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40 minutes ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:
TB's MO not axls
is to cut everyone out from his pre 91 life
meegan is a threat
erin is a threat
slash is a threat
izzy and canter are a big threat
zutaut is a threat
niven is an inconvenient reminding threat
goldstein is a loser
adler is not a threat hes a nippy dog
even duff is a threat if he didn't share the same 100% greed trait with them
stephanie is a question mark ? they must think well its how we met him and axl loves her like an enigma so maybe shes in some other weird category
TB want to take credit for axl's success as in him being gigantically successful b/c of their involvement in his life post 91 and all they have to show for it is some bichy little argument about some stolen bunk CD's from a stupid highschool changing room locker
Absolutely no proof of any of that, only your assumptions.
If you read the article the main entity involved is an individual and UMG.
No mention of the bands current management being involved.
The article states a band representative as making a comment on the situation.
That could be anyone including a UMG rep to a legal representative who are separate from the bands management team.
Did you ever stop to think that the bands management team are not commenting because, this issue is being handled by others or UMG as they are the ones taking legal action against the individual.
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48 minutes ago, djones1225 said:
I've said before, I personally don't blame Axl for the wait of CD, the album was ready in 2000 / 2001, Axl was ready for his "comeback". What held up the release was the record company & that Queen producer who told him he only had a few good songs out of batch of like 30 or more. If I were Axl and the producer who produced my favorite albums told me I only had a few good songs out of 3 or 4 years work on 30+ songs, I would be pissed & devastated that I'd have to go back to the drawing board pretty much. Axl turned in the remix album to the record company in 2010 but they turned it down. GNR hit the studio in 2015 before the reunion but nobody could agree on material, that's why members left & other reasons. The record company has been pushing for a reunion since Slash left now hes back, and now I'm 100% sure they will released anything GNR comes up with, only cause of that headline "First Original Material GNR Album with Slash & Duff Mckagan since 1991 Use Your Illusion I & II".
They are also using the leverage of touring and demand.
People believe these guys and the people behind the scenes don't know what they doing.
The band are placing themselves in the best position to have full control over what and when they release music, either via their own means (label) or control over any current or future agreement with UMG.
Thats the reason for continuing to tour.
Currently UMG aren't the benefactors of any of that touring revenue.
The promotors (live nation etc), the bands booking agent and the band itself are the ones receiving all those benefits.
Perfect position to be in, to look after your own interests and or negotiate.
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Great to see positive discussion and some new posters in this thread. Not the normal negative posters who are often doubters, who wax lyrical about the bands demise and this band is finished, who aren't around in this thread to admit they were wrong.
They are happy to throw stones, but cannot front up, put their hand up and say My bad.
Yes there are a few issues to be critical of, including some cities being missed in the UK and Europe, if its the same old tour or a new tour, and yes people can discuss this, more so if you are affected by these decisions in relation to being able to attend a show, but its great to have all the nonsense baggage some bring into these threads left out, and people are discussing how excited they are to see GNR in their neck of the woods.
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43 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:
Well the band is normally pre-recorded, they let the vocal go live assuming the singer can... you know, sing! crazy concept in 2019
RHCP pre-recorded the band instruments and Anthony sang live over it. They claim that it's just too risky with a live broadcast to have that many live instruments, they just want to be sure that the sound is perfect. My thoughts are... there's weeks and weeks of pre production. You can save and store multiple mixes on a digital desk, there are hundreds of top level sound engineers working in the lane of musicians capable of playing the superbowl... maybe, just maybe hire a band that can A) hold the attention of thousands of American football fans in attendance, as well as entertain the millions that tune in just to see the show B) hire a mix engineer that can deliver a great live sound in the stadium as well as on live TV.
GNR are far, far to unpredictable as a live act... as in one show is good, the next can be awful (vocally) so I just don't think it's a good idea for GNR.
As for the constant stream of new dates... I'm not surprised, not upset, I don't care. I expect them to fill in more dates and possibly go into the summer or further. Not 20-40 dates in a row, but a fairly regular flow. They should however be taking this full year off! I don't even mean to record a new album (that's a pipe dream), I mean that they have been down peoples throats in a big way since April of 2016, they need to go away and let people have a chance to miss them. There are so many bands out overexposing themselves and year by year they play to less and less people.
Not in markets those bands don't visit or have not visited at all.
Bands make money touring. That's how the music industry operates today and that has seen the likes of Live Nation and other promotors becoming more powerful, than record labels via profit making.
Guns N Roses is not actively looking to play live shows or tour.
Based on demand, a promotor will reach out and put the feelers out to the bands booking agent
If things fit interms of band member availability and the nuts and bolts are worked out, than the band will commit.
