The Holographic Universe

10 hours ago, gt72 said:

Went to two shows on that tour and as a previous poster said Metallica going on first kind of took the wind out the sails in terms of energy in the Guns set.Both played good sets and they were fun shows but Metallica is an extremely difficult act to follow.First time I seen them they opened for Ozzy and it was a hour set and energy was incredible when Ozzy came on it wasn’t quite the same as well.Couple that with Metallica played a full set and a very lengthy intermission between the 2 sets (Guns stage set was huge ) and Guns really didn’t have a chance to stack up with Metallica in terms of energy,fan enthusiasm 

I’d love to see these two bands tour one last time. 

11 minutes ago, amaninjapan said:

Oh that reminds me, I got this as a gift from a friend. If this isn't enough motivation to frame up the Troubadour lithograph then I don't know what is

Well, whenever you want to put down the Samurai sword and make those frames I’m waiting. 

32 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

My lithos have been in Target frames so I bet they would be a bit curvy if I ever took them out 

You were at the first show. What was your thoughts on seeing the litho? Did you purchase before or after the show? What’s the story?

15 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said:

Guilty as charged, but I discussed the idea on Facebook before committing. I just didn’t want to wait for as it climbed in small increments. Seeing it sit for 543$ was silly. 

11 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

My lithos have been in Target frames so I bet they would be a bit curvy if I ever took them out 

So you recall the moment for you when the lithos became a thing? I ask since it’s your thread. I recall begging a friend stationed in Japan to drive to Tokyo for me. That litho ended up being two colors with a total print run of 1500 combined. So it never had a chance for value. 

59 minutes ago, megaguns1982 said:

The one that got ruined was a Brisbane black surfer. Nothing special.

mine thought I’ve had was that the Kobe may not have sold at all.
I know it’s diabolical but anyone can throw a litho on eBay and have some mates bid on it.... I know for a fact that there were several fake bidders on that Kobe.  

Guilty as charged, but I discussed the idea on Facebook before committing. I just didn’t want to wait for as it climbed in small increments. Seeing it sit for 543$ was silly. I would have came in my pants to win that auction at 3k. Fuck, I was giddy just to bid on it. 2 years ago 3k would be unheard of and now it won’t get you a whiff of Kobe.

21 minutes ago, megaguns1982 said:

Can I ask how many of the Kobe’s are actually accounted for? 
It’s  hilarious to me how many dudes probably slapped it up on the wall in their garage with pins or got damaged because they just treated it like a gig poster.

One of my doubles got fucked up because I had it in the spare room at my moms house where it should have been safe and her dog jumped all over it.

I’ve often wondered how many Kobe lithos are accounted for as well. As for somebody “slapping a Kobe litho up in their garage with pins” is a absurdly hilarious suggestion. I doubt any litho was purchased and treated as just as a normal poster. Are you saying you had a double of a Kobe litho? Your post lacked specifics. 

17 hours ago, uzi your illusion said:

Not holding you to anything but percentage wise how big of an issue is that dent. Do you think that is worth 10% less than a mint poster or are we being too generous with that?

If you cant wager a guess as to what it does to the value then god help the rest of us. 

I would say 10% minimum, but that assessment doesn’t give you much information because there is no set value or known value. And, I don’t know if the eBay auction is a good indication of the lithos value. 

16 hours ago, amaninjapan said:

Oooooh that's too hard to call. I have a rough idea of how much less a damaged litho might go for compared to a mint one... but the real question people are probably asking themselves is, how much might this particular Kobe go for if the dude does in fact auction it off.

If it sells for $1k on Ebay, does that mean that a tiny dent is worth $8k? Or would it be because the buyer of the first auction isn't competing in the second auction? Or are all the high rollers located in Belarus and the country's government accidentally turned on the censorship firewall at the wrong time and blocked their ability to bid? Maybe GNR releases a new album with a super deluxe meet & greet package for a few thousand bucks between now and the end of the auction and everybody blows their wad on that instead? What if the seller only offers shipping to the US (which is a restriction that happens a LOT more than people who live in the US might think) and reduces the size of the potential buyer market?

The value clearly lies in the scarcity. But if that original auction might start drawing other potential sellers to let go of their Kobe and the market gets (comparatively) flooded, you might see some genuine buyers start to get picky. Beggars can't be choosers as they say but once you don't have to beg, then you get to choose, and if I'm going to be spending thousands, I'm gonna want to choose one in as best condition as possible. That said... don't look a gift horse in the mouth, right? How many chances does one expect to get to own one? With items this scarce, sometimes it's worthwhile to act like it could very well be your last chance to ever own one. No one will ever know which Kobe is the last one ever to be offered for sale in the history of the world until it's too late.

I'll hazard a guess in private as to what it might go for but I won't do it publicly

Regardless, if there's a lesson to be learned it is this - Take care of your lithos!

Are you concerned your estimate will affect a possible auction and price because your opinion is held in high regard in the litho community?

45 minutes ago, owenstar said:

With only 150 in the world...that ding doesn't mean shit to me. "Even the Mona Lisa is falling apart." I have never been a collector of anything to that extreme, infact I probably lean the other way and find beauty in the flaws.

