The Holographic Universe

2 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

One meal, means that they only had one sound / style. I completely disagree, especially when you look at GNR up to CD. Even Appetite has a couple of variations of 'meal' SCOM is pure chill classic rock Creedence, Lynyrd Skynyrd. Out ta get me is pure early AC/DC. Then you have songs like Estranged, The Garden, November rain... then you have songs like Shacklers revenge, If The world, prostitute... It's a comment from a guy that really doesn't know the band that well (beyond the singles).

If you judged Tool based on the their singles, or even some of their albums on the surface, you could easily say they are a one meal band. I won't go as far as to say GNR are as artistic as Tool, but they aren't that far apart - biggest difference is Tool do eventually release material. I also know that I can listen to GNR any day of the week, whereas with Tool it's entirely down to my mood, kinda like the more spaced out Pink Floyd.

The Pink Floyd comparison is excellent. I have to be in a rare mood to listen to Floyd. Ie. joy Floyd, but I can’t just rock Floyd any given day. 

12 minutes ago, WhazUp said:

Although to be fair is that much odder than a high pitched singer wearing hot pants and mesh? 

I knew I was opening myself up to that comment. Axl had a way of pulling off looks and clothes nobody could pull off. I always loved Axl’s UYI tour clothes. Some of his clothes now are cool, but kinda odd for a 60 year old guy. I don’t know why he was rocking all those suits in 2006 just to return to shirts and leathers jackets with flannel tied around his waist.

10 hours ago, soon said:

My hot take on Tool is that they have taken a style of music to its most sophisticated and advanced degree and for that they are rightly celebrated. The issue for me is that I personally experience that style to be a bit childish. I mean no offense. Just for me dropped d riffs, brooding personas, using uncommon words to be mysterious, magic and associated imagery is a bit 'high school.' Again, I mean no offense - I would call Appetite childish as well and I love it and I love Guns.

Another example would be that Star Wars, at its core, is for kids. And I love Star Wars. And I love the adult fandom of Star Wars. And someone I know is really good at D&D and its like 'good for you, mastering that childhood love. And bringing adulthood to your fandom.'

Just for me, Tool isnt one of those childhood things that I can carry with me into adulthood. Id even sell those toys.

Love this Post.

On 10/25/2020 at 5:30 AM, JimiRose said:

Tool are great live but i totally get people who wouldn't enjoy it. It's an immersive experience with the screen displays matching the music. Maynard stands behind the drum kit and the band do not interact with the audience or each other at all. It's one of those, if you don't like the music, you're gonna hate the live show. I took a mate to see kiss live having only ever heard one song and not being a fan at all. he said it was the greatest show he'd ever seen and he didn't know a song. If you go to a tool song without knowing a song, you'll struggle 

Tool is a weird live experience. I’ve had friends who just love Tool, and I’ve seen Tool live 3 times, but it never engaged me. And Maynard would sometimes dress up as woman, which didn’t feel like art to me.

1 minute ago, pugachev said:

Beautiful, as always. I hate to sound like a broken record, but I really wish Slash would just quit GNR and focus on his solo work. The man is a brilliant guitarist and I don't want him spending the remaining good years he has left wasting away with Axl, no offense to him. I want more Conspirators stuff, I want a third Snakepit album! Fat chance, I know. But, hell, probably have a better chance of that than another Guns album. I just want more stuff from Slash.

It will be a shame if Slash doesn’t get to make another album with GNR. Between the VR albums and his solo album GNR could have at least made two more classic albums from that material. But maybe Axl and Slash are just too far part musically to create new music. Sometimes I think the band only had four album in them musically. The classic band only wrote songs from ‘85-‘90. 

12 hours ago, Sydney Fan said:

The chemistry within SMKC is more real and obvious than seeing slash go through the motions with GNR.

I think the chemistry between the big 3 is apparent. It’s still palpable to me. Slash has made albums and spent a lot of time with SMKC. And, Slash had to come in and find chemistry with Frank, which sounds like it was a challenge. Slash shines in GNR. In SMKC he is definitely the draw, but it feels different. I’m certain Slash has a stronger connection to GNR material. 

1 hour ago, janrichmond said:

I don't even consider them a real band anymore. I love their old stuff but i rarely play it, there's not a lot to choose from after all. 

I had already decided after 2017 that i won't bother seeing them anymore. Axl sounds awful and there's no chemistry with the band. 

I'll stick to watching pre '94 shows and SMKC 

I consider them a real band, but in actuality It hasn’t been a real band since ‘89 or ‘90, and that goes for any line up. It’s always Axl and the other guys. It’s different now because Axl is dependent on Slash and Duff to maintain his lifestyle and relevance.

55 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

There has never been a band that I was more passionate about. Probably because of my age when they hit it big.  I think I was 13 when they started to break and I rode the wave all the way through highschool and adulthood.  I followed every move the members made in their solo careers... especially Slash.. I followed Axl until 2001/2002 then he just turned me off..  Still there was nothing I wasn't more in rock than a reunion.. I literally had dreams about it...

