job was just another gig to the guy. I doubt he cares even a scintilla about GnR or those songs he recorded in 2000. He's been very upfront about not being a fan of the band, not thinking too highly of the scene GnR came from, etc. It's pretty clear he viewed his scene/band as being of a higher caliber and the GnR thing was a downgrade. And ofcourse Axl, needless to say, heard all that and thought he was the perfect fit.

He's also been upfront that he was barely working and was making ends meet as a telemarketer prior to getting the call from Axl. No punk rock guy with real prospects would be hanging around with Axl and his merry men for 15+ years sporadically playing gigs and recording  bass layer #12 over decade old songs -  or playing instrumental jam #364831 on a tuesday at 2 AM with other random session players. He needed a job and Axl was dumb enough to keep all of these guys on a payroll for over a decade to work once a month on Chinese Democracy instead of reuniting the original lineup. Wasn't Tommy collecting like 200-250k/ yr for GnR - I remember the band salaries discussed here some years ago. That's a doctor's salary for basically doing next to nothing since his boss was MIA most of the time.

Not sure we're you got that from, more so from a few simple words that came out of Tommy's mouth. 

Tommy has moved on in life, and generally things from the past hold no relevance to the future more so when you aren't involved in that relationship anymore.

Tommy left the band to tend to family matters. I respect the man for that alone, as many of us fathers have left our jobs/professions for the same reason. 

I would suggest Axl respected that decision... 

Tommy strikes me as a person who knows, its not his place to speak about things, out of respect to others.

Tommy was highly respected by all involved during the period he was involved in the band... 

Just relate some of this to general life. Would you want to talk about something that happened 20 years ago like a bad relationship/marriage break up, or a previous job and wouldn't you want to move on in life and out of respect to others involved, and to not open a new can of worms, wouldn't it be better, to just say nothing... 

1 hour ago, Appetitefordiscussion said:

I think the biggest roadblock to this happening is the fact that the band is not hurting for money or publicity. 

BUT it would be cool to see an official documentary with interviews 

 

I think the major issue is simply Axl, Slash and Duff don't want or need any outside influences to cause friction in relation to the personal relationships they have rebuilt. 

All 3 seem to get on well and they all seem at piece with each other, putting the past behind them having moved on. They all seem happy and content in life... 

It sounds so simple when people want to believe it's as easy as past band members turning up at rehearsals or in a studio and things will magically be recreated like back in 1987.

When it comes to personal relationships, things are very different, more so as time goes by.

1 hour ago, axlinkafayette said:

I tend to agree, it's odd the band or management hasn't made any real statement 

It's not the bands nor its managements responsibility. The promotor is responsible for any possible rescheduled show and any fall out from this particular show that was postponed. The promotor will be working with the venue and all other stake holders to find a potential future date and an announcement will be made by the promotor not the band nor it's management. 

14 hours ago, whatashame said:

I would say that every single GNR line up has been and will be toxic as fakk. The current one included.

The current one doesn't grant interviews, there is way too much money involved for anybody to speak up or for any line up changes. You take the current line up, remove all the dough, offer them as much as GNR earned 98-14 and wait for the shyt storm.

The Perhaps video tells a different story. Again you are someone who believes this within there own mind without any evidence to back that up.

I have seen plenty of evidence including on stage, that the current environment is a healthy one. 

Besides, these people aren't children as  children don't have the maturity to speak up, These guys are adults and have the maturity to speak their mind and understand the situations they are in... They have chosen not to speak for there own reasons and they have every right to do so... 

They have all moved on in life.. No need to make drama were there isn't any. 

Unless an ex member makes a current public statement about there involvement it's only forum speculation and talk around the water cooler. 

Finck, Stinson, Freese, Mantia and Bumblefoot all seem at peace with themselves... 

They are all adults and understand life moves on and as adults probably happy things have worked out for the best for all those involved including themselves... 

You guys act like these guys are children. These guys have been through band break ups before, marriage separations, being solo parents and through the good and bad times in life. I highly doubt they care about what happened in the past... It will all be water off a ducks back to each of them...