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Just now, Gavin82 said:

Duno we all brought GC tixs you may get in FOS afer you lined up for like 6 days prior its just crazy people getting numbers like a week before..!!!!!! #HARDCOREFANS

I thought it was one of his policies that he didn't sell golden circle tickets? I've never seen it done at one of his shows! 

Just now, Gavin82 said:

 

Yeah i know what you mean seen a few GC just like half the floor when The Boss did Ullevi last year the GC was a proper GC small section in FOS thats how its done..!!! 

Also - it's first come first served at a Springsteen show. You don't pay extra for the Golden Circle. 

11 minutes ago, AxlIsGod. said:

Yeah I assumed that. Both Copen and Prague last summer had pretty big GC areas, think I paid about £75 for GC at Prague.

In terms of multiple shows, I tend to turn it into a holiday esp when its in the summer months. Even so, I can only manage two or three not the 7 or 8 some people mange to go to! Probably got a lot more money at hand 

Prague was about £150 last year for GC (maybe a bit under, depending on conversion rate) I think. If memory serves me right! (Edit: just looked back at previous threads and it was - perhaps you got a discounted one?). 

I dunno, these prices leave me cold. difficult to justify them on a second run of Europe. Really feeds the 'all about making as much money as possible" crowd....

1 hour ago, AxlIsGod. said:

What was with the arena prices this fall? Just got GC for France for about £85 which is about £50 cheaper than London last year and a damn sight cheaper than US dates?

For Bordeaux? Looking at what they've done, as a couple of places have done this tour, is to make the 'golden circle' pretty much half the standing area, hence offsetting a bit of the sky high GC price (i.e. spreading it around as there are a lot more people). 

Look at Berlin GC price for example, and that looks a real 'Golden Gircle' - but is an outrageous 160 euros BEFORE you pile on the fees! Prices off these tickets across the whole tour are insane. I find it incredible that people are doing a few shows- not to mention all the other stuf (travel etc) that goes with it. Fuck knows where they all get their money from! 

1 minute ago, RikardL said:

Golden circle for Ullevi is now booked!

How? The Nightrain link doesn't seem to be working yet? Just takes you through to 'general sale'? 

3 minutes ago, seely said:

Eugh, no solo UK dates. Really don't fancy seeing them at Download.

Equally, don't want to miss the chance to finally see TWAT or Prostitute played, given they now seem to be regulars.

 

Festival sets might not get that though- there's got to be some time time constraints on them, if they want to fit many others on the bill! 

4 minutes ago, jacdaniel said:

Based on the Poland rumour and the "We are just getting started" announcement... I would say Europe dates could be announced soon. 

Tours always start with rumoured dates 

There was all manner of bullshit flying around last year. A lot this year too I'd imagine. 

7 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

They believe this guy because he said who was headlining last years DL Paris and was right, then he told everyone GnR wouldn't be at festivals last year and they were playing stadiums instead. 

He also said ages before it was a rumour that Ozzy would be at DL this year, so that's why they think GnR are playing. 

That's all they have. 

He's wrong about that - just been announced as Marilyn Manson. 

Just now, CAFC Nick said:

Not quite in agreement with this. If anything they can have less bands playing before and just give them a longer headline set.

They played Download 2006 and the set wouldn't have been MUCH shorter.

To accommodate what they're doing at the moment they would need to go onstage at around 7/7.30. Possible, of course. 

The set would have to be seriously trimmed for any sort of festival. 

1 hour ago, LovelessNL said:

Everything is possible. But its not at all probable. These are the biggest in their genre; hardrock/metal. Thats why they are all in June, so its interesting for large acts to travel to Europe and be able to do a bunch of festivals in a row.

And sure, there are a lot of large festivals here, some of them are in July or even later; Roskilde, Rock Werchter, Glastonbury, Reading/Leeds. But out of those I think maybe Werchter and Reading would be a fit for the band. 
There's only so much festivals that are able (and willing) to pay the fee GnR desires. And with the whole circus surrounding GnR doing one or two festivals isnt really an option. So thats why IF they are doing festivals there's a 99% possibly they are on a few of those festivals I said earlier. And sure, maybe they'll extend into July and do Werchter and even Roskilde and something like Open'er. But its really REALLY unlikely that they would skip all the June festivals and come over for a few fests in July or August.

There's no Glastonbury next year, so that's definitely out. 

16 minutes ago, themadcaplaughs said:

Weezer remains one of my favorite bands, despite the slowly declining quality of their music from 2001-2010 (luckily the appear to be on an upswing now). They prove a lesson GN'R fans could take for granted: more music does not always mean good music. 