Now I have reached a point where I have never been so uninterested. I almost wish the reunion didn't happen, It all could have and should have been so much better.  It was all ten years too late. This lineup just isn't that great live.. Axl is a shell of his former self. I couldn't care lesss about anyone on stage except Slash, Duff and Axl to some extent.. I have to ignore the others because they they either suck , are annoying or both. I used to be obsessed with this forum.. Now I look at the threads and am just like "who cares?".  I still check every couple of days hoping to find something good. But what would that be?  I don't even care if they release a song at this point and don't have any faith an album from this lineup would be any good..  The Youtube selects just show how bad they really are and were another effortless letdown.

I did have a blast at the shows I attended this tour flaws and all.  It was also cool to get re-mastered versions of some demos on Locked and Loaded but even that set wasn't that great... But that is about it. I have come to a point where I wouldn't mind if they just called it a day...

 

 

One more tour and call it quits for me as well. I just don’t think GNR/Axl translate to playing in your 60’s.

31 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

Call in Buckethead and/or Robin.

For real. Infer he wasted their talent. There was great material. 

On 10/10/2020 at 11:16 PM, Free Bird said:

Like they didn't know that the fan base, even the average fan, wants new music.

With GNR it's not about what the fans want. It's either about Axl's willingness to release something or his ability to finish something he's working on.

Maybe he just does not believe in the material or the new ideas aren’t any good. I mean if Slash is bringing generic shit to him what do you want Axl to do?

17 hours ago, allwaystired said:

Good grief. Damn straight Slash doesn't always calls the shots...otherwise he'd have pointed out the error like he did with Live Era! 

I honestly never thought I'd see people defend obviously glaring errors as intentional! 

There is not one reason, whatsoever, to print a backwards image of the band. It makes everyone involved look stupid and the product look crap. 

Next up: the sound problems on the Chinese vinyl were put there intentionally and Live Era images were also deliberately put the wrong way round. Then corrected deliberately. Even though they were meant to be the wrong way round. 

We're absolutely in the Twilight Zone if errors in album sleeves are being defended as intentional! 

 

And the odd fact that the live era cover is from poster made in ‘85 and ‘86, but the album is labeled 87-93. It’s a shitty cover. 

6 hours ago, YouCouldBeMine_2029 said:

That is the only North American Stadium solo date I've Noticed too. I Guess it would have been the Largest Attendence for GnR in North America on the UYI Tour.

I wonder why they never played more Stadium Solo Dates in North America? We all know They Could Have. The previous year Depeche Mode were Doing Stadiums Solo in North America.

I might be wrong, but I believe Alan Niven once said in Magazine/Radio Interview that GnR could have Done a Multi Stadium Tour in 1989 if they Wanted too.

It Is Funny because GnR were selling out Stadiums Everywhere Else in the World.

I know It's all in the past now. It's just a Curious Observation of GnRs Amazing Story.

 

It’s always been a challenge for any band to sale out stadium gigs in the US. The single solo show was probably because it was a NYE show. I know U2 played stadium in the US during the early 90’s. I don’t think GNR could sale stadium gigs in 1991 or 1993. Imagine the demand for Metallica/GNR tour today. 

On 10/8/2020 at 7:09 PM, YouCouldBeMine_2029 said:

Apart from Festivals(Rio) and Co Touring(Metallica).

I'm not 100% sure but I believe American Figures Peaked in 1992 and Declined through out 1993 in North America.

Is there anyway of getting Attendance Figures of the Use Your Illusion Tour Online??

I think they played Joe Robbie Stadium in Miami on NYE in 1991. That would be a stadium date. 

8 hours ago, ©GnrPersia said:

To be fair, I prefer to listen to a new cover than the same old shit.

Since Axl has gone full retard and can't deliver anything new then let them be more new covers.

Full retard. Lol.

2 hours ago, allwaystired said:

I think the three you mention are way ahead in terms of drawing power as they've built things up over the years. Without anything new, GNR will slide pretty quick I think, after the boost that was the novelty of NITL. The box has been ticked for most people now. Lady Gaga did a Vegas residency not so long back, so I think they could do something similar. Bit bigger venue than Appetite For Democracy. 

I'm not that bothered at all at how Axl looks, but I totally agree with the rest of it. If there is an album then a go around the world to support it then call it a day. Their songs and style aren't going to look great performed by men in their 60s and 70s, for sure. 

No, not at all. I love the band, but the idea of a 65 year old Axl performing on stage doesn’t sound like a solid idea for many reasons. It would also be a shame if the original band doesn’t unite for a song or two on the future. I really don’t understand Izzy. I don’t think even equal distribution of the profits would sway him. He just doesn’t seem to care about the legacy of the band.

18 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

I'd take that bet. At some point in the next, say, 5-10 years they will absolutely be doing a Vegas residency again. 