I would suspect the band has turned down offers to play in other countries, as it would not make financial sense to go all the way to play in Australia, if the band did not tack on a New Zealand leg or Japan leg as part of a tour cycle.
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For people who seem to dismiss alot of what TB does or individuals within the bands inner circle, you sure are obsessed by what they say or do.
Thats creepy, given these people have no impact on each of your daily lives.
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I still don't understand why people don't seem to get the fact TB have no control over what YouTube does as it's a third party.
YouTube have their own policies around copyright and removeal of content as a third party and separate entity.
As I have explained before, the same issue of copy right content being removed is also effecting Nascar, as their copyright material was being flagged and removed from curtain Nascar fan YouTube channels.
It turns out, these requests were made by a fan, who happens to have their own YouTube Nascar fan channel.
Nascar was contacted about this matter, and they wish they could have assisted, but their was nothing they could do as YouTube is a third party and these take downs operated under YouTubes own terms and conditions.
All these external issues involving TB are irrelevant.
The issues are entirely based around YouTubes own policies and clear loop holes being exploited.
In short, their is nothing anyone can do, who is the legal owner of copyright material or a person , who personally recorded content and then uploaded that content to YouTube, to prevent any one person from flagging or requesting that content be removed, with this content being deemed for what ever reason, a breach of YouTubes terms and conditions.
If some of you have an issue with the take downs, I would suggest you direct that at YouTube.
Good luck with that one.
Given TB are an easy target to blame, as they won't respond or publicly comment.
If you are objective about this issue, take a step back, you might understand why.
Why get involved in something that does not directly involve you, that's out of your control or take on a battel you are not going to win against YouTube.
I would think the best approach, is to focus on things you can control.
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Some people seem to live their lifes in the past or believe, because they do, the band has to aswell.
The core 3 members of the current band are older and wiser in life, with their individual lives having changed from when we first came across them in 1986 or in the 90s during the UYI days.
People seem to think the band and its core members are back in the past at a curtain time and age in their lifes.
They also don't seem to understand during this period, the music industry has changed and progressed in its life cycle.
Touring and playing live is were you make the money, for both promotors, labels and more importantly the artists themselves, due to the change in the way music is released and the reduction in album sales.
My point is, of course this is a job for these guys, it pays the morgage, bills and for 2 of the core members, it supports their children.
I would also add Dizzy, Richard and Frank as they also have families.
Melissa seems to be enjoying life and going with the flow, something a young Axl, Slash and Duff once did in life.
In terms of Axl, I think he views GNR as being his livelihood and a business owner.
How much they earn is not relevant, as its their art and hard work thats created a supply and demand for GNR around the world.
I cannot understand how many of you seem to begrudge these guys for receiving the benefits of there art and labour or find things inconsequential to focus on, like the live experience being compared to a theatre production or the band not talking to fans during the show.
These guys were loaded back in those days and talked utter nonsense due to being f****d out of their minds.
People seem to forget, during the UYI days the stage production at the time with the album covers being hang at the side of the stage, the walkways etc, was considered a high level of show production.
The major difference from back than to now for Axl, Slash and Duff was, their age, maturity, personal demons, dealing with fame, alcohol and drug use.
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Why are some of you so concerned about the bands management, that has no effect on their personal lives?. Some of you are acting as if the bands management, manage your daily lives.
If this issue does not effect you personally, than why are you wasting your time on the bands management and how they choose to manage issues, that only effect the band.
Its has been clear for some time, that the band nor its management are not directly involved in content being removed. Case closed.
Now, some of you are concerned about the response by a member of the bands management to a person on social media , and have seen this as an opportunity to be little this person because of her background or questioning her motivation.
Why bother wasting your own personal time and effort, given none of you know the person (Beta) personally, with this person having no involvement in our personal lives.
Reading peoples comments, more so people who have taken to personally attacking the character of Beta or members of the bands management, makes these people acting on boarderline stalker behaviour, "A person who harasses or persecutes someone with unwanted and obsessive attention".
Some of you, have to much time on your hands.
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i truly don't get why some posters mention the band making money from their art. They are the ones who created the art, preform the art and deserve the rewards that offers them. They like the rest of us, have families to support and mortgages to pay. When people use the term cash grab or reference money as a motivation for any persons motives, smells of jealousy and envy. Why some of you are so concerned about the money these people make, with most of you having never meet these people in person, with these people having no affect or involvement in your personal lives is beyond me. As a fan or paying customer, i dont give a flying F##k about the money they earn, they have a right to earn it, and i don't begrudge them for doing so. Same applies to the All Black rugby players, with me paying to attend, to watch them play Ireland live on Saturday in Japan, to the guy who works at my local supermarket at the checkout, to the real estate agent i am paying to sell my home. Who gives a F##k about what these people earn apart from the person themselves and their family as a means to put food on their table and a roof over their heads.
