Good, Fuck'n, Night.

11 hours ago, wasted said:

I'd settle for moderately creative instead of falling back on what's been done before and what's best commercially. CD is worth a thousand rehashes. 

Nonsense, CD is rubbish given the resources that went into it. The only voices that claim otherwise are found on boards like this.  

Kirk is on the money, Metallica have been creative & productive through out their long & successful career, it is absolutely understandable that they have slowed down somewhat as they aged & had family's.  

To call them a nostalgia act because they have & play a strong back catalogue looks like sour grapes, are RHCP's & Pearl Jam nostalgia acts as well?

13 hours ago, wasted said:

Metallica have a new album out. But there last one was same year CD came out. So they have 3 new songs which are probably rehashes of what they did. So the last time they played something new was around St Anger. So they aren't a nostalgia act? 

However much Metallica develop they will never get to Shackler's, If the World, Prostitute of new songs. They've never done anything new that they kept in their set list. 

Metallica are doing nostalgia albums and GNR keep evolving at their own pace but have never rehashed the past yet on an album. 

My god there are some loons on this board.

6 hours ago, Modano09 said:

But he couldn't handle opening for Loaded, so, it's not misinformation. 

Yes it is, opening for loaded, or his lack of ability to "handle it" is nothing more than spin from a self confessed hater. He was a active addict acting like an addict. nothing more, nothing less. He was already off the rails.

1 hour ago, cheesecake said:

To those who constantly bring up the issue of Steven relapsing and falling off the wagon again and again and again, referencing the incident from 3 years ago, has anyone heard him doing just that -- going off to the nearest bar and killing himself there and then -- right after a big show THIS YEAR? 

 

To date, he has proven himself to be pretty reliable and on the surface portrays a very positive take in life. 

 

Modano, what's your beef with Adler? He owes you money or something? You seem to have so much hatred towards him and keep repeating the same ole same ole ad nauseam. I respected your difference of opinion when you first stated it months ago, but come on....it's been the same posts over and over for months attacking Adler.

Put it to rest already.

 Hes a Bot or Frank's Mum.

1 hour ago, Modano09 said:

I think that's exactly it. The guy couldn't handle opening for Loaded, it'd be a huge risk to put their multi-million dollar, GNR comeback/redemption tour in his hands. 

 

Stop spreading misinformation with "The guy couldn't handle opening for Loaded" bullshit. He was a practising alcoholic / drug addict, he would have acted like a peanut whatever he was doing. 

The biggest challenge for Steven to maintain continued sobriety is to find some emotional balance within himself regardless of his external circumstances. The highs & good times are just as tricky to navigate in early sobriety (first 5 years) as the low spots. I hope the reunion is not the only driving force behind his sobriety because that will very likely end in tears.

5 hours ago, action said:

the man's a friggin vegan. he doesn't even eat pancakes anymore.

i happen to know a vegan myself. "nothing" is allowed, not even milk or eggs which rules out pretty much anything but vegetales and quorn. that's some serious dedication right there.

i don't know "what" motivates Steven, but if you have the will to be a vegan, you can do anything.

Unfortunately for Steven Cocaine & Heroin are 100% vegan. 

2 hours ago, Fitha_whiskey said:

Axl is traveling with the band. I haven't seen any statements of apology for any of the ridiculous and downright hateful shit people had to say the other day. Not that I expect any.

 sorry Axl 

9 hours ago, Modano09 said:

Addicts don't get everything they lost back when they string together some sobriety. 

They often recreate amazing lives if  they can stay sober. I have seen it many times in the 9 years I have been sober. Start throwing some positive vibes out into the world instead of negative & the universe has a habit of throwing some good shit back your way.

You sound like a total arsehole dude. 

27 minutes ago, downzy said:

According to the band's management, Axl was traveling with the rest of the band on that plane.  

I would be very happy to be proven wrong. 

1 minute ago, Jane M. said:

Of course not. Why would he share the same airspace with those peasants?

The more things change, the more they stay the same?

11 hours ago, Tadsy said:

The Bring guns to oz facebook page had a fair few photos of the guys exiting the plane in Peru if anyone is interested in having a look.

Saw that, no sign of Axl? He not travelling with the plebs?

