The Holographic Universe

7 hours ago, ©GnrPersia said:

Dude be careful with your statements specially when discussing professional careers. managerial positions ( IN ANY FIELD! ) is not that formulated and as per book as written above.

Since you have provided a checklist, let me provide you with another one regarding MUST-HAVE qualities of a manager and give me one example that either Fernando or Beta are matching with any of the below points: 

1. They help develop artists' careers

2. They have a deep and detailed knowledge of an artist's portfolio 

3. They are well aware of the latest trends, technological advancements and marketing 

4. They must have broad network of connections within the industry

5. Work ethic and drive

6. Creative problem solving and fast decision making

7. They handle pressure well

8. They communicate honestly

9. They are open to new ideas

10. They are a role model

11. They are creative minded

-- 

Give me only ONE example and I'll shut up.

I don’t think it’s classified information that TB as an enterprise will never represent another band or artist. I have doubts that TB commands any type of respect within the industry. If Axl has no heirs or a wife, then I assume TB being his family will inherit his estate and some portion of GNR.

17 hours ago, Dean said:

If everything is postponed again, we can forget about having a new album before Axl turns 60.

How bizarre to read that line. A new album with Axl being 60. 

24 minutes ago, jamillos said:

Yep, waiting till they can play again. 

I don’t see how you can view it any other way. But, wow two years without concerts. 

8 hours ago, Sydney Fan said:

Yes it has been Live Nation for managing the tour. They even had one of theif staff on the tour with TB, since day1 managing things. I wouldnt blame them considering how much $$$$ they would have invested to make sure TB dont fuck it up.

That tour manager was Angie Warner.

Does everyone remember when Angie won an awsrd and how Fernando posted a shitstorm that she didnt deserve it because the tour was a "team effort".?.

 

 

 

I recall that episode. I have zero issues with TB, but he went super petty to be recognized in that moment. Like, come on dude, you and Del’s specialty is dealing with a talent as large as Axl, not managing a stadium tour. 

28 minutes ago, jamillos said:

Nah, it's about vaccines and all the stuff imo. 

It’s definitely about the status of the tour. 

1 hour ago, Chewy2 said:

Wow, I hadn't even noticed that he was wearing a wig when I skimmed through the video earlier today.  Now that you pointed it out it's glaringly obvious.  I wonder what happened to his hair in 3 years because I think it was 1998 that he had that mug shot & he looked perfectly normal there from what I remember.  So much mystery.

The mugshot was fake hair. It’s pretty obvious.

3 hours ago, uzi your illusion said:

This was the official start of me waiting for Axl to takeover the world again. And there were certainly glimpses of when I thought it could be a reality. This show, Rio '01, MSG '02, CD release in '08, 2006/2007/2010 tours, But it really wasnt until probably the end of 2010 when it dawned on me that even though I wanted to see him as the top rock star in the world, he never really gave a shit about whether or not the rest of the world saw him that way. He was just trying to get his music out there and juggle expectations that the bands legacy required as well as whatever he had going on personally through the years. And that will just have to be enough for you as a fan or else you will be severely disappointed.

Do you guys think there was a time [post 2000] where Axl really cared about being in the biggest band in the world again? 

Yes, he stated Finck could be his Randy Rhodes, so he was certainly was thinking about GNR being relevant. In the end, he just reunited with Slash/Duff and GNR became huge again. 

35 minutes ago, Original said:

I’d be curious of the reactions of Myles and Axl.   Myles probably listens and gives it a chance, Axl probably has to get TB “management’s” permission to even listen to.   Guessing they preview all emails / mail before Axl even sees.  That’s probably another reason it took so long for the reunion to even happen.    

The reunion occurred because the time was right and NuGuns couldn’t sale tickets in the US. Axl was 52 when he first started the idea of a reunion. He knew he wasn’t going to be able to retire and maintain his lifestyle without a reunion. He’s lucky Slash maintained such a prominent spot in pop culture thruout the years. All those things he used to say he hated about Slash were the very things that made the reunion appealing to audiences. 

On 11/1/2020 at 5:04 AM, DieselDaisy said:

Slash can make a folder of Guns stuff if he wants but it'll all end up in Rose's recycle bin. 

