guitarpatch

6 minutes ago, Bitchisback said:

Perhaps isn't going to sell tickets.  Most of the casual audience isn't interested in new music from GnR. There was a dude at the concert the other night who didn't realize they played SCOM.

 

Guns have a huge audience and people are going to go to the shows and have a good time whether they release these tracks or not 

The song itself doesn’t sell tickets. The majority of people don’t want to hear it at a concert 
 

What sells tickets is the coverage of the song/mentioning the band and the news cycle it generates. That will happen once it’s available 

2 minutes ago, Martin Riggs said:

I assume the gesture towards radio in the US is because they’re hoping they can help them promote the numerous upcoming dates that have very sluggish sales. 

The owner of iheartradio also has a controlling stake in LiveNation 

If these songs are being released to fulfill promo obligations for their Live Nation tour, they could have also been asked to debut the song with their partner as part of it 
 

Essentially they get one day to drive traffic from the fanbase. It’s all connected  

2 minutes ago, Sausagebrain said:

Yes, but you'd think that there would be an announcement that it was going to be released, and that it's been released to radio.

They don’t do promo. Why would this be any different? 

5 minutes ago, Martin Riggs said:

Yeah it appears their idea of great promotion (and probably why it was delayed a week) was to give Audacy rock stations in the USA the song exclusively to play one day before it officially came out. It also seems based on Audacy’s description of the song that they may be trying to mislead people that this is a new song that Axl/Slash/Duff wrote together…

https://www.audacy.com/national/music/world-premiere-guns-n-roses-perhaps

I think it’s most likely that these songs are here to fulfill the band’s promotion requirements with these Live Nation tours. It would mean Axl doesn’t have to do press to promote shows/tours to get news cycle flowing  

I think it’s obvious by now that he doesn’t want do those types of things. Also that the band (and label if they are even involved outside of distribution) do not want to spend $ and the internal time to promote it any further 

There will be a few social media posts and then perhaps some physical media to push to the fans at some point

It’s a good song. I wish they’d release whatever else they have  

As far as it being radio friendly or any thoughts of GnR capturing some part of the cultural zeitgeist? None of that matters and it’s a pretty high bar for those types of expectations or hope. Who listens to radio? 

It’s “success” or however you want to measure it shouldn’t matter to us. It’s impossible to compare to the past. Do you enjoy the song or not? 

3 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said:

Getting torn to pieces on FB article comment sections ... The casuals have spoken ... They hate it!

Comment sections tend to be negative in general 

16 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

It's a Firebird, he's been using it for Catcher since 2016 I think. He's got a signature one with Epiphone, but I assume he's playing a Gibson live. Pretty sure he used it on another song in 2016-17 but I can't remember which one...

Gibson did a custom shop Firebird for him when they released the Epiphone version. There’s actually two different finishes for the custom shop release 

1. There are numerous big time artists who have managers that are close family members or friends. There’s a level of trust that needs to be there for success. Every artist has different needs and that determines what they need from management 

2. Axl/GNR has had professional management before. They had the top manager in the business. It didn’t end well. It didn’t solve much of the issues that seem to surround the group, tours, albums, and the relationship with the fanbase as well.

3. Good management takes directive from the artist and knows when to interject as well. Ultimately they are there to carry out a vision. None of us know exactly what that is 

4. Nothing is perfect, but we’ve gotten numerous tours with the band showing up on time, a reunited lineup, new music, live dvd, and fan club releases during their tenure. They haven’t been a roadblock for things to happen. Those things didn’t happen consistently under previous management 

5. Sometimes the criticism of Fernando/Beta crosses the line of role/relationship and goes elsewhere in underlying ways. Not saying it’s anyone in here, but it has at times.
 

