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Just now, Gibbo said:

Did you see it on Nightrain

....and other places yeah. 

I've been shown a few things, all of them obviously disgusting. 

1 minute ago, Sydney Fan said:

Agree, i think elvis old band tried to do it with elvis a couple of years ago but dont know the outcome of that. As technology gets better it will happen.

With a corpse?! I know they did it with a hologram, but I hadn't heard that. I'll be pleased if it's true - I've been telling people it will happen for years! 

4 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said:

Considering dio is looking at doing a hologram of ronnie dio for upcoming shows, that could eventuate once queen work out how to do this with freddie.

I've always maintained it's only a matter of time before a corpse of someone goes on tour; they reel it out, backing band plays, people gawp at it and say things like "well, it's the next best thing to seeing him play" or "I missed the chance to see him when he was alive, so no way am I going to miss this." 

It'll happen. 

Just now, Mysteron said:

 

It was a broader point, but it is lost. It's fine, no offence meant

Fair enough. 

Just now, Mysteron said:

If you skip a few levels and skew what I say, then yes. But that is not what I mean.

I'm just saying that the LV concerts are above some people's pay grade, they are aimed at someone else. But remember, there are people that cannot even afford the standard concerts. There are people what cannot even watch on YouTube or whatever. I'm just saying that while people are moaning about what they cannot afford above them, there are others out there that wish they have done what half of you have done

 

"There's people in Africa happy if they have food, I doubt many of you worry about them". Can't do much 'skewing' of that. It's saying people here don't care about people in Africa, which is absurd. 

There's ALWAYS someone worse off in life, yes. By your logic though, no one can call anything bullshit unless there is no-one worse off than them! 

Just now, DieselDaisy said:

Thatcherism is alive and well here!

 It's on a comeback in society in general....

Didn't expect a GNR forum to be a hotbed for it though. Plus ca change!  

Just now, Mysteron said:

All I am doing is looking at the same argument from a different perspective, it's offensive because it is the same argument, worded slightly differently at a lower level. It's about what you want and what you can have.

No it's not - it's suggesting that people who post here don't care about starving people because they're pissed off at high ticket prices. 

4 minutes ago, Mysteron said:

There's nothing wrong with it. It's life, it is what happens.

If the band want to test the waters for high price, small venue concerts then so be it. It is their right. There's no point moaning if you don't earn enough money for these things, it's how the cookie crumbles in life. There's people in Africa happy if they have food, I doubt many of you worry about them

What a ridiculously offensive thing to say. 

1 minute ago, Mysteron said:

it's a couple of concerts. The tour has been ongoing for many years.

There's nothing wrong with some corporate events at a different price level to attract a different clientele. We are all different with different monies in and out. It's silly getting annoyed at things that are above or below ones pay scale.

It's like mobile phones at 2000 pounds or at 100 pounds/dollars/blah. There's different things at different levels.

If the prices are too high, the market will dictate and the prices will come down. 

I think the line "there's nothing wrong with some corporate events at a different price level to attract a different clientele" would make a lot of people shudder. 

24 minutes ago, WAR41 said:

Haha dude criticize alllllllll you want.  It's the incessant whining and attacking of the people who:

1. Believe in economics 101 aka supply and demand.
2. Deem people 'mentally unstable' because they spend a good chunk of money to attend events that make them happy and can afford to do so.

If you weren't one of those people on here then apologies for getting you in my crosshairs.  I'm throwing haymakers without looking right now 

It's cool, no worries. 

I totally get what you're saying. I think what feeds into it though is that people really WANT GNR to be above all this excessive pricing bollocks, based on their history, background etc. That's what upsets them. It's sad to think of them as simply a corporate entity when they mean so much to people. Bringing things like 'supply and demand' economics into their world is upsetting....

15 minutes ago, WAR41 said:

 what are you talking about??  Just because I don't list the concerts I've attended in my signature doesn't mean I don't go.  I've been to 4 NITL shows.  2 in 2016 and 2 in 2017.  I've been to MANY other shows for Nu-GNR, Slash solo, Duff solo, VR and Stinson.  How does my dissatisfaction with the box set, my refusal to buy a Vegas ticket and my belief that the band is a corporate machine mean I am "not a fan"?  Apparently you see things in black and white only.  I pay for things I think are worth it AND that I can afford.  I don't understand why you are struggling with this concept.  Life is unfair.  I'm sorry that you can't have everything you want in life. 

I took you previously saying "don't go to their concerts" as what you were personally doing - apologies. 

At this juncture I have absolutely no idea what your argument is. You seem angry about people complaining that prices are absurd....even though you think they are absurd too? Is that it? 