Knowing what I do about Cuomo, I would guess he was trying to make some kind of statement about the crowd being rude. At this point, he was super into being critical of crowds, and purposefully not playing pleasing set lists; thus, playing a lot of unreleased songs. At this point, the band's 1996 album Pinkerton, which had been a failure when it came out, had undergone a massive resurgence in popularity and critical evaluation, and Cuomo made a point out of only playing one or two songs a night from it (some nights he did not play any). For Weezer fans, it would be similar to if Guns N' Roses only played one song off Appetite for Destruction. 

Sorry to go off topic. Anyway, I remember some websites like Blabbermouth reporting that Axl apparently really liked the Weezer guys, and even talked about a side project with Rivers Cuomo. Both of them sort of play into that "mad genius" archetype. Either way, Axl thanks Weezer in the Chinese Democracy liner notes, so I do not think they burned any bridges. Also, their last music video for "Feels Like Summer" was a tribute to Guns N' Roses and the "Paradise City" music video. 

Mine too. Although their new stuff I seriously dislike. I've stuck with them through thick and thin, but at the moment.....I'm out! I've no idea what they're pissing about at. 

A lot of the set that night was made up of songs from the album they scrapped in favour of 'Green'. Do you know what happened to all those songs? Did they ever leak? 

34 minutes ago, themadcaplaughs said:

Ya, that was at the phase of Weezer's career where Cuomo would say provocative shit just to look cool. 

Certainly got that impression. He came across as being rude about GNR, which seemed odd seeing as they had agreed to support them for one night (although seeing as they never supported them again, perhaps there was more to it?) 

On 10/14/2017 at 7:13 PM, marinergtfc said:

Didn’t Weezer support them in London?

^^^

ha, quoted the wrong quote!

Yep. They were good- but went down pretty badly. Played a weird set, largely based on material that was unreleased, and is still unreleased! The singer said something along the lines of "out first gig was opening fir a Guns N Roses tribute band and we thought this would be a bit better....we're not sure" or something along those lines, that the crowd took to be a bit 'off'. I think he was joking but it was a stupid thing to say really! 

Both shows were surreal, in so many ways. 

1 minute ago, Gracii Guns said:

Apologies- I stand corrected.  

Oh no worries! I never hear that show in London mentioned actually. It seems to be totally forgotten about for some reason! 

If anyone's interested I can post some pics of the 'tour shirt' from those shows...with just two tour dates on the back! 

See above for the views on The Prodigy! Not a good time for them, by any means. I was at the barrier and the black guy in the band said to the other sing, off mike "oh shit, this isn't going very well is it?" I heard, and being a bit cocky shouted 'NO' at him. To his credit he laughed and said something along the lines of "don't worry we'll be off soon"! 

Axl seemed in good spirits in some ways, but there were a good few rants both nights. I think people were pretty confused by Buckethead and what was going on in general. 

...I think when you look at the crowd towards the end of Paradise City on that video you can really see how sparse it was! 

26 minutes ago, Gracii Guns said:

That scream in Live and Let Die was really something. 2002 was a very odd era for the band. If I remember rightly, there hadn't been any performances between 1994-2001, so GN'R were finding their feet, while Axl had become somewhat of a tabloid magnet for all the wrong reasons, and a complete joke in the rock world. But that very random show at Leeds Fest of all places was really important for the British fans, and proved what we believed in was worth it. I didn't discover GN'R until two years later, and was insanely jealous of my friend who was at the Leeds gig, as the UK didn't see another show until 2006 after that. 

Not true- they played the (now bulldozed) London Docklands Arena a couple of days later. That was another odd show- quite a small arena, Axl had a huge rant about a review of their Leeds show he'd read which described him as 'as big as a house'. I went to that too- was a very surreal weekend, having seen them after so long in the wilderness. 

What was really strange was how little anticipation or hype there was about the shows outside of a very few fans. I'm not sure they even sold out the Docklands show (I could be wrong on that). The shows had come after two tours (both of which I had tickets for) that just never happened, and never got rescheduled. The second time the tour got cancelled it became the one night at the Docklands. I think that got announced before Leeds actually, but again I could be wrong on that. 

I often wonder how many other people spent all three days at Leeds, then packed up and got the train straight to London. I remember leaving stupidly early and I was pretty much the only person awake on the whole Leeds festival site, trudging along on my own with my bags! No buses running so wandered down country lanes for hours to get to the city centre and down to London.  I did it all on my own- looking back it seems madness, but those shows stand out as something special to me. 

I agree that the potential for that lineup was immense. Still the best version of Nightrain I've ever heard. 