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1 hour ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:i don't know how many other deep cuts they can introduce before the NITL becomes absolutely obsolete
to me the only way if they were to extend this milk trip is to bring in the originals for the farewell leg which i was hoping would be this last push
i'm one of the few that believes this last leg is truly the 93 argentina wrap up - no record no nothing left in the tank for us to see or hear - most of the fans have been played
You live in this forum and its bubble to much. No disrespect.
There are plenty of fans around the world who have never had or have had very little opportunities to see the band live.
As I have mentioned before. If Guns N Roses returned to New Zealand for the 5th time only in its history from 1987 to present time, 60,000 would attend as they did in. 2017.
Their is a world outside of this fan forum and again no disrespect, but people as yourself continue to be proven wrong.
The fact the band is still touring and promotors seem to feel their is a demand, points to the band still being relevant. The band are not the ones approaching promotors, it's the other way around, due to supply and demand.
You cannot go back in time, either Guns N Roses as a band nor its members.
Neither can you or I.
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10 hours ago, jamillos said:
Yep. I’m still discontented about the fact that so far, nobody has really asked Axl the question why. It even took a while before someone asked how the whole thing happened (I think it was the Axl + Duff video interview), where we got some basic timeline. But we still don’t know what it was exactly, when did it happen in Axl’s head that he went from "not in this lifetime" to "ok, it’s happening". Was it over three years? Did it happen within a month? Over night? (Don’t think so.) What was it that made him eventually change his mind? I know he’d said things could partially work if Slash apologized, but Slash hadn’t apologized publicly, yet they still worked it out at the end... What was the incentive, and when, how? Damn it, just questions, no answers. But hey, this is GN’R.
It's really not any of our business or our place to ask these questions, whether as a fan or the media.
Its on a par, with a work colleague or a causal acquaintance going through a divorce or separation and you asking them about the details.
I would imagine, you would not be recognised as being close to that person, and you would be told to mind your own business.
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So, exactly how are the band and their management going to stop a fan or fans, who are requesting content to be removed from a third party platform. Does Guns N Roses and their management own instagram, facebook or YouTube, or are they simply a user of these social media platforms and have no control over how that content is regulated. I would think it would be common sense, that the issues lie at the feet of social media companies, and the loop holes created to allow this practice, not the band or its management. These issues are not isolated to Guns N Roses content. People who have social media accounts across a number of platforms covering sports, movie reviews etc, are all having the same issues, with people requesting content to be removed due to copyright infringement. It's happening because of loop holes within social media platforms, and it's being exploited by people, to benefit themselves.
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13 hours ago, HollyWoodRose84 said:
Two different topics. If you buy something you own it. It’s your property. If it’s stolen property and you distribute it, then it’s illegal. No point oh continuing to beat this topic to death.
Its a very simple thing to understand.
The guy was paid money in good faith.
Now he is seeking attention, fame and fortune at the bands expense.
The band and its management are protecting their interests.
Thats what any person or business would do, to ensure they are not opening themselves up to further attempts to be taken advantage of and distancing themselves from this person and their behaviour.
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On 11/10/2019 at 3:13 PM, MaskingApathy said:
Yeah pretty stupid thing to do.
Because it's about attention seeking. If you take a step back, and look at this subjectively, placing your personal feelings about the bands management to one side, its very simple.
It's extortion and a shake down for more money.
They paid him money as compensation, and this person now wants more.
The band and its management have a right to remove or refuse entry to a show, if they deem it necessary.
Don't over complicate something, that is that simple to understand, why that person was advised, to no longer attend Gun N Roses concerts in the future.
The band and its management are not the ones in the wrong, as they are simply pretecting their interests.
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52 minutes ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:
who says i don't like the subject matter nice twist
i didn't say suckers in that the fans are losers i place blame pricipally on the machine
and since you went to the shows and i've gone to some shows who cares
most gnr shows suck and some are actually good like 1 out of 10 son - thats how much of a gnr loser i am - i pay attention to the trends to see when that one good show will come up and i actually like the mystery of gnr dangling that stupid carrot - they were better than zeppelin after all
u gotta be in the knows - random US shows will be underwhelming 10-15% ok - LatAM shows will be 70/30 good, europe 50/50 - rock in rio or any other douchey festivals mega fails etc etc
in the end the band only cares about crazy fans that go nuts at concerts and that inspire them like me not like fans that are ok to take it and keep taking it - the main problem are fans that think they know gnr but really don't
Thats cool man, I get it, you have issues with the band. Direct those issues you have at the band. Their was no need, to refer to fans who go to shows, as being suckers. Your intensions are plan to see. You can walk it back all you want. Don't shit on the fans who choose to pay money to go to a show.
