guitarpatch

59 minutes ago, Rovim said:

I think Richard knows about the broad lines of the plan to release an album. Why so reserved if he doesn't know anything.

Those plans probably get changed constantly and most likely have been for his entire time in the band. It’s much better to say nothing than say where things lay this week 

5 hours ago, alfierose said:

There's obviously a sliding scale of vagueness that must be applied depending on your position in GNR Inc and proximity to Axl. 

Perhaps it works like military clearance?

He probably knows as much as we do. Then the stuff he does hear is irrelevant by the week’s end 

2 hours ago, Martin Riggs said:

To be more accurate, it likely lowers the bar for what GNR can demand the next go around. They went from being a top 3 tour of all time a few years ago to getting outperformed by GD/Weezer. 

The fee probably stays the same. They’ll move to arenas and count on fans paying more per ticket. When a tour doesn’t make LN $, that’s when the fee goes down. They don’t need sell outs to turn a profit 

Most bands try not to oversaturate the market so that they keep their booking fee and have success over time. Seems like Guns are gonna keep going until the $ doesn’t make sense to go out any longer

11 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Hmm, I would think there is a decent profit on that and that it validates the touring they did.

Well it validates the promoter for giving them their guarantee for this run. GNR got paid whether the shows made $ or not.  For LN, it’s surely revenue that they can show to their stock holders. It also sets the bar for what GNR can demand for the next go around 

10 minutes ago, -W.A.R- said:

Hopefully they do better this time around and put out a reasonably priced vinyl set. They can keep the rings and fake tattoos.

Yeah, but what if they throw in biker shorts? 

1 hour ago, youngswedishvinyl said:

Like I said earlier they've recently posted videos on Youtube of pro-shot UYI Tour footage so that leads me to belive there will be video on the box set, why would they otherwise go through the video archives instead of the audio archive?

Who knows with them. I do question whether they have full multitracks that can be properly mixed or just the live mix from the board for the majority of those shows. It would still be great to hear either way 

If we’re finally getting official full released concerts from the UYI tour, I’m not going to complain if it’s audio or video 

Gonna guess we’ll be seeing Ain’t Goin Down on the set list and as the single for this. Live shows outside of Tokyo would be great. Even better if it’s less than $400 

5 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

They are probably not going to sell huge amounts, the price of over 3k is a bit prohibitive. I'm sure they are great guitars though because even the cheaper streamliner Gretch are fantastic guitars. Doesn't change that over 3k is exclusively excessively rich hobbists, pro musicians or the absolute .1% nut fan that just has to have everything related to gnr. I'd guess the production is limited

Guitar consumers are a bit different. One doesn’t have to be a huge Richie Kotzen fan to have his signature telecaster. 3k is certainly a different price point than a 1k tele. However if someone is looking into a Gretsch, and especially ones that are around that price point, they will certainly look into it as an option. They will sell more to people who don’t know who he is than those who are Fortus enthusiasts  

There’s a big Gretsch dealer down the street from me. If they get one in stock, I’ll try it out 

Most things get discounted eventually. I normally wait for that to happen if things look pricey and it’s something I want. It’s merch. It’s purpose is to be a rev stream. Everything is overpriced to make a profit. Fans buy the toy truck or they don’t 

An example is also at the end of Brownstone on Live Era

3 minutes ago, LikeADog93 said:

I don’t buy that. They’ve done tons of shows where his voice was totally shot. Rock in Rio 2017 probably being the most prime example. 

They’d have to cancel the tour if his voice weren’t prepared. That’s just the state of his voice in 2017 

33 minutes ago, LikeADog93 said:

Based off how he sounded on the most recent tour I doubt he’s doing much practice on his own. People can blame it on his age all they want but we saw in 2016 what he’s capable of when he really puts his foot forward. No reason why he can’t do that again. 

Has nothing to do with how he sounds. He would be sidelined and the shows canceled if he weren’t building up his voice for a tour. It would last a week if he weren’t prepared. He’s simply not just coming off the couch 
 

Rehearsing and how the performance/phrasing is with the band is a completely different issue 

1 hour ago, LikeADog93 said:

He doesn't take part in any of the rehearsals. To me that shows a huge lack of effort and it's evident in his recent performances. 

The lack of appearing at rehearsals doesn’t mean he isn’t taking care of his voice. It just means he hasn’t prepared with the band. If you want to equate any issues early in a tour with his timing, hesitancy etc towards that, that’s absolutely fair

However, they would have to cancel every tour after the first week if he wasn’t prepared to sing for 2-3 hrs multiple times per week. He can’t just show up to the tour after a long time off. He’s doing that work on his own 

37 minutes ago, downzy said:

Are we talking about in a studio or live?