1 hour ago, BorderlineCrazy said:

Izzy looks clueless on stage? Well, of course! He joins """""Guns N' Roses""""" to be the 4th guitar player and has to play his own songs the WRONG way, is it supposed to look natural?

I don't see Izzy looking clueless in any of these videos. 

 

 

55 minutes ago, Darkenchantress said:

And to think that this could have been Velvet Revolver, sigh... Also, Izzy with a V! Awesome! 

There are some absolute tools on this page on the wind up. 

Regardless of how Izzy looks on stage for guest spots, admittedly some performances are better than others, If you are looking to these guest performances as a indication of the limit Izzys chops & performance ability you really do have your head stuck firmly up your arse. 

Given the opportunity & time to rehearse & gel with the band over a reasonable period of time & Izzy would kill it. 

The perfect illustration of that is the early GnR shows in April sounded rusty as, GnR sounded like a totally different beast two months later in Detroit they were tight as fuck. 

16 minutes ago, Rovim said:

Its not about what we need. The ys Reason for the delays is axl's personality and the meaning each guns album to him. He works on and off for years on new songs that become old before they are released. Its just the kind of musician he is. Talented but insecure and the Quality standard for the next guns album could mean it will take years until axl thinks its good enough and reflects the current band and all kinds of shit.

That is not creativity, it is fear driven perfectionism & it will prevent Axl ever releasing another good song.

It would be interesting to hear what they could come up with if they were put in the following situation.

Axl slash & duff & izzy are given 6 months to jam & collaborate on NEW  music or old ideas that were around before izzy departed. then they had three months to lay tracks & mix an album. The 6 months starts at the end of the NITLT tour & the 3 are thinking about music individually or collectively on the road. Izzy joins for shits & giggles after the tour.

Just jam out some new music, do not set out to create the greatest album ever. 

5 hours ago, ludurigan said:

oh, thanks for saying that Izzy probably helped writing Jungle and Rocket Queen.

thats likely the case 

if i were you i'd do myself a favor and stop embarrassing myself by spreading misinformation on the internet.

id refrain myself from saying stuff like "izzy didnt help write Jungle and Rocket Queen" because thats probably CRAP misinformation

oh, and just for the record, only a fool would say that Izzy was the only creative force in the band. Guns n Roses is (was) the classic case where the group is greater than the sum of its parts

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oh, and Jungle and Rocket Queen would be equally as good with Gilby or Fortus?

to say such a thing is laughable at best -- it shows how little you understand about what makes (made) Guns n Roses the best rock band ever

I was suggesting the same to him a few pages back, but no, I was misunderstanding him. LOL 

33 minutes ago, youngswedishvinyl said:

I am not saying Izzy wasn't important for GN'R, he was. He wrote many of my favourite GN'R songs and the first JuJu Hounds album is great!

What I however am saying is that WTTJ and RQ would have been great songs without Izzy's input.

And why did you bring up NuGN'R? I was clearly talking about the fact that Axl, Slash and Duff can write good songs together without Izzy in the equation, last time I checked neither Slash or Duff was part of NuGN'R.

You referenced nuguns members in your post as bring capable of helping create original GnR tunes had they been around then. 

Or I misunderstood your post. 

1 hour ago, youngswedishvinyl said:

Yes! 

As I said before of course he played on the song, he probably wrote his own solo as well as decided how he should play the rhythm parts but he didn't write the song.

Not to the degree of earning a songwriting credit anyway, just like Slash helped writing November Rain but didn't get a credit.

I'm pretty sure that Welcome To The Jungle and Rocket Queen would be as good as they are now even if Gilby, Fortus or Robin Fink would've been in GN'R instead of Izzy at the time.

Really?

So why couldn't nu-guns create a good song?

Of course Izzy isn't responsible for everything produced by GnR, But GnR would have not been the same with out him.

Show me some examples of Individual efforts by the musicians you stated, the internet is full of quality music by Izzy, But Axl & co cant produce squat in 25 years. 

VR should have kept Izzy as the singer, I understand his reasoning behind wanting it as well. In one of the interviews on here Izzy says "Who are you going to get after Axl" when questioned about his decision to sing. He knows there is no replacing that. 14 years is a fine example of what VR could have produced with Izzy as the singer. 