Unfortunately this is the reality. I don’t even know if Slash and Axl can write music together anymore. They seem to be two very different artists. There is a lot of what if’s in the GNR story, but had GNR not become global after one album then we would have got more albums. 

10 hours ago, StayofExecution2020 said:

Nobody does and nobody should. His own parents probably even don't like him

Lol. Really? Abandoned by his parents you say. He did get the music out.

2 hours ago, Live Like a Suicide said:

Fuck off, Rick Dunsford.

You don’t like the guy?

On 12/23/2020 at 7:24 AM, Homefuck said:

Did you read the comment section to the clip? Apparently:
"Their impact stretched far and wide during the lead-up to Violator’s release, and it was around that time that it settled into the psyches of hard-rock and metal bands. The first notable hard rocker to sing their praises was Axl Rose, who in 1989, reportedly attempted to curry the band’s favor by reciting the lyrics to their tender, hopeful love ballad “Somebody” to them at the 101 Hollywood premiere. Later that night, he brought them to the L.A. metal club the Cathouse but he soon lost their friendship. After the party, the Guns N’ Roses singer reportedly attended a Beverly Hills barbecue where he allegedly shot a pig. Depeche Mode then released a statement to the U.K. press that, as vegetarians, they were “appalled” with him and did not want to be associated with him." (source: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/are-depeche-mode-metals-biggest-secret-influence-56191/)

I always knew that they were a wild bunch, but to shoot a pig at a party? Fuckin' 'ell. I know that millions/billions of pigs are slaughtered every year, but the thought of Axl gunning down a pig at a party seems so extremely weird IMO. Crazy.

Super ducking weird. Why would a pig be at a Hollywood afterparty?

1 hour ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

053. December 2005 Slash email threatening photographer

What the hell does this mean? This was two months after Slash showed up at Axl's to reconcile. Something about Robert John? Did Axl hire a private investigator to stalk Slash?

Good catch.

On 2/20/2020 at 4:11 PM, t-p-d-a said:

I'm still wonder what happened between Abu Dhabi 2010 and Rock In Rio 2011

On 2/21/2020 at 3:04 AM, Dean said:

I think he changed his technique, I assume he burnt himself out by the end of the 2010 tour and maybe felt that he was at a standstill career wise - this is all assuming we take the hearsay as fact. The label supposedly rejecting a follow up album, DJ Ashba to be fired from the band and then the band to be dissolved and then the whole fiasco in Abu Dhabi which was supposedly going to lead to more firings. The chat back then was that he was going through the motions at the shows, I dunno if I agree with that, but the shows did seem like a routine. We were hoping for new music to be debuted at Rio 2011, but what we got was the opposite. More or less the sign of what was to come for the next 3 years until that era came to an end. 

I still prefer Axl's singing in 2016 though, especially the North America run, to the way he was chanting back in 2010. That may seem mental to some, but he had the right balance of rasp and clean, plus his clean voice had more power than it did from 2011/14.

I also hope that a new album will get his arse back in gear and he'll be wanting to fire on all cylinders to promote fuck out of it with some sensational chanting. 

What happen I’m Abu Dhabi?

On 12/15/2020 at 8:14 PM, Gordon Comstock said:

Yea there was a pretty obvious shift away from the "chainsaw rasp" by the end of the UYI tour. His voice definitely sounded "thinner" on the Skin N' Bones leg. Dead Flowers (1994) and Anxious Disease (1996) he's already kinda introducing the higher CD-style voice... I think even if a UYI follow-up was released in the mid-late '90s, he still would've adopted that cleaner style.

That clean style of voice almost ruined CD.

On 12/14/2020 at 8:57 PM, lame ass security said:

And when he does it's without fail hilarious.

Lol. Very true. Without fail. He said some weird shit to his photographer Robert John. Robert was photographing Marlyn Manson and Axl told him Manson didn’t like Roberts work, and only wanted to suck Axl energies thru Robert. I always thought it was untrue until the “dark lord” story. It’s awesome to know a drummer, a particular unknown drummer, had the power to prevent Axl from bringing light into the world. No wonder he hated Slash assumed his ultimate form and blocked out Axl’s light from the world. I can’t believe the world made it from ‘94-‘01 without Axl’s light. 

