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24 minutes ago, JimiRose said:

Songs like shacklers and riad, would have met better receptions in 2000 than in 2008 for sure. Plus there would have been a lot less meddling in the songs, with the layers and mixing. so the album probably would have been more successful. but the only 2 with radio play potential were chidem and better, in that era or 2008. 

It still would have been too late in 2000 for those songs imo. OMG didn’t get great traction in 1999.  

From what we heard from the leaks and those versions that are more stripped back? The Blues, Chinese Democracy, and There Was A Time would have fared well. Those versions should have been released 

To be fair here, Bucket never really had a chance either in that live setting. He was around for essentially half a tour before the whole thing blew up. 

We’ve heard a lot of what he brought to the studio though, which seems like he was able to step in there, show some of his creative force and influence the sound of the band

The logistics of packing a stadium regardless of the act/event seems like a ways away 

32 minutes ago, mystery said:

I agree with this. It gets glossed over but even those albums were a difficult process. Some songs are basically solo driven. It's why I have an appreciation for them. Its Guns' White Album.

Izzy saw early where things were heading and left early. Saving some of those tracks would have been a good idea. It seemed like they emptied their vault so to speak.

I've kind of derailed things a bit but a lot of these issues continued to the CD band. Guys like Josh Freese, Buckethead, Robin Finck etc. came in to try and set a new direction.

Axl sold them on a new vision and I think most of them wouldn't have joined if they weren't convinced and thought they could contribute.

It’s relevant though. Would Axl have felt the need to reinvent with the CD era if there was something else left from previous years that was unfinished? 
 

Starting from scratch led to multiple ideas of what it should be. Ultimately that seems like it was a major issue between them

The label and management probably wanted to squeeze the most possible out of them. They weren’t thinking about 5 years, careers or their well being. Not with the condition Slash Duff and even Axl were in. Not with Steven gone and Izzy one foot out of the door.

Everyone was cashing in on them  

1 hour ago, mystery said:

Slash seems to be implying that he didn't want the band to rush things. Take their time and not rush an album. You're always going to lose some fans with time between albums so I see his point. Plus the mid 90s were a shift in terms of musical tastes. A lot of bands from that era changed things up a bit.

I think the band (Slash,Duff, Matt,), were as patient as they could be. As creative guys they just couldn't work the way they were. Late night recording sessions with no end in sight.

There was music recorded in 94-96 but Axl was the main hold up. He didn't want to contribute lyrics or vocals while also not liking most of the music. That's fine but there doesn't seem to be a lot of communication from him on exactly the music he wanted.

The band seemed to be strung along in those years and it's hardly surprising that they broke up. They really needed a complete hiatus. Let the guys do their solo stuff. Have Axl deal with his personal issues. A lot of tension could have been eased and they could've come back in 97/98.

Maybe. An issue thats gets overlooked is that they pretty much emptied the vault for the Illusions. For the most part, their songs could take years to complete going to back before Appetite 

Sure Izzy was a major cog that was missing, but I’m not sure if that would have sped things up either. They probably needed to hold back some of the material. Songs such as Breakdown, Locomotive etc... could have used some more time in the oven and provided a starting point for the next record. Starting from scratch could have been daunting for a band that had previously relied on something left in the cupboard 

Instead they released most of what they had. Partly to capitalize on their success. Perhaps they thought they were on the edge and didn’t know if certain members were going to be around the next time around. Whether they quit or something worse 

Good stuff! I bought my vinyl back when it was released just so I could listen to Coma (the Japanese CD import was more expensive at the time)

That album is def not something I bring out for a listen. It’s more of a collection piece than anything now and it’s stored correctly. Maybe I should have bought more! They were around $30 on Amazon back then

I get that the price point for a Live Era reissue may be a bit much. Doesn’t explain why they haven’t done TSI though. Not that anything can be explained with this band 

It may kill the band in that will the guaranteed money they draw in the future still be worth it to those 3? Especially in a crowded live music space when things return. 

Everyone will be touring. The market will be flooded. $ will be more scarce from promoters and fans 

24 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

Thanks, I really wish AFD '99 would leak. The odds of it ever being released officially are close to zero.

Id certainly be interested in hearing it. Remember the end of SCOM 99. It’s really nothing like the original recording or the live versions. I would think if AFD 99 exists, there would be more moments like that 

24 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

Can I assume the re-recorded vocals for Live Era are the same vocals on the re-recorded AFD? I thought both were from the late '90s, so it makes sense to me.

Not likely. The tempos wouldn’t match. Guns didn’t play live to a click back then 

Im happy with just grabbing the vinyl from the store a while back. Came with a red cassette. Also grabbed the CD version back when it was 40 bucks. 
 

in essence I got the vinyl, cds, the cassette, the litho and the rest of the bs for around 150 
 

This stuff obviously wasn’t mixed for release and pulled straight from the source. What works live in a building often doesn’t translate elsewhere. At a certain point it’s not releasable for even a passing YouTube upload. It needs to be edited and remixed (if they even have multi tracks ) 
 

15 hours ago, Sydney Fan said:

When i saw the post about slash doibg a GNR pin in 2013 he woukd have needed duff and axls people to sign off on this. As a guess if slash and axl hadnt had a cordial relationship axl would have straight up said no. But im wondering if there was some sort of ice breaking arpund that time.

If slash and axl still hadnt had a personal relationship, and slash most likely would have been rejected from licencing the GNR name for the pinball i doubt slash would have pursued this.......