6 hours ago, Edward Nigma said:

Must have shifted a few new units since the reunion n rejuvated interest in guns brand n the progression of styles explored maybe fans n admirers of CD sound might demand the next release with say a Slash/Bucket dueling guitars ala Izzy/Slash/Duff on YCBM type solo on say The General? One can dream...

 

Yea, Nah. CD is still shit, the reunion hasn't changed that. Renewed interest is entirely focused on axl slash & duff playing the old songs again. People are interested in Guns n Roses, not Axls blight of an album. 

GOE is a fucking solid song, plenty of bands out there that wish they could write a song like that. 

4 hours ago, RONIN said:

Exactly. Illusions contains some of Axl's all-time best work from Dead Horse to Don't Damn Me. Those albums are a creative peak for not only him, but the entire band.

With the good ofcourse, comes the bad. Axl's insistence of adding layers upon layers of synth crap into the songs just changed the feel of those songs. It made them sound more polished, which is good in the sense that it makes the albums seem like a more mature effort -- with that said, Axl went too far...there is so much overproduction that it makes the songs lose a lot of their edge/vitality. 

The drumming and just the sound of the album from a mixing pov is so crap compared to albums of that era like Nevermind, Ten, Black Album, etc. Another instantly dated album from that era from a big act was "Dangerous" from Michael Jackson -- amazing album, but the same problems: tinny overproduced sound with unnecessary "effects". In retrospect it makes sense how rawer albums from the more contemporary rock bands made UYI seem out of touch.

I still love UYI though. UYI 2 tracks like Locomotive and Pretty Tied Up were so promising for the future of the band. It's only in retrospect from the Slash interviews that we know that those songs were just one-off's -- Slash didn't want these types of songs on the '96 follow-up album. I suppose neither did Izzy.

Ten is a great album, it is PJs AFD in terms of consistently good music. Nirvana I can't really comment, I took a strong disliking to SLTS, that tainted their music for me for quite some time. While these albums may have been better produced & mixed than illusions, they still have a sound that is dated to a specific era in music. I understand that GnR don't have the catalog to truly match the doors & zeppelin, but that is where I personly categorise their music. Illusions could have been better but they are still perfect in their imperfection. To me guns captured timeless rock. Oh what could have been 

Stop quoting the tool. Obvious hooray for tolerance! is obvious. He is best ignored. 

Anyone know if its available in Australia? 

1 hour ago, AxlsFavoriteRose said:

besides the schock value of WTTJ i would not be impresessed again by GNR until November Rain. BUT in retrospect it was Nightrain that pushed me to obsession, i heard that song and never looked back 

 

Fucking love that, 

Who cares what he has to say, we know he supports the reunion. He has given multiple interviews about this & has attended shows. This is just rinse & repeat. He seems like a great bloke, at the very least he is smart enough to maintain relations just in case the gravy train comes back through town. The same certainly can not be said for one other lol.

2 hours ago, Fitha_whiskey said:

I don't follow the logic that it would have been better to take the best tunes & condense it into one album. Yes, maybe it would have made it more classic to the critics, but to me the so called filler tracks are what makes the albums so perfect. It's GnR insanity & creativity at it's finest.

And fuck the Nirvana horseshit. Maybe if they released Nevermind and In Utero on the same day there could be a discussion... 

Fucking Amen, Kurt became the Justin Bieber of grunge, I disliked them straight up out of principle, fucking everyone loved Nirvana. 

1 hour ago, WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself said:

For me, if we make one album with the best songs of each UYI and throw out their weakest songs, it would be greater than Appetite.

1. Dust N' Bones
2. Don't Cry
3. Double Talkin Jive
4. November Rain
5. Don't Damn Me
6. Dead Horse
7. Coma
8. Civil War
9. 14 Years
10. Knockin' on Heaven's Door
11. Locomotive
12. Estranged
13. You Could Be Mine

(in any order)

runners-up: Pretty Tied Up, So Fine, Yesterdays, ...

Beats AFD hands down for me.

1. Pretty tied up
2. Don't Cry
3. Yesterdays
4. November Rain
5. Breakdown
6. Perfect crime
7. Coma
8. Civil War
9. 14 Years
10. Knockin' on Heaven's Door
11. Get in the ring (edited as to not ruin a great song version) 
12. Estranged
13. You Could Be Mine
14. The garden

Not in that order, but that would be my Album. Still too long & in-cohesive to come close to Appetite. But that's an epic album