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6 hours ago, KeyserSoze said:

Ya know, 

I'm so sick of this "woodstock has flown the coup" mentality. 

Each one of these 'Woodstocks' in the 90's had 250,000+ show up.

Don't act like thats a failure. 

Some people act like festival production in the 90's was Bret Hart status. The best there was, the best there is, and the best there ever will be.

Wrong. It just wasn't.

They try to use Woodstock 99 as some sort of black sheep. 

Music festivals as we know them today were just starting to take off in the late 80's, early 90's. Everything since then has become more organized and controlled. 

We shouldn't act like this band DOSEN'T go to South American every year and play to THOUSANDS of people and other festivals and play for wayyyyyy crazier fans than the states. 

All of those things that people say left a "bad" taste in our mouths after 1999 were all products of all of those peoples environment. Don't try to act like the late 90's/early 2000's meat head upper east coast jock culture wasn't like that at ALL because the fact of the matter is it was. And if you get 300,000 people together and mix in alcohol and drugs, companies and businesses price gouging fans (as you said) at a time when most younger kids had absolutely no money and you will get what you inevitably got at that festival. 

When I see "Woodstock: 50" I don't see rape. I don't see violence. I objectively see a festival that has the potential to be the fucking concert of the DECADE, especially when you have disasters like the Coachella and Hangout lineup. Even Bonnaroos lineup isn't that impressive. Phish is headlining. Twice. What year is it? 

All I know is, since 1999, we've had a major shift in the industry in regards to touring and live shows. Every state basically has a mini Woodstock of their own now. 

I think we should let this notion of "Woodstock 99" destroying the Woodstock image die. It's like getting divorced in a bad marriage and never getting with someone else as you continue to shit talk your ex.

Move on.

You can only go up from the point you are at. 

Corporate America has already kicked in our front door. Yes, the shit is going to be sponsored the fuck out of, but literally what isn't these days???? I can see that shit being a problem in 1999 when DIY was still a tangible idea and not some novelty that seems way more prevalent in hipster culture nowadays... 

Just literally wait till the lineup drops and decide if you want to go. If you don't, move on with your day. Its that simple and yet we try to complicate it by thinking we're so big as to own what we think "Woodstock" should be.  

Who gives a shit though? It's a festival designed to make a lot of people a lot of money - why the passionate defence?

It's no more or less corporate than any music festival, all of which absolutely aren't worth giving a fuck about or showing any loyalty to. The days of them being "gatherings of like minded folk" are long gone, as have the days have them being anything more than a selection of the same bands who perform everywhere performing the same routines in front of a bunch of rich people they can hardly see from the stage. There's nothing exciting or ground breaking about any of them - they're highly priced events designed at squeezing the sort of uber-casual music 'fan' that goes to one event a year, who largely don't even give a fuck who's on the lineup. They're about as alternative or challenging as a trip to Walmart these days. 

I'm not knocking Woodstock, as it'll probably just be the same as all the other festivals - I just can't understand why anyone would care enough to defend it against people who want to laugh at it? 

On 1/6/2019 at 1:36 PM, Brain In A Jar said:

The Ya-Ya's are a British band. They played a few gigs with Oasis around 93/94 and their bass player (Scott McLeod) briefly joined Oasis in 1995. You can see him in the Wonderwall music video.

Oh and thanks @Slapshot61 . Really interesting stuff. Don't feel disheartened by a few individuals, it's really appreciated I promise you. I think some people are a little insensitive because they feel burned by the band and their management. The more information put out there the better we all are so thank you. If you ever changed your mind and uploaded the other photos it would only be a huge plus for this community. Even the smallest of things is seen as gold around here and them labels are a treasure trove of information we may not see again. 

It's not them - they went absolutely nowhere, so I'd be amazed if they were at a studio in LA! 

It'll be the Seattle punk band The Ya Yas (who changed their name from 'The Fucking Ya Yas'). They were active in that time period - no idea what happened to them though....or whether Duff had some sort of involvement with them at the time. It would explain their presence in this collection of material if he did though. 

4 hours ago, Bitchisback said:

So crazy that a record label would want to make money on their own material rather than give away low quality versions of it for free.  Absolutely Shocking.  

