Good, Fuck'n, Night.

If they both have a program & stay connected with other people who had similar experiences in the same way they did before the tour, then no, there is little chance. If they were doing these things, then started not doing them on tour, then yes, chances start increasing.

Continued long term sobriety has very little to do with external circumstances or situations, it is entirely internal. "If the inside is right, the outside cant be wrong" regardless of circumstance in your external world. "If the inside is wrong, the outside cant be right" even if your external world seems perfect.

They have both been sober a long time & have a huge amount of experience between them about what works & what doesn't. I'm quite sure they will be fine. 

8 hours ago, cremefraiche said:

The band don't lose money no matter how many people show up - it's up the promoter to pay GnR their nightly fee, and decide on ticket prices based on how much profit they (thepromoter) want to make. GnR make the same money at a 30,000 seater as they do at a 60,000 seater. 

Not picking at you or anything btw, a few people on this forum seem to think GNR have a huge say over their tours and stuff "they should have done this instead of that". Sure, to an extent they can specifically include or exclude given cities, but they don't sit there going "Hmm, what cities should we play next year guys?" That's all on the promoters who approach GNR with dates/venues and GNR say yes or no, or "add this" or "minus that."

When Kid Rock  wanted to make tickets more affordable for his tour he didn't just go and change the ticket price - he can't. He had to lower his fee so that the promoters wouldn't need to set prices so high to make a profit.  

At the end of the day ticket sales/box office etc is of fairly little consequence to the band. Maybe it's in their contracts that they get a % of ticket sales, who knows? But, if GNR's fee is, say, $5 million per night, they make a guaranteed $50 million off a 10-date tour (plus merchandise etc) regardless of who shows up or how much the tour grosses.

Not taken in that way at all.

You seem to be making a different point, or I am not understanding how this relates to my opinion? 

All I was trying to say (IMO) is that in their current incarnation, their stock ,or worth, is never going to be greater than it is now. (Now being the 1st run of reunion shows around the globe)

The value of the tour is based on total tickets sold regardless of their cut. Their cut however is very much based on initial calculations of forecasted sales & average ticket price.

Their guaranteed cut will be up for negotiation some point in time. 

I may well be wrong, but whats going to keep interest up after the first run? They could try to capture the market they priced out first go round with cheaper tickets, not saying that's a band decision, it will be a business decision by the promoters & managers. But if for example shows were grossing 6m & the band was getting a 5m contracted cut, if future shows were projected to gross only 4m, you can sure as shit bet Guns wont be offered 5m to play.   

1 hour ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

LMAO. That's all I gotta say

Dude reads a lot like that "IT'S FURTUS TIME" nutter. 

5 hours ago, blackieloveless said:

he is basically calling it a Nostalgia tour and saying the fans are cool with that , is he right ?

Is he wrong?

9 hours ago, SEPTEM said:

have wanted)

Just keep.in mind this next words:  SLASH IS NOT ( AND IT WONT BE FOR A LOOONG TIME) PLAYING ANY SMKC material.. On the other hand HeS playing SORRY, THIS I LOVE, CATCHER, CHINESE DEMOCRACY.

 

 

 

What is your point exactly? 

Edit..

Never mind, just read your other posts. 

Not interested in getting involved in that.

30 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I'm on the fence about this part. I think with a big enough hit single, they could pull in the same numbers again here in the states.

When I say numbers I am talking $$$ more than bums in seats. IMO the ticket prices would have to come down second time around to keep attendance up. 

I'm not sure a big hit single would have me forking out for VIP tickets second time around, not with this line up. Though I would be there. 

Appetite 5 on the other hand I would sell the farm for, I just don't see it happening? Hope I'm wrong. 

12 hours ago, thunderram said:

 

And many may not get why you care about the fact that some others care about GNR being the biggest band in the world, you know? To each their own. It goes both ways.

With regard to Coldplay, let's see how their numbers look nearly 30 years after they first broke on to the scene. The fact that GN'R is holding their own without a ton of promotion or a huge piece of the younger millennial fanbase is impressive.

GnR is not even on the "who's the biggest.....blah blah blah, band in the whatever" list. They are currently a very successful touring act based on music they created 25-30 years ago, a spectacular implosion in their prime & a public feud that kept fans waiting 20 years for what is now, a big deal reunion. But... without new music the novelty will wear off, they are not part of the contemporary music landscape. I say this as a massive Guns fan, I fucking hate Coldplay, but they are undeniably, currently, a bigger & more relevant band than GnR. The sustainability of their stock is based on current & future music releases that connect with people NOW. They will continue to sell out stadiums in the years to come. GnR's stock is 100% reunion based & nostalgia driven. Europe is the peak. Even with new music I don't see then repeating the numbers of NITL tour ever again. 