What makes you think they won't? Many others have.....

I just can’t see U2, Metallica or RHCP doing one. GNR have returned to that level. How would you go from playing stadiums to another residency? I don’t want GNR to keep touring if Axl doesn’t address his appearance. I know some people here don’t mind, but his weird as hair cut and huge gut are a turn off for me. If the band releases one more album than I’d be happy with one more tour to play the songs and circle the world one last time, but other wise I’d like to see GNR hang it up before Axl becomes 60. 

Just now, allwaystired said:

Wait until they return to Vegas residencies and you might well be able to! 

The band will not have to return to a residency. I personally had no problem with the residency, but at the same time it could be argued that it’s a career low point. Although, Vegas residencies have become much more credible in recent years. It’s not the kiss of death it once was. 

16 minutes ago, mikeman5150 said:

No need to feel sorry for me. Again, I like other music, just not enough to go see it live. Of the newer stuff I like, most of them just stand there and stare at their shoes, there’s no show. I’d much rather spend money on going to a sporting event or something that brings me some excitement.

I agree that there are scenes that have an audience, but there’s nothing that is mainstream anymore. I don’t believe there’s any new release that kids get pumped up for months in advance and then just have to have it. Music is so disposable because it’s so readily accessible. 

For the most part you’re correct, which is why I’ll see the older bands until they stop touring. I think Metallica could easily tour 1 or 2 more times and maintain a high standard of live performance. I don’t know about GNR, though. Axl looks progressively worse every tour cycle. As far as younger bands, people love 21 pilots. I don’t like their music, but it’s a solid arena touring band. 

16 minutes ago, Live Like a Suicide said:

Hardschool is a fine rocker though (much better than AC/DC's new single), and Slash and Duff seem to have reworked it into a classic GN'R style as well. I think it would work as a comeback single.

But it’s already been released. I think punching power of the song wouldn’t be as impactful. AcDc has the benefit of consistent engagement of its audience and the rock audience over many decades. GNR just don’t operate that way as a band. 

59 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Take opportunities, sure. But there's also a case for leaving a good memory. 

For instance, if Van Halen had done a tour when he was seriously ill, and it had been very bad, there's no sense in going just because it would be 'the last time'. 

I'm of the view that I try not to take things for granted, but also have no desire to repeat the past, with diminishing returns. 

Yeah, that’s a valid point. The band is still amazing though. Musically, I mean. Slash is a beast live and a lot of people feel he carries the show. I still think it’s a band effort. 

7 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Has he mentioned that? I've been banging on about the need for one of those for ages, so glad that's in consideration! I really hope it's not super-exclusive and prohibitively expensive though if it happens. It doesn't need to be. 

I feel like it would be crazy expensive. You’re talking over 150 lithos. That would be a huge book. It would be hard to make cheap. 

1 hour ago, jamillos said:

I was purely speaking about the alleged CD II that was supposed to happen some time later after CD. I don't really associate that thing with whatever the upcoming record will be. And yes, I absolutely don't doubt we'll see a new album from the reunited band, and I don't think it will be just revamped CD leftovers (aka CD II) either, or at least I hope not. 

People seem to love extremes. According to some, we're either getting new material regularly, or we're currently not getting anything, which must inevitably mean there's nothing available and nothing planned. I don't subsrcibe to this POV; I belive we're getting some stuff sooner or later, but unfortunately, we've been stuck with a troublesome combination of perfectionism, uneven distribution of power in the band, and terrible management - which also frustrates fans and makes one think they couldn't ever come up with the kind of promo AC/DC are doing right now (even though it's an easy thing to do). Again, we'll see what happens, and I still have hope they'll manage somehow when the time comes. Unlike others, I don't believe it's all Axl solely at the helm and the rest just sitting there quietly. Axl would be fucked without Slash, and Slash can make money (albeit less) without GNR. He's almost as powerful of an element in the current band as Axl IMO. 

 

Edit:

The trouble with these fuckers is that they never update us on their work, and they are old school, thinking keeping everything under the lid is cool. May have been back in 2002, but no, not any longer. And in combination with everything else, we’re in for a tough path. 

Excellent post. I enjoy when people discourse with logic and reason on this forum. A rarity. I agree with you the secrecy is outdated at this point. A little insight into the what’s happening would go a long way, but I still love GNR. And I’m hopeful for new music. Kick ass new music, too. 

25 minutes ago, jamillos said:

Yes but that'd be debatable whether just one song - HS or other - would change that. And maybe there wasn't as much material as we thought for the sequel to be as good as CD. Well, all speculations ofc. 

I believe you are one of the few here that anticipate one last album from GNR? I think that’s you. It’s always nice to see some optimism regarding new music.

1 hour ago, F*ck Fear said:

Sorry but that doesn't change the fact I won't see them live again unless Axl does something about his voice.

What if you knew for certain it would the last time these guys tour music live?