You accuse the band of being of disrespectful towards you as a fan, and in return, you treat the fans who go to shows, in the exact same way.
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48 minutes ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:
kinda sucks for the suckers that still go to the shows
has there been any other band in the fucking world that milks the fuck out of their same set lists more than GNR
answer: NO they are in league of their own
Seeing you are having a crack at me and the rest of the fans who go to the shows, I will respond.
Kind of sucks for a poster to waste their own time and effort on making a comment, when they clearly don't like the subject matter, and could be doing other things to occupy their mind and time.
I would suggest their is only one sucker, out their, and it ain't the ones going to the shows.
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26 minutes ago, rockphantom said:@kiwigunsWas the crowd on the tame or wild side? Was it possible to relax and enjoy the show or did you have to keep your guard up at all times like at a pure rock/metal show?
I have a standard GA ticket and I'm planning for next Friday's show. I would appreciate a heads up on the mood of the crowd.
Even though it will be a different group of people, the vibe should be similar.
I am glad you had fun in Austin! I lived there for 13 years and had more good times than bad.
Thank you!
It wasn't to bad. Alot of younger people around me, and they seemed to be respectful. I did stand next to a guy with dread locks, and I got a face full of locks now and than, but he was cool and kept apologising. I must say people were great, and when they saw me wearing a GNR shirt, they made room, and we were able to shuffle our way towards the front to get as close as possible. The biggest issue I had was seeing a snake, slither past me, while walking to the stage area to get our spot. For those that don't know, we don't have snakes in New Zealand, so that experience freaked us out, and we give ourselves up as being tourists, and possibly looking like we were tripping.
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Great show and great atmosphere. GNR and its fans were differently a minority and the band a novelty, but that's understandable even the different types of music genres and people attending. It was cool to see alot of non GNR fans take the time to admire and enjoy the show.
It's funny when you observe these people as they are drawn to the band, as today's younger generation and music loves, don't understand what a rock n roll band, or rock stars are.
The band. Tight as usual, and Axl seems to be in the zone. A number of people around me (non GNR fans), were amazed at his energy, stage presence and vocal range.
Small cool little moment between Axl and Melissa. Axl got up on the ramp behind Frank and ended up towards Melissa's side.
Melissa seemed to have had a coughing fit, and Axl stopped , put his arm around her to see if she was alright. He must have said something to her that was funny, as they had a laugh together, but that made her cough again, and Melissa did a shoo type movement with her hand, like you would to a dog, to go away. It was all in good fun.
Really great to see all members having fun, and more so Axl.
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Listen to a majority of you Americans complain. I have no choice, but to travel the world to see my favorite band. I will make this very simple for those that dont get it.
Guns N Roses have toured and played only 4 times in my home city (Auckland) and country (New Zealand) 1987, 1993, 2009, 2017. I attended all of these shows.
To see this band, i have traveled to Australia, Brazil, UK and this is my 3rd time in the US to attend Guns N Roses shows, my first experience seeing the band appear at US music festivals.
New Zealand has been lucky, as i know their are fans, who have traveled the world because Guns N Roses has not even visited their country to preform live.
You simply don't understand, what you people in the US have access to and seem ungrateful for it.
If you dont want to attend a live show , for what ever reason, thats cool, but dont use the band as the excuse.
The band has always done its own thing, and so his the lead singer of the band. Axl, Slash and Duff have become older in life, and that happens to all of us, and more importantly, the band have never promised anything to us the fans, weather that be a change to its current line up, playing new music at a live show or changing the set list.
If you were and are expecting these thing's, than that's on you.
I plan to see the band for a second time on my US festival tour at ACL, and i leave any expectations at the gate.
That makes the experience of seeing the band in a different environment more enjoyable.
And yes, seeing the band play in a different country, talking to and being around other people, from these countries, who are fans of the band aswell, makes the experience of seeing GNR live more memorable. even with the same set list in place.
Some of you should try it.
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Festivals have changed over the decades and only a few tend to cater towards a curtain style of music. Most festivals today cater towards a across section of artists appearing and music genres.
We use to have the Big Day Out in New Zealand in the early 90's and in those days, it solely catered to rock n roll, alternative or punk.
It's was cool because you were surrounded by like minded people weather you were into punk, goth, metal or rock n roll.