Perhaps if they made the material available in high quality formats, officially, people wouldn't want to consume it via low quality versions for free? 

I'd much rather spend money on getting physical copies of things (as would most fans) - but that option isn't there. 

15 hours ago, Sweersa said:

I wasn't talking to you, but since you engaged...

I've given away copies of CD (though not the red hand, only ever had one), and even GN'R singles before to casual fans, among other things, including highly interesting items not available to the public to individuals I trust. I've offered one of my new blue AFDs cassettes to someone as a gift, but they didn't want it. It's not that I am not generous, I simply enjoyed the thrill of the hunt for finding these tapes, will keep at least two for myself and will move a few to recoup my investment, and the rest I'll save for years to later sell. Maybe they will be worth less than I paid for the, maybe ten times what I paid, I'm not banking on them, but my instinct tells me they will be worth far more. I'm doing and have done the same thing with Jurassic Park toys.  I've done it with Star Wars things, firearms parts, fixing and selling classic video game systems, even soda. I literally have boxes of this stuff in my house to later sell, or enjoy, then sell later. Just something I do. It's fun for me, and I make a little money doing it and my customers are happy.  I've been paid $45 for a single can (well, several cans over the years) discontinued soda I bought and saved years ago and they send me letters thanking me, one guy even sent me some soda in return along with a thank you. No one is being ripped off in these situations.  I've paid crazy amounts of money for things that people have bought for several times less than what they cost years ago.  It's all current market value, driven by supply and demand, which you understand based on your statements. 

Different strokes for different folks, I suppose. I'm not the Robin Hood of the online GN'R community. If I was, you would know, believe me. Such expectations of people being so open with items they have acquired (by any means) or under trust is likely a contributing factor to why so many things that are circulating amongst a select few here are not available to the public.

No, it's not a contributing factor at all - in fact it's the opposite. The reason things WEREN'T circulating was because people were trying to put monetary value on things and keep them worth money. As soon as that particular set of dis-likable individuals had their world bust wide open, and the fans got material, it was shared. For free. Hence those individuals fury and the aggressive tactics used to attempt to keep that material worth something. 

What you're talking about is doing things like turning up first at a gig, buying all the lithos, keeping them out of others hands, then feeling smug about it. You can understand why people on a fan forum might find that sort of behaviour, at best, pathetic. You're not going to get a pat on the back for it- you're also unlikely to find yourself front of the queue when it comes to fans sharing things and helping out other fans. 

Most people have zero interest in trying to make profit by keeping things out of others hands. That's an entirely normal way for fans to behave in relation to each other. I had people, from this forum and from HTGTH (that I'm more active on) send me things from the tour I wanted and you know what? They didn't charge me a penny more than they cost them. I've done the same for people. Sure you can say "you're stupid for doing that, current market value, etc etc" but you know something else? Most fans couldn't give a flying fuck about trying to make a few dollars out of another fan. I guess it's kind of the point of a 'fan forum': discuss stuff and communicate with people who feel as passionately as you do. Why the hell would I then want to make money out of them? 

Keep going with your little 'buy and sell operation' if it makes you happy. Don't expect us to respect you for it though. 

11 hours ago, Sweersa said:

Can you explain to me how someone willfully buying something on eBay is being ripped off? Maybe they don't have a Target in their location, maybe they are unable to make it to Target, and would prefer to order it online.

There's no deception at all in such a transaction.

Market value. If I buy something for $100 in 2006, and then want to sell it in 2011 for whatever reason, and the market value of that particular item is now $250, and I sell it for around that. I don't see how that would be ripping someone off. Early adopters of Bitcoin who made thousands or more never ripped anyone off by making an investment choice.  Some were lucky and just happened to buy a little for whatever reason, others were smart enough to realize the potential with it. It makes no difference really. 

So in short, someone willfully paying for something accurately represented in a listing (ie: not a counterfeit or having concealed defects, etc.) is not being ripped off. I'm not sure how I can make this any more clear.

 

we all understand what you're doing - we're just mocking you for it. If you want to spend your free time driving round Target's trying to keep cassettes out of the hands of people that might want to buy them - that's your look out. But please don't think you're some sort of genius businessman for doing it, as you really aren't. You're the equivalent of the kid at school that buys all the chocolate bars up, and then doesn't understand why the other kids make fun of him. And also please don't think many people on a GNR fan forum are going to pat you on the back for it. 