Finding beauty in flaws is vastly different than condition issues. The 150 print run doesn’t matter. There are sports cards with 25 print runs and damaged corner affects value. And the Mona Lisa, come now, surely you jest with that comparison. 

7 minutes ago, Kylewhodat said:

Man you're right about that dinged corner

Not that bad I know but for this sorta money I think a serious buyer would want mint condition. The guy sounds like hes gonna sell it on Ebay but this damage is gonna cost him for sure

Yeah, with this particular litho, gem mint is a must to command a premium price. And you have to think resale value too. What if one day you’re hard up for cash and what to resale, but you purchased a damaged litho.

33 minutes ago, uzi your illusion said:

Do we think the guy on the facebook page would do better selling it on there rather than another ebay auction?

I think the two highest bidders(you being one) have been satiated in their quest for Kobe, so who ever else is left may not have the same desire to purchase at high prices. Plus, the seller has dinged corner on his Kobe. It’s a small condition issue, but to me it affects the value. When your exchanging high sums you should be getting gem mint. 

17 hours ago, troccoli said:

Very cool, good luck!

Too bad it’s a small. 

10 minutes ago, uzi your illusion said:

When I have it in my possession I will get a picture up here. Building suspense........

Lol. Well played sir. I’m just asking because a guy is attempting to sale his Kobe on the Litho Facebook page. Reading between the lines I assume you are no longer in the hunt. 

2 hours ago, uzi your illusion said:

 Another fantastic episode. Thanks for taking the effort and time to put these together.   If there were any 2nd thoughts at all on my end about a fairly large litho purchase that I recently made, this Podcast put me at complete ease. It's so great to hear the appreciation for these pieces.

What large purchase? Do tell. 

4 hours ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

GNR had to cancel the Dallas date and couldn't get another date for 2021 in the same venue. I do hope GNR gets a Dallas date in another venue. There are so many to choose from here. I would hate to not see GNR when it could possibly be the last US tour for a while.

Yeah, I feel the same way. I do have a date for KISS and Motley Crue, but who knows? If this virus isn't under control or there's no vaccine or cure, I don't think I will want to be in a stadium with thousands of people. We can't distance and wearing a mask with all of us screaming and singing, won't help at all.

I will wait and see. Hope I can get a refund if these concerts are cancelled.

I was bummed about the Dallas date as well. But, I think it was a ballpark tour. I can’t imagine why the ballpark in Arlington would be unavailable. I’ll head to Denver for a show. 

1 minute ago, DurhamGirl said:

If we have to wait until 2023 do you think they will still have a big enough audience espcially if there is no new music?

If audiences are forced to wait there could be a glut of bands wanting to tour and small demand. 

23 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

Idk about next sommer. Even with a vaccine it'll be a close call

I thought you were going to attend a show? 

I’m really hoping this tour hits the road. Is anyone on this forum skeptical?

2 hours ago, YouCouldBeMine_2029 said:

I could imaine GnR Grossing more than Metallica and Prince. U2 I'm not sure about. U2 Ticket Prices in 92/93 would've been Pink Floyd/Stones Levels.

It's Strange how There isn't a Figure for UYI Tour Gross. Iconic Band! Iconic Albums Iconic Tour...

Just about everything else is Documented about GnR online.

I clearly recall the article man. This was a Forbes article in 1994 for the highest grossing entertainers. GNR was number 4. Forbes is a legit as a source can be. It was a 1994 article. Early in 1994. I think it covered 1991-1993 because there was a breakdown of each year. But, it gives you an idea of how much GNR made from 91-93. 

36 minutes ago, YouCouldBeMine_2029 said:

Anyone know what The Black Album Tour Grossed? I think that would give one a good idea of what The UYI Tour Grossed. Give or take a few Million.

 

GNR made more money than Metallica or U2 during that time. Prince made a lot during that era as well. 

On 9/18/2020 at 6:08 AM, YouCouldBeMine_2029 said:

We've all seen the Amazing amount of Gross GnR did on ''Not In This Life Time'' Tour....$584 Million! (Without an Album)!!

Does Anyone know how much the Use Your Illusion Tour Grossed? 

It Must have been an Significant amount. They Played to well over 7 Million people I believe. UYI Albums and Merchandise Grossed around the World better than any Group at the time.

Strange it isn't listed Anywhere, to my knowledge.

 

Forbes in a ‘94 article listed GNR as the fourth highest grossing entertainers. 1. Bill Cosby 2. Oprah 3. Steven Speilburg. So they made some loot. More than any other tour or artist during that time. 

7 minutes ago, amaninjapan said:

If this is the way things are trending, I'm inclined to hold on to my Cleveland litho and count the sleeps until it's worth $9k.

Ha! So.....like maybe during the rapture? 

5 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

Holy fuck

9100$ It’s your fault for starting this thread many moons ago. 

6 minutes ago, uzi your illusion said:

Let's just say I was there at the end 

 

Fair enough. You know there is a guy on this forum, I’m sure you know him who has an extra Kobe. If you were there in the end.

5 minutes ago, uzi your illusion said:

Alright its over now 

Who was I bidding against at the end there? Was it someone here?

How high did you go?