So essentially it's "don't criticize anything you think is shit, just put up with it as they're a corporate machine?" 

2 minutes ago, moreblack said:

Who do they think they are, Queen?

it's just so odd! They've been playing Arenas, not selling them out for years now then someone seems to have gone "hey, do Wembley Stadium guys, and triple your ticket prices" out of the blue! I don't get that one at all! 

Just now, WAR41 said:

Lol, no.  You're just not satisfied with the justification.  The justification for the pricing is that people will pay for it and be in those seats whether they fit your definition of 'true' fans or not.  You don't like that.  You want to know why they would price out 'true' fans for 'rich people' which brings us full circle back to GNR being a corporate machine now.  If you didn't realize it over the last 3+ years then surely you realize it now.  Not sure what else there is to discuss here 

No, that's the explanation for why it's happening. The justification comes with people saying it's OK, or being fine with it, or trying to explain it as reasonable or fair pricing. 

Of course many of us don't like fans with less money being forced out by rich people. Who does? It's nothing to be ashamed of, wanting things to be better for people, regardless whether we as individuals can or cannot afford it. 

Look, we get it - you think GNR are a corporate machine, have been for years, you don't spend a penny on them, you don't go and see them live,  don't buy their stuff etc. We all get that, as you keep telling us. 

Many of us do wonder why you continue to visit a forum so regularly of a band you feel like that about though.....

2 minutes ago, WAR41 said:

I don't think its puzzling to justify the prices.  The band/management obviously feels that it can get that money so they are charging it.  It's as simple as that.  I agree that the pricing is ludicrous, but if the band feels it can sell them for that much (and more importantly SUCCEEDS in selling them for that much) then so be it.  You can see the justification for the pricing and still find it ridiculous.  They aren't exclusive.  

You're confusing 'justifying' with 'explaining here'. We all know the explanation as to how and why they are charging these prices...but justifying them is something different I think. 

Just now, Gavin82 said:

I paid £85 for The Who @ The Royal Albert Hall in 2017 very good seats & its a small Arena they are playing Wembley in 2wks & there tixs are all seated on field with prices from £350ish front too £130 back of the field seated..!!!

When U2 played Twickenham in 2017 tixs were £187 for a good block we was still miles away then i paid £120 for the MEN Arena last year with amazing upper tier seats 4 rows in front me was £211..!!! Them prices should be other way round

That Wembley Who show has totally tanked. I've had offers of 2 for 1 tickets, heavily discounted tickets etc on mailouts. Massively overpriced, far too big a venue for them. Odd that anyone thought it would do anything other than struggle really. 

1 minute ago, Draguns said:

Too much COMPLAINING!!!! Be grateful that you can actually go to a show and post on  this message board. Be grateful that the band is able to still tour. One day they won't be around. One day YOU won't be around or may not be able to attend a show. The past couple of days has taught me again that anything can happen in life unexpectedly. I would have never expected that at age 69 my father would have had a minor stroke even though there is family history of it. It happened on Monday and I'm glad he's ok. 

Enjoy life! It's too short. 

Sorry to hear about your Dad. 

The purpose of a message forum though is for discussion of a band - this isn't always going to be 100 per cent praise. I'd argue voicing concern at these sorts of prices suggests people actually care about the legacy and the reputation of the band. 

People are big fans here - they're going to call bullshit when they see it, as they absolutely should. 

11 hours ago, donny said:

at Download 2018 people were rocking out to the GNR classics and the cover songs.

during songs like "Better" they were stood scratching their heads trying to work out what song it was and who the original artist was.

i guess those 1K Vegas tickets mentioned in another thread are to sort out the casuals from the hardcore. 

No - they're to sort out those who can afford it from those who can't. 

Having £1k to spend on a concert doesn't make you a 'hardcore' fan. 

2 minutes ago, Powerage5 said:

I don't agree with this at all. I go to gigs like this with Iron Maiden - the last tour I saw 46 shows, this tour I'll have seen 40 by the end of the tour in October. They have a lot of fans that follow them the same way I do, and the gigs really only make up a portion of why I do it - it's also to see friends I only see when I'm on tour, and it's to get out and travel and explore the world. I'm not doing it because I hate my life and I'm trying to fill some hole or something. That said, the band I'm doing this with is charging $40-100 in most markets for the best tickets, not $250-1000. Hell, I'm having a hard time stomaching the prices for Maiden in Brooklyn this year, those tickets are $175. 

Whatever job you're doing....got any vacancies!? 