I think most people find 'investments' and 'market value' debates to be the sort of think they turn to music to avoid and put two fingers up at. You can sit in your bedroom cackling and rubbing your hands in glee that you've picked up some cassettes, and aren't you SO clever for doing so. The rest of us will laugh at you for failing to get the point of music. 

On another note...I cant understand why anyone would want these things. The exact same album on plastic that's tinted blue? I'll pass and spend my money on an album I don't already have! 

2 hours ago, Sweersa said:

Far from wasted money.  Buy two of them, keep one if you wish for the collection, sell the other one on eBay for more than double what you paid.  In the end, you just used some time to get a cool collectible, or maybe even made a little money. 

Yeah, sure, if you want to be a total jerk. 

"Ah, it's capitalism man, it's business, it's the real world, it's making money" etc etc.  Yeah, fuck that. I'm happy to be the sort of person to sell things to other fans for the price they cost. As a result fans have sold me things for the price they cost too. It's all about 'not being a cunt' I suppose....which is something I constantly try not to be. 

I'd just wait. 

Don't expect much though. In about 6-8 months (I know of people who are still waiting long after that though) your stuff will turn up. That's really about it. There's not much more to Nightrain than that. You can use the forum on the website if you like; I presume you've already got a log in for that if you've registered. 

Trying to contact them is a nightmare - it's just a waiting game. Your water bottle and hoodie will turn up eventually I expect...but it will be a long wait. I know of people who still haven't received theirs though, that renewed when the new packages came in, so don't hold your breath! 

1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

It is why I agree with what that ginger kid is doing. 

People are happy to write off Ed Sheeran as 'not cool' or 'not alternative' enough....but really, he's the one actually getting off his arse and battling these practices, at his own personal expense. Meanwhile so called 'anti-authority' acts are happy to carry on facilitating the flogging of their tickets at grossly inflated prices. 

Musically, he's not my bag, but I think it speaks volumes that it's him who is standing up for things rather than anyone else....

2 hours ago, ToonGuns said:

London sold out mega fast. Bloody bot touts! Had to fork out £100pp via Viagogo for stalls standing tickets.

Can't moan about the touts if you're willing to pay their prices....you're the reason they do it! 

Shows aren't sold out - Ticketmaster are just doing their usual "sell at inflated prices to generate illusion of demand" trick. They're selling tickets for the doncaster show for £200-£250.....it's not sold out and they're available for face value from the venue website. 

Ticketmaster tactics are disgusting - making up their own prices to see what they can get away with charging. When people don't buy them they dump them all back to face value. Look at other ticket sellers if possible at all times (only use TM as a last resort) or just simply wait a bit. 

43 minutes ago, Ralphelmo said:

Early 2018 was 5 months ago dude! And if it comes to 2019, Slash is commited to SMKC since the very beginning of the year. 

Ha! Getting my years muddled! Yeah - I meant 2019 of course! Australia/New Zealand early 2019 would be my guess. 

Do we know Slash is committed to SMKC early next year? No tour dates announced yet are there? 

Just now, TheDemocracyRose said:

The tour will end this year...

As I recall Fernando also suggested that touring was the plan beyond this year. My guess would be Australia/New Zealand dates in early 2018. 

Fernando mentioned that there were no more European dates on the cards. 

Was on Amazon Prime about a year and a half ago. Izzy was on it, and the show appeared to be uncut (to my memory/knowledge). 

23 hours ago, RussTCB said:

oooooooooooooooor another option would be to have people who have a remote interest in the band run it.

I have far too much (unwanted) free time, and would absolutely, 100 per cent run it for little or no payment, alongside a couple of other fans, aimed at fans. Live nation controlling it may seem sensible in the shorter term financially, but in the longer term, having people with some passion for the band offering what people want would see revenue rocket. I offered a few times on Nightrain itself (not a member anymore!) 

How much are the shirts? If there isanyone going that might be ok with picking one up for me could they dm me....I'd be grateful. 

9 hours ago, Gimpy Hewitt said:

Don’t order from the GNR store, in the past they’ve been unreliable, and super deluxe is way cheaper on amazon

HMV in the UK is way cheaper than Amazon (for the super deluxe version) 

Still way too expensive for me...but for those who are interested! 