On 06/12/2016 at 1:38 AM, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I don't care about my t shirt I just wanted the code.

exactly. 

18 hours ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

Or it's the fact that Frank is a great, more than capable drummer who has been in GN'R for 10 years and has been a prominent drummer on the previous and next album and Axl isn't just going to dump him after his loyalty.

Hi Franks Mom. 

I personally love the album & the fact it has been doctored changes that not one bit. It's the GnR album I listen to the most, I enjoy all of it & its one of the few CDs I can just push play & enjoy the whole lot, both disks. 

As has been said it gives an idea of what modern production adds to their sound.

17 hours ago, Night Drive Lonelinessl said:

several songs fit illusions like better, this i love, street of dreams, if the world, prostitute, there was a time, madagascar, irs. basically all the songs from guns n roses chinese democracy cd fit illusions. count me on as another saying it is best post guns record. clearly it is and clearly it is to axl to

I forced myself to give that dogs breakfast of an album a second chance, just in case I was having an aneurysm I was unaware of the first listen. Nope, still a total unlistenable mess. SOD has a GNR song in it, the rest I'm not so sure about.

12 hours ago, Rovim said:

But this dude does. Now Axl has all the control. So the dude that treats Guns N' Roses as his own solo project is gonna do things differently compared to how he did it when he didn't have a choice. Now he has all the choices, so his priorities dictate the whole operation and he takes his time until it's ready. That is not likely to change.

What is more relevant is how Axl has handled it for the past 20 years, not what happened when Axl was still a team player. Now he is the dictator and you expect him to go against the norm.

He is going against the norm. The norm of releasing albums just for the sake of releasing more albums and making more money by touring.

But a Guns album is a difficult task to achieve considering how Axl sees it, Slash's return, and other factors.

You assume Axls not releasing material is his striving for perfection for the sake of guns legacy. I think the weight of expectation & fear of not living up to what he once was is all it is. Axls Ego was & still is the problem, it just manifests it self in slightly different ways now days.

On 17/11/2016 at 2:03 AM, EvanG said:

They're not as original as Chamberlin:

 

Love Chamberlin. 

1 minute ago, Rovim said:

Well, how do you think it is currently, if you had to guess? what? you think Axl is gonna release an album in 6 months with largely Slash tunes? you're dreaming. I'm not trying to pass my opinion as Axl's, I'm just trying to figure out, based on his past actions and what we know he said, what are the realistic possibilities for a future release.

You don't have to agree with it dude, but I don't know if it's that crazy, given how weird this current Guns situation is, and how Axl went through the Illusions release and Chinese as well.

I can't see how Axl is gonna not consider the meaning of a Guns album and how his existing unreleased material is going to reflect current Guns and Slash and Duff fit into his musical interests.

As I see it, it's still Axl's pet project. No matter how huge it is and that Slash and Duff are back. So it's like all these solo projects with Axl's at the center and he will still be the one to decide on it's direction, which remains unclear.

It's as straightforward as I can possibly explain, just the way I see it.

I'm not trying to say you are passing your opinion as Axls, I just find your POV frightening, is all.

I don't expect an album in 6 months, but time waits for no man. You really think Axl is going to record listenable music into his 60s?

Axl is doing an OK job on this tour but he needs Slash & Duff as much as they need him. Hes slowly fading.

Slash & duff recording over old work by Axl will just be more soulless uninspired music, it wont fly.

Collaboration is whats needed. 

50 minutes ago, Rovim said:

But shouldn't we factor what an album means to Axl? after all, he's the one who calls all the shots. (many shots at least)

I don't think it's just a rock n roll album. It's Gn'R's legacy, believe it or not. A Guns album has a lot of weight. You gotta understand it's not an Izzy or Slash solo album. It's an Axl Rose solo album filtered through Guns.

Don't think it's gonna be a fuck yeah album.

It's very possible they're sitting together or did or will. But there is talk about Slash reconvening with Myles and the Conspirators once the tour is over.

We have so little information we have to read between the lines with Axl and consider he doesn't operate the same way as a prolific musician or any other musician will really.

So you can't just use what works in your head for other normal human beings. It's Axl and he's still the boss. It looks like he wants to rerecord vocals, write new tunes with vocal melodies and lyrics in mind first, and still wants to use his tunes or what he has with Slash playing on top of it.

What is likely the case here, going by what Axl said recently, is that he will once again go for an album that has the "right" tunes, musical statement, and a lot of work is ahead of them cause he's not gonna use what he has as is.

I honestly cant view this POV as anything other than madness, If Axl truly thought this way I would walk away as a fan because we will never hear another GnR album ever again. 

"It's an Axl Rose solo album filtered through Guns."

Axl Rose is not Guns n Roses & I suspect he now understands that quite well. Another album remotely close to CD & that will be it for GnRs legacy. 