3 minutes ago, nikothebellic said:

Well, I haven't seen all the prices yet, but I can compare - for instance The Rolling Stones' pit on US tour on most venues goes bettween $500-800 - that's also pretty much for a "regular show". At Stones' FLorida show pit goes at $1,500 (that's Platinum ticket, but regular usually is not significantly cheaper. For sure, that's a bummer, but the venue always influences the price - open grounds are cheaper than stadiums, stadiums are cheaper than arenas and then there are "special venues" - like Caesars Palace. They can't break it even by number of tickets , so they use price.  

It's a sad state of affairs though isn't it, that comparisons are being made with the Stones; a band who have been derided for years for their excessive pricing? 

There's obviously a general trend across certain types of bands to charge huge amounts yeah; but I don't think that makes it any more palatable really. 

2 minutes ago, nikothebellic said:

Would you feel better, if they would have made it "private"? I mean no public listing, no formally "part of the tour"? Why do they have to decline an offer due to some what... price ethics? So, seems the problem is that they listed it as a regular show, but the price is far from regular, that's it? 

Let's face it though....prices are pretty steep on the other dates too! 

The 1975 toured the UK recently....with a massive stage set and show. 

Tickets were £25-£30. 

So that's one of the biggest bands in the UK at the moment (headlining festivals etc) charging under $40 for big Arena shows. And you can guarantee they're making a profit. 

That really put things into perspective for me. I'm not a fan of the band myself, but I sure have respect for those prices. If they (and others) can do it, it shows exactly how much greed is flying about. 

4 minutes ago, LovelessNL said:

Okay it might be a difference between EU>US as well then. Sold out here normally means sold out. Sometimes a few days / weeks before showtime some production holds are released, but thats mostly limited view seats or something, and just for top dollar (or Euro in our case )

It's the same in the EU as the US- or certainly the UK, where I'm from. I don't know how ticket selling works in other countries, but we get shafted in the same way as the US. 

1 minute ago, LovelessNL said:

But it doesnt really make sense, does it? Why not sell them at 10-15% cheaper and sell more for the 'higher price' then? Also, I think they did some discounts here (like 10€ or so) when they came around in 2018 for the second time and couldnt sell out the same venue as in 2017 (its 65k capacity or so). But that show wouldnt show up as 'sold out', you could just buy your tix on TicketMaster. Surely you have your odd show here and there which isnt selling that well and needs to get some discounts, but I dont see them listed that as sold out, only to dump the tix at lower prices later. 

it does when you think about the fact that if they can charge, say $500 on top of the face value to a few people - that covers a few losses. And there won't be that many losses really (the example I gave was the result of overestimation), just tickets returning to the market at face value a few days before the show. 

Why do you think all the pit tickets were available at face value just a few days before the show on the last US run? They hold them back to try and make people pay the inflated prices....if they don't, they drop them at face value, and they're snapped up anyway. It's win/win for them. 

9 minutes ago, LovelessNL said:

Well its kinda of grey area, right? I'm thinking 'sold out' is when you cant buy a ticket anymore via the regular (official) channels. You seem to think there's some larger scheme behind this where they don't actually want to sell the tickets but rather give them away so the venue is still full. I'm thinking they can manage that anyway by actually selling all tix. I don't think either of us can prove their claim, so we're just gonna need to agree to disagree on this one.

And yeah, that remark wasn't for you. I think in general we have the same opinion on this. I would love if they would stand up and say 'hey, we want our tix to cost $75 max, and sure; lets throw in a golden circle for 100$ max'. That would earn everyone involved a more than decent living, and wouldn't cost people their life savings. Then again, by now it should be clear they want to make up for 25 years of lost potential profits, so nothing really surprises me anymore with this band, and I wont pay another €130+ to see them, unless something has drastically changed in the show they are giving.

No, there IS a larger scheme. Ticketmaster/Live Nation create the illusion of false demand in order to sell tickets at inflated prices. If they don't sell they dump them near to the show. This is well documented stuff. 

I've actually benefited from this at times -one notable incident was a GNR show some years ago. Standing tickets 'sold out' and I didn't have one. Two days before the concert standing tickets, as well as the best seats, were given away free. A friend of mine (who doesn't like GNR) went down and got a couple and came with me. An absurd scenario - I got tickets for free that I couldn't actually buy, but would have done. That was in the CD era, and they clearly overestimated the demand and how many tickets to 'hold back' to sell at inflated prices. It backfired on them that time. 

There's no need to 'agree to disagree' on this stuff. You can google and read all about it - in fact, if you really want 'proof' that this goes on, I'll provide it via the emails offering free tickets which I still have. It's fact that the illusion of high demand is created by a ticket selling economy that has been monopolized by one company. (Ticketmaster/Live Nation are one and the same). 

Depressing this thread innit? 

Genuinely sad this is where we're at in GNR world. Not really how I hoped things would be when I was getting into them in the 80s/90s.