Walking around yesterday at Louder than Life, i spoke to people who were their for a purpose, to see a curtain artist or band, and it was clear alot of people were each to their own interms of reasons for attending the festival.
One thing I did notice, and I understand the need for it, was the amount of coporate promotion via festival sponsors around (selling products onsite) and that also adds to a change in the type of people you get attending festivals.
I spoke to a number of people who were at Louder than Life for no reason at all and seemed to be more interested in other things than the artists appearing on stage or the music these artists preform.
I have read comments on the festivals official facebook page, and most people commenting on Guns N Roses, being late and or the bands preformance, fall into this category.
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My Review
Its not the first time I have attended an American music festival, but times have changed since 1996 Rockford, Illinois and Lollapalooza.
This festival, like most today, attracts a wide range of people and that's understandable given the diversity of artists appearing. The only issue I have is a curtain majority only attended for the sake of attending with no real purpose. You can identify these people easily and often, these are the people who complain after the fact on social media or leave the event early.
I still don't understand why you would pay money to attend and leave early because of the fact you don't like the artist or the way they sound.
I can completely understand leaving early due to transport, family or work commitments.
The band
I always go into each Guns N Roses live show open mind, and excited about the experience of seeing my favourite band live. When Duff plays the opening bass riff to ISE, the tension and excitement in your gut releases and very quickly you end up being pulled into the world of GNR.
First thing you notice, being close to the stage is how relaxed and comfortable everyone is on stage together.
For me, it's the things that go largely unnoticed.
At one point Axl was talking into his mic off PA, to the other members via their inears. It must have been amusing as all the band members had a smile or a laugh and even Slash glanced back and acknowledge what was said via a smile and a smirk.
The band sound tight and Axl moved through 1st to 6th gear after brownstone. It amazes me how the man can be that active on stage for 3 hours. The sweat was pooring of his forearms and soaking his teeshirts.
Looking forward to seeing the band in Austin at ACL.
Also a big thanks to a random follow GNR fan, who helped me find one of my contact lenses. Cool to chat with someone about our favourite band while on hands and knees.
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1 hour ago, 2020_Intensions said:
This setlist is so stale I can't believe a band as exciting as GNR could put on such a boring snoozefest of a show ... Even during the rockers it just seems so boring it's really disappointing ... The future for this band looks bleak ...
Clearly you aren't at the show, enjoying yourself, as I am with the people around me. Let me tell you about the future of this band. I was standing next to a group of 4 twenty years olds, who I just meet today, who were spell bound by this band, its preformance and it's lead singer. If people like you could take your time to appreciate what we Guns N Roses fans currently have, instead of bitching from behind a key board, you might actually take joy in the fact that most people around me and at the show, as we are still leaving are very complementary, surprised at how good the band was and reactions positive towards the band and its preformance. This band is loaded like a freight train, flying like an aero plane....
It's, funny. I choose to leave all the negative stuff I read on this forum at the gates when I entered.
After being in an environment of positivity, were people were open minded, and objective based on what they saw with their own eyes, you return to a forum supposedly for fans, and walk into negativty and closed mindedness.
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Let's hope those who believe an ex drummer may appear based on rumours, are man or woman enough to put their hand up, and admit to being that gullible. Or will it be the classic case of let's find the easiest people to blame as in the band, its members or management.
Until these people realise that won't occur, the easier it is, for them to let sleeping dogs lie.
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Axl in his current physical state is more healthy than Brandon Curry the recent winner of Mr Olympia or most bodybuilders. You don't get people who pay money to attend a show or who are fans of bodybuilding show much concern about the physical appearance or for their health given the use of steroids, growth hormones and diuretics that lead to future major health issues for a majority of these people.
Axl's life expectency is more important to me as a fan, and is a more valuable asset than taking issue with his current physical appearance.
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Official GNR Social Media Update / Discussion
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Not sure what that has to do with anything interms of what Beta did in the past. But hey if you want to treat housekeepers with little respect or not wanting to appreciate a person who wants to do better in life, than that's up to you. I would suggest that's more of a reflection on you than Beta or her family. It might actually be the case, that Axl has people around him, who he believes has his best interests in mind not self-interest. I would also suggest that's why Niven,Goldstein, Mercuriadis, Azoff and McGhee were shown the door by Rose.
I would suggest, when you have been mislead and taken advantage of, you surround yourself with the people you trust
Its the natural thing to do in life for any situation that involves trust issues.
Of course, it might be possible, that the current band management in place, his kept the bad influences at arms length, that has resulted in the much happier and content Axl Rose we now see on stage. That Axl Rose appearing and that time line seems to fit in, with when the current band management team took over from past managers shown the door.