Guns N Roses is a collaboration of five specific musicians, Not Axl & four anybody's. The sum was always greater than the parts, Axl included. 

Your post is a road map to "Everyone telling Axl to piss off, again" 

10 hours ago, Rovim said:

You could be right. It's just I don't think it must change your mindset. Especially considering Axl is less black and white when it comes to certain things, perhaps even selling out.

Cause you know... I go back to how he talked about the next possible Guns album recently and also the importance of the vault for him and precisely because when it comes to Axl caring about what fans think, it's more the big picture. How Guns will be remembered in the long run. How much timeless he can achieve through Guns, his artistic vehicle. I think he believes the only road to total legendary status is an immaculate track record of timeless Guns albums.

Maybe that's why he mentioned he didn't do enough in Guns. He joked about the catalog being very small. That means it bothers him it's like that and maybe that could be the reason why he'll actually move his ass and deliver at least a final great Guns album with Slash and Duff fitting his musical vision.

And that's directly connected to the albums. Only to the albums as long as the tour is good enough to be lucrative. He's having a fun time making money and listening to Slash playing solos over what he worked so hard to achieve on his own, with no support from Slash and Duff.

This is a time to take it all in. And cash in. There will be a time to go back to it and tinker with super weapons at his disposal. But the goal is always total destruction. He moves slowly, but always forward. He wants to first write melodies and lyrics now. I think that's cause he still cares about what's the ideal way of making it the most organic it can be. Still artistic. Could have used a few Slash riffs and made cock rock anthems.

It ain't over until Axl has released another album. When he releases disposable shit, call me.

2008 just called

CD is to GnR what "give me some reggae" is to Knocking on heavens door. 

Call me nostalgic, but I would love some Bluesy, southern rock, honky-tonk piano sounding tunes, mixed with some climatic ballads & hard rocking punk edged songs with slash shredding over it all & Axl wailing like a man possessed. That's what I want from a new album, I want to hear GNFNR.  

Do what you do do well. If I want to listen to progressive rock mixed with electronica I will listen to Radiohead. 

3 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I think the band which provides five more albums to another band's one is infinitely less nostalgic, but perhaps that is just me!

 

Quite, unless you shift the goal posts to the extent that you are required to to produce a ever differing style or sound, to everyone's liking, every time you release a album & never play your back catalogue on tour to not be considered a "nostalgia act".  

As I stated earlier, any act performing over a 30 year period has a degree of nostalgia attached to it, Metallica included. However they are not close to GnRs level of nostalgia.

Billy Corgan was a stubborn self absorbed fuck in regard to changing sound & only playing new music. Look where that got him.

1 hour ago, Lies They Tell said:

It got mixed reviews. Both good and bad. Everybody knows that, but that's beside the point. You claimed that people who like CD are only found on boards like this, which is simply factually incorrect. That's it. You just made a factually incorrect statement and I pointed it out cause I'm not a fan of bullshit. But it's no big deal. Let's move on.

I hope typing that made you feel better. 

13 minutes ago, shjtjustgotreal said:

*butthurt  

Very Kind of you, thanks. 

6 hours ago, Towelie said:

TBH, RHCP are a bit of a nostalgia act these days. Most recent setlists are made up of 3 new album tracks and then the rest is Californication, Give It Away, Under The Bridge, Dani California, By The Way.... eg, the hits.

I think its safe to say any band operating for over 30 years has a nostalgia factor. They become multi generational.

I really like the sound of the new RHCP music, Frusciante was irreplaceable & I'm with you was very weak. I thought they were done.

6 hours ago, Lies They Tell said:

Factually incorrect.

Right 

Critically acclaimed, packed full of great singles & regular rotation on Mtv & radio?

No? Oh, that's right, it was largely laughed at & quickly forgotten because it was incomprehensibly shit.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_music_considered_the_worst

As I said, Its boards like this where you are most likely to find people who like it.

At what point did it become a requirement that a band or artiest needed to change their sound, style or direction to prove their creative abilities or worth? 

Axl's efforts served to tarnish Guns near perfect artistic output, pre breakup. Guns is currently trading of a body of work created over a 5 year period 25-30 years ago. The same body of work that Axl slowly turned the word off to with his joke shop line up. the stadiums are full & taking record takings because people want to relive a period of time 25-30 years a go in music, the very definition of nostalgia. The same as adults paying huge money for original toys from their youth. Its why I payed for VIP tickets next year. I'm a GnR fan way before a Metallica fan.

Metallica had a 17 year period of putting out good music. I'm including S&M in that body of work. Post 2000 they put out two shit albums but they are active.

Kirk isn't bagging out GnR, he is making an accurate observation.  

7 hours ago, shjtjustgotreal said:

14 pages on kirk?

damn bruh  

The but hurt is strong in this thread. 

At least it livened a thread up, has been getting increasingly dull around here.