6. There are issues between management and this part of the fanbase. Something that they don’t seem the need to try and address anymore. It’s a shame they can’t/won’t engage and nurture this part of the base. It is what it is. Perhaps at this time, they don’t need to 

3 minutes ago, AtlasShrugged said:

Yeah I'm heading after work so have a light rain jacket in case. If the rain starts after 3-4 beers in I'll be grand! Is it a tough place to get out of? Going for the first time from Downtown Brooklyn

 

It will be a crowd either car or train. People will leave at the encore 

Just now, AtlasShrugged said:

Weather keeps changing. Giving a slight chance literally during gig times on my phone. Hopefully it changes

It’s going to keep changing all day. Hopefully it’s nothing too bad. I’ll be there tonight. MetLife is isolated so shows can go long.

Show poster looks cool. Fortus posted it. Don’t think I can get there in time to grab one though. Might have to be eBay unless someone here wants to help out 

9 minutes ago, Gibson87 said:

They removed it 

Well it’s Monday morning so kind of expected. Nobody was working or willing to fix it on a weekend. Yesterday was the window to hear it 

Now we know that it exists and it was ready for release. Hopefully they put it out there soon 

Just blasted Mix is good. Axl way in front and clear. Duff has some signatures bass lines, some moving guitar riffs. Guitars seem to have replaced the ooo’s. Otherwise a low voice on the chorus that we haven’t heard yet 

BTW I heard this at a bar alone through TouchTunes. Don’t have anything 

Also, the only people playing this song on TouchTunes are people in this forum and the type of people who are seeking it out. 
 

This doesn’t really ruin much of their overall release plans or far reaching strategy 

My local bar down the street is probably still “open” from last night. Im gonna swing by before playing by some hoop 

Just now, Stay.Of.Execution said:

could this be intentional then?

There’s so many moving parts with uploading songs to these servers/distributors and getting ready for a release on multiple platforms. Sometimes things just slip by. Especially if it’s a last min decision to delay things 

2 minutes ago, guitarpatch said:

Oh I can definitely see them pulling up the app to see an open jukebox in the area, walk down , and then play it to see if it’s true 

Also if they were smart/or allowed, they’d record a video of Duff, Slash or Axl doing this, listening to part of the song and then make light of the situation on social media 

1 minute ago, Stryker said:

I doubt anyone in GnRs camp is going to a bar with TouchTunes lol

Oh I can definitely see them pulling up the app to see an open jukebox in the area, walk down , and then play it to see if it’s true 

7 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

A few hours ago, a member here accidentally discovered that Perhaps came up in the search results on a phone app called TouchTunes Jukeboxes, which is a streaming service that plays music in bar juke boxes (I guess UMG either forgot about this service or just didn't mind it, because a release is imminent). So people drove to bars near them, had the song played and recorded it on their phones, and it has now leaked, even if it's a low quality phone recording with background noise.

Hilarious stuff, on par with the history of this band and its fanbase

The way this really plays out historically is that it gets pulled from Touchtunes and then never gets released. Leaving fans with phone recordings of the song with bar chatter in the background as the only source for years 

1 minute ago, Sweersa said:

Lol

Imagine happening to see Axl at a bar, and someone playing that song without him being aware it’s out. 

The crew is in NYC. I can imagine Del at a bar today after hearing the news and playing it on TouchTunes 

Just now, Cosmo said:

Why would that impact the release of a “new” GnR single?

Slash and Duff were in VR and have a relationship with the photographer. A single release could have buried any PR or social media posts they shared for that announcement 

2 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

For a limited (500 copies) edition book?

As a courtesy? Maybe

1 minute ago, GS67 said:

??

Ross Halfin started pre-orders for his Velvet Revolver book on Friday 

Honestly the VR book might have been reason enough to push things back as well. Perhaps they did it as a favor 

41 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

It's really kind of astonishing that companies that work with GN'R have made so many gaffes in a row in the past few days. And these are professionals, they're not Team Brazil. First the accidental posting on Linkedin by GN'R's social media partners. Then Universal with the countdown test page and the jukebox app (because the label handles the distribution of the music and deals with the streaming services, not TB).

So either it's a plan or these companies have assigned GN'R to their least competent employees. Or maybe they're simply unlucky, because only this fanbase would find out about that stuff

Obviously this was an oversight or a mistake 

However these things can happen when you operate in this fashion