5 hours ago, Beto 22 said:

Matt said in his book he talked there were "talks" about a reunion... 3 months later there was the announcement... If you think Slash was talkin' with Axl since March... It's hard to believe they haven't figured out possible line up changes and or demands...

But I do agree with you Slash and Duff don't have a lot of input on the line up

I think Slash and Duff had plenty of input. It appears some offer was made to Izzy. I imagine that all 3 discussed Izzy’s involvement. And, maybe Steven was considered. I still can’t make out what his planned involvement might have been. After those two failed to rejoin it was obvious Axl would stay with people he was comfortable playing with and with whom he has little negative history. 

2 hours ago, jamillos said:

He did Sympathy in 94, they did sessions in 95/96 (although we don't know to what degree Axl was involved), and he did OMG in 99, plus the studio work on CD started that year. So if we disregard SftD and the Zakk/Slash sessions, his pause was during 94-98. Still, he may have been doing some studio work. Of course, it's different than doing 3 live gigs a week. 

He sounded awesome on Sympathy (I'm omitting Live Era, as I consider it unreliable in terms of evaluation of his voice; what with all the mixing and editing etc.), yet he was a very different guy in 2001 - both visually and vocally. My theory, which I've said here a few times, is that something regarding health happened to him around 99. And it took him years to recover (2006). Cause that 2001-2003 dude looked and sounded like his own distant cousin from a different country. 

God knows how he sounded in those "wilderness" years; maybe we'll get to hear something from that era some day. 

Bono experienced a serious health concern and almost lost his voice. Axl’s health affecting his voice is a stretch. 

9 minutes ago, Live Like a Suicide said:

He mentioned Greg being approached as 'the first drummer' and Izzy writing 'great songs' for the band. It sounds like he meant the band was created as a product based on marketing and business ideas, which i think is bullshit, at least if we're talking on behalf of the label.

Is it possible that Axl had marketing ideas about the early band, particularly with using the name "Guns N' Roses" after merging with LA Guns? Sure, i think that's believable. Is it possible that Axl was interested in selectively scouting particular people according to qualities like looks and ability after Tracii Guns and others left? Sure, but we know the period between then and the entrance of Slash etc was very small, and that was years before the band was signed by any record label.

Guns itself wasn't signed until after March 1986, and by that time, we all know they were well and truly established. Interestingly, the GN'R Wikipedia page even says: 

They had turned down an offer from Chrysalis Records that was nearly double Geffen's, due to Chrysalis wanting to change the band's image and sound and Geffen offering full artistic freedom

I think it's safe to say the argument that Guns was a product band is bullshit.

Axl was the only member who had vision for the band. 

8 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

Oh right, forgot about that story.

Yeah probably, so it wouldn't have mattered.

I mean Slash and Duff did things that were just as bad as Matt, they just didn't write about all of it in their books.

It’s Matt’s lack of self awareness, not his actions that is tasteless. I love his contributions, but he is obnoxious. 

“Dark lord”. What a laugh. Axl really takes himself seriously sometimes.

On 12/12/2020 at 4:50 PM, Tourettes2400 said:

I like him as a drummer, but after reading that book, and seeing what a douchebag he is, I would not think Axl would ever even consider having him back.

I agree. Reading his book gave me an unpleasant insight into Matt. I couldn’t imagine any of those guys wanting him back in a band. 

9 hours ago, YOUCOULDBEMINE. said:

What, did the 2003 Limewire leaks turn up again? 

Edit: Really want to hear Cats in the Cradle and Every Rose Has It's Thorn again. Cockroach Soup was also a banger.

Lol. I clearly recall waiting for those songs and getting duped. 

1 hour ago, Birdman said:

I remember seeing an interview with Slash where he said there’s some good shit on the UYI albums but would have preferred a more straightforward album with about 10 tracks on it.

He talked some trash about the piano driven tracks at the time of the album release. Axl is responsible for the expansive sonic feel of the band. On his own Slash would have never recorded an Estranged. 

It’s just a fun debate because it was GNR’s last album. Nobody does this with the Physical Graffiti or Load/Reload.