I believe they were done trying to sabotage each other’s projects by that point. Duff had shared the stage and the ice had been broken. Would it have happened/broached in 2013? Maybe not for timing reasons, but I think they were able to think about the brand and what they could work together on if not a possible reunion down the line

7 hours ago, Finck2006 said:

In live era they used re recorded vocals thats sure, we dont know if there are come from the same sessions.

Also the Welcome to the jungle from the village sounds more like a rehearsal than anything, all the guys are playing in the same room

I doubt they’re from the same session. That would mean the source material live is at the same tempo as the re-recording. Which they never played to a click live. It would be lunacy  for even GNR to recreate it 

They definitely redid parts for Live Era. A lot of bands did this for live albums. I’m pretty sure Robin was used for some backing vocals. I think that would have been done separately. They had the studio booked the entire time to do it.

It could have been something where Gilby/Izzy weren’t directly in front of their mic on the source material. They weren’t going to call in those guys in 1999 to redo backing vocals so they had Robin fill in since he was there 

SCOM 99 is your best guess as to what those songs sounds like at the time. 

2 hours ago, t-p-d-a said:

I've always thought that Axl's recordings for Re-AFD were used for Live Era. Nightrain, WTTJ, Sweet Child O 'Mine, Rocket Queen on Live Era. These songs definitely have that late 90s Axl vocals. Could it be that after Re-AFD was canceled, the recordings were used for Live Era? I can't remember when Re-AFD was a thing. 90s? 00s?

The band didn’t perform to a click live back then. Therefore anything they had probably didn’t line up in time with anything they had recorded. If vocals exist, they were most likely done separately and are different from Live Era takes is my guess 

1 minute ago, guitarpatch said:

39 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

So basically he says Bumblefoot ruined everything lol.

Mainly because that was going to be his role. He’d take the Bucket leads in a 2 guitar lineup going back and forth with Robin in 2006. It’s a shame we didn’t see that

Only if people would pay 2k per ticket 

49 minutes ago, t-p-d-a said:

what is the point of the official nightrain forum?

For the fanbase to have “first dibs” to pay full price for tickets. For that opportunity, you pay a membership fee. It’s a virtual shakedown street 

28 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

Those are already on vinyl tho so it doesn’t matter.

Yeah but they aren’t currently in print and haven’t been reissued since they were originally released 

28 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

Those are already on vinyl tho so it doesn’t matter.

Yeah but they aren’t currently in print and haven’t been reissued since they were originally released 

Now reissue live era and the spaghetti incident 

51 minutes ago, Rovim said:

it's possible Azoff tried to push Robin out of the band, but there is no evidence to support this rumor afaik.

Well besides it being Irving Azoff....

He’s a master manipulator and that’s something right up his alley. Especially when it comes to reuniting artists for his gain. Not sure if he flat out didn’t pay him, but he could have made the situation for him more unstable than it already was (given the nature of GNR).

Azoff could have known Trent was probably going to call, and he very well could put Robin in a position beforehand that he couldn’t say no to the offer 

10 minutes ago, Amaya said:

I am probably going too far. Tell Russ to delete if you feel I am going overboard.

I am projecting.Assuming.

Axl does not look good yeayah. We all age. He has resources to hire trainer, chef, all who are nutrionists.Hire hair stylists.

His money looks real good , but  he could have easily found his Mrs Right. Call Patty The Matchmaker Springer to find someone. I don’t  mean no wanna be starlet . There are business women in his world. There are not just wanna be starlets seeking money.

He is still a man. The  couple pics of Duff and wifey Susz and Slash n wifey Meg all four hanging out dinner, he does not feel odd man out. I am pushing it here. Pardon me. He can easily find a woman with it all, 30 ish, not too much younger and have a baby. A family. His. Roots.. Someone like him, like Prince, what happens when they....you know....family of.. , her grankids.....their kids.Rights name, image works.   I really think they, she, has too much control over this man. 

 

 

 

Well marriage also isn’t for everyone. Let the man make and live with those decisions whatever they may be. 

This stuff has nothing to do with the band and not releasing music. Although there’s some interesting comments about Doug and Fernando here, who knows where it’s coming from 

If you can get your $ back, I’d suggest you do it. There are no guarantees there are shows next year. If there are shows, everyone will be touring  and there will probably be some very competitive deals out there to replace your ticket 

28 minutes ago, Padme said:

Yeah but the article says "small business loans" I'm not sure rock concerts fit that category. Unless those bands play small venues like The Troubadour.

Small business is more defined in the amount of people they employ. The SBA program was designed to keep people employed on payroll in businesses that were affected by Covid instead of those workers being unemployed and therefore on state unemployment. The music business has been affected and they surely do qualify.

This also isn’t Slash/Duff/Axl paying themselves. It’s everyone else they have on payroll. People in their camp rely on those shows happening for income. Shows provide the infrastructure for that to happen. You can ask why don’t they pay them out of their personal pockets, but that’s really a lot to ask (although I’m sure they would have given it some thought otherwise).
 

These were funds specifically made available for them to use here for that purpose. It’s a no brainer decision to take it and keep their people paid 

2 hours ago, The Holographic Universe said:

Each of these bands have large crews that no longer have jobs. 

The music business is entirely affected by Covid during this time and in the future. That’s exactly what these loans were meant for. It keeps people paid intermediately. Theres a lot of overhead for these bands 

It’s a cover album. While canned spaghetti could be satisfying for some, the home made spaghetti meal has more substance.