Fantastic show- the atmosphere was off the scale- it seemed like very few GNR fans were there- maybe a couple of hundred of us right at the front, nervous as hell about whether they would show! Was both surreal and exciting. Looking back now it almost feels like it didn't happen- everything about it was so weird. Remember the guy that came out in a mask and did some weird nunchuck routine right behind Buckethead at one point? I never knew what was going on with that. 

Hearing the new stuff was off the scale too- first contact we'd had with it pretty much, as internet wasn't such a thing. 

Prodigy though-come on! They bombed sooooo badly that even the band gave an interview sayig they wanted to split after that show! Was grim. They seem to have picked themselves up since though. I remember a guy stood next to me in a Prodigy shirt saying he was embarrassed to have worn it! 

29 minutes ago, downzy said:

Are you really going to suggest that comparing a band with one original/classic member to bands like U2 or Metallica is a fair comparison?

If your assessment is true, then how is GNR crushing both U2 and Metallica this year?  Are you really going to argue that there's that much demand for a band that, according to you, produced just one great album?

The reason is that the NITL tour is an event, and demand for it has been building for a long time. With U2 and Metallica touring regularly for all these years, it's inevitable that GNR could sell more tickets for one tour. A U2 or Metallica tour isn't such an event. But that will change- the NITL lineup touring won't be an event again. So it's unfair to compare them, on a sales basis, at this time. 

11 minutes ago, RONIN said:

Nailed it. The premise of the argument is baffling really. 

People get touchy here when someone mentions that the GnR setlists are stale. Forget the setlists, it's the songs that are stale! Old songs from two albums rehashed year after year for the last 30 years on tour can get a bit tired. Play some new shit. Controversial statement, I know.

I sincerely doubt anyone is singing along to This I love or Better at a show aside from a few forum geeks in the pit. At the show I went to, there was a mass exodus during the Chinese Democracy songs. Most fans don't know or care about that album. Unlike U2 and Metallica's post 1991 albums, CD was dead on arrival. That album wasn't even relevant to most GnR fans let alone a mainstream music fan that is buying a ticket to a GnR show. Going by Downzy's logic, certainly nobody is buying tickets to hear GnR's last album if album sales, youtube hits, or radio play are any indication. Plenty of people continue to turn out year after year for U2 and Metallica shows because of their new music though. Maybe because those bands actually give their fans what they want and communicate with them regularly instead of disappearing for a decade and dropping a bloated turd called Chinese Democracy on their lap out of nowhere. 

Having made that comment- I do think the setlist is fine, FOR NOW, as it's this tour. This tour is NITL, it's doing the rounds, most people see one show- that's all fine. I had a total blast seeing it- loved every second. I love the Chinese Democracy stuff massively- could even be the highlights of the set for me (controversial as that might be in some circles!). It's the future that is starting to matter now though, as the tour reaches it's final legs. New music is about more than simply whether it connects with fans - it's a statement, and sets a tone of expectation, and makes it clear nostalgia isn't the only draw. From those points alone, the inclusion of CD stuff is welcomed I think. OK, all the casuals might not like it, but they do it anyway. That's great in my book. But without new music, the only future is nostalgia...and that's the problem. Nostalgia is rank, fetid, horrific and the domain of the creatively bankrupt and the 'one gig a year' crowd.  No one wants that. Equally however, there may be no future......

I'm not much of a U2 fan, but come on- you can't really criticize them for not try to move forward, constantly. The reason they've managed to still be as popular as ever is simply that they've done this. No way in hell would they they still be filling stadiums across the world if they were playing the same setlist made up of 80s material over and over. 

Ok there might be an element of 'box tickers' at the shows, there to hear the hits, but they go and see the band once, then they're done. They don't keep going. It's people wanting to hear new and different material that come back tour after tour- fans in other words. U2 can fill stadiums because there are enough of the latter group, who keep coming back. 

I really don't understand any sort of argument for suggesting GNR could possibly do a stadium tour again without serious investment in new material. Arenas, sure. Stadiums- no chance. 95 per cent of the people at the NITL shows were ticking the box. They've done it now. Next year it will be Bon Jovi (or whoever else might be touring) for them. 

There are also probably issues getting him work permits/visas for working outside of the USA, given his past. 

Chatty crowd. Fucking hell, people like that drive me nuts. I've been in bars quieter than this! "Does anyone know what this song is?" 

Great version though- shame about the crowd. 

Just now, RussTCB said:

Huh? 

Person who started this thread has lifted my post/thread directly word for word from another GNR forum- I was a little surprised to see it! I don't post here much, but read stuff fairly often, so it caught my eye!