38 minutes ago, ALTHEO said:

Thanks....but looking for an official shirt...

I bought one of the ones from ebay off the screenprinters - quality is exceptional, and looks better than the official one! 

Was really impressed. 

37 minutes ago, 6lake sa66ath said:

That looks like the Crazy Frog has had a breakdown, then been mauled by a dog. Good grief. Not for me! 

2 hours ago, tremolo said:

Your post doesn’t make any sense because you’re starting from a fallacy. I actually like those bands (except from Coldplay, which I consider the lamest, most overrated glorified turd that has come out in a while, but that’s beyond the point). I wouldn’t say those bands have a unique sound, come on man. The Killers is not rock, it is pop. Their sound is pretty derivative, nothing new or unique there buddy boy, but they are fucking great, and remind me a lot of The Beatles and Nirvana: it’s all in the fucking melody, nothing too crazy, unique, intricate... it’s just good music, and their drummer is really fucking good. The fact that it’s pop music doesn’t make it any less valuable.

I’m not married to any genre in particular, so there goes your point.

"Coldplay doesn't even qualify as music" was your comment. I'd say that's not starting from a fallacy of you not liking Coldplay at all. I'd say it's obvious you don't like or respect them because they don't make music you personally like.  It's you saying they're no good to anyone at all, and shouldn't make music. 

There's no band that sounds like Muse. Or The Killers or Coldplay for that matter. They're all unique at what they do, and you instantly know it's them as soon as you hear them- all 3 have progressed too through their career. Nothing wrong with any of that. 

I'm not sure why there is any need to label Muse, The Killers or Coldplay as rock or pop. Serves no purpose to anyone. 

5 minutes ago, Stress Fracture said:

I think Muse (dubstep) and Coldplay (pop duets with Rihanna) did follow the crowd. Never far away from the dreaded millennial whoop either.

I'd say both are unique bands though - in that there's no one that sounds like either of them really. Both bands have also moved their sound on continuously - which I have to admire. I have no desire to hear Muse's foray into dubstep, or a duet with Rihanna of course! 

I just think it's harsh to run these bands down when there are so many 'rock' bands who are the most boring, dull, unimaginative fuckers you can imagine, claiming not to be, yet offering nothing to the contrary. 

Having tattoos and claiming to be 'hardcore' and  all that crap is now about as 'different' as reading Harry Potter. 

34 minutes ago, tremolo said:

Why do people make the association that distorted guitars and-or hard-hitting drums are all it takes to define what is rock?

Muse is pop as fuck with some rock-sounding tunes. The Killers are pop as fuck too. Coldplay doesn’t even qualify as music.

Why? Because you don't like them? They're a hell of a lot more genuine than the landfill of bands who cover their arms in tattoos, put hoops in their ears, wear flat-brimmed caps, scream and shout about how individual they are, whilst doing nothing original or remotely alternative, while EVERYONE else they know and play with sound identical. 

Maybe Muse, Killers and Coldplay aren't your musical taste - but they're all bands with a unique sound and identity that aren't following the crowd. Good luck to them and their fans. 

2 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said:

*To attend the Yasalam After-Race Concerts, you must be a Formula 1 2018 Etihad Airways Abu Dhabi Grand Prix ticket-holder.

https://m.gulfnews.com/leisure/events/guns-n-roses-returning-to-the-uae-1.2218179

Yeah - the concerts come as part of the Grand Prix tickets. They aren't sold separately. All the tickets include access to the concerts as part of the package. So basically it will be a gig full of car fans who've decided to wander in! 

1 minute ago, PatrickS77 said:

No. You Need to have a F1 ticket. Then you can buy a concert ticket.

I don't think that's the case is it? 

https://ticketsyasmarinacircuit.com/en/3086-abu-dhabi-ymc/tickets/?_ga=2.253605897.1030293324.1525795981-1978061523.1525795981

So...to go to the concert, you buy a ticket for the day of racing and go along if you fancy it? That's not going to do wonders for the atmosphere of the gig is it?! Corporates with money isn't even going to begin to describe this one! 

Can you IMAGINE how stiff the crowd will be for this gig? Nightmare.