I think he could still pull it off if it's only for one take.  I'm still of the opinion that Axl's greatest consideration when singing live is to manage his voice so as to allow him to sing for 2+ hours.

A studio setting, where Axl could burst out insane vocal lines and then rest, is a different matter.  

Not just for 2-3hrs. He has to do it for an entire tour that plays multiple days per week. 
 

You can hear it live when he goes there from time to time. He can absolutely be himself in a studio environment 

Gross is no where near their final net. They’ve done well and cashed in, but so did Live Nation 

Not to specifically point out Guns but why do artists need to be poor to have integrity? Artists technically “sold out” when they started to get paid for club gigs. Some got $ to record an album. It’s always been a business. 

Licensing music for commercials is bad, but licensing music for big budget films or images for t-shirts is somehow good? It’s the same thing 

Get the $ while you can if you’re an artist. Tomorrow isn’t guaranteed. Just look at royalties for physical media 

1 hour ago, 6lake sa66ath said:

Rockabilia stocks official merchandise and has been around since the 90s as I recall.

Yep. They had some cool GNR shirts from the mid/late 90’s that I can’t seem to find anywhere

Radio is dead for new music. Streaming and playlists are more of an indicator of success 

8 hours ago, Rovim said:

these 2 songs are on the opposite side of the spectrum imo. I think Set Me Free worked better as a film soundtrack and introduction to VR cause it was simple, easy to digest, old school hard rock and it was indicative of the album's direction which was much more mainstream compared to Oh My God. One of the stronger VR tunes imo. Matt really came through with the bass riff and Scott delivered an It's So Easy-esque vocal melody in the verses with a catchy and energetic chorus.

They didn't try to reinvent the wheel with this one so maybe there was less resistance from the get go to their sound. My guess is people still expected the first new Gn'R single to retain certain elements that were missing.

Oh My God was heavier and more ambitious but it wasn't a good choice for a film soundtrack imo or as the first song to introduce new Gn'R. The muddy production probably didn't help for old Gn'R fans to connect to it. It took me a few listens to really fall in love with the song.

I still listen to Set Me Free, but Oh My God is a classic for me.

sidenote: I think the poor reception was a "tragedy" to Gn'R fans cause I believe that if it was received well, Axl would have gained enough confidence in the project to maybe mix the album and release it in 1999/2000.

The issue was two fold. The song did fit amongst the vibe and bands on that soundtrack. However that phase in popular music was well past it’s peak culturally by 98/1999

2nd was that the movie wasn’t very good commercially  

Seems like it’s an international licensing issue. Most likely it’s on the film/label side 

11 minutes ago, t-p-d-a said:

I read somewhere that OMG on the soundtrack CD  for the movie is just a demo version. It wasn't finished for a final release. It has no official release. I'm a OMG fan too. They should finish that song and release it.

It’s still officially released. Whether or not the band considers it a “demo” is something else 

Guns songs are just more vocally challenging. It’s the constant change of vocal registers and going in between them that seems to give him issues. If all he had to do was belt high notes with “rasp”, it would most likely be more consistent. 

If he wasn’t prepared to tour, he’d blow his voice out the first week of shows

57 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

Is it possible or likely the mixes of Absurd and Hard Skool will be better on the physical copies than the digital download versions? I saw it suggested before.

Also, since it's pretty clear we have vocals from Eye On You in it, do you think that could mean Eye On You will never be released?

Well they will hopefully master it for vinyl. Low  end and any stereo synths are a few issues for any vinyl release. The original source is still digital though. The mix won’t likely change 

Ticket prices fluctuate as it’s mostly now real time pricing. If the show is in extreme demand, the prices go up. If the show isn’t, they will go down. 

For someone like GNR, I don’t think it should be a surprise that after multiple tours before and after the reunion, prices go down after their main fanbase gets their picking. The fact they are still doing stadiums regardless of the price to get in is great in itself. It probably won’t last forever 

As far the Grammys, they simply wont put the time, effort or money to go after it. They don’t do interviews or promotion normally. Why would they change that stance for an industry award? 

It’s also highly unlikely that GNR captures the social zeitgeist again in their careers. Their time has passed. You get the feeling that some fans are hopeful or are ready to measure them to that standard. That doesn’t mean they can’t release new music. It can even be some of the best they’ve ever done. It‘s just not 1989 any longer and these guys are pushing their 60’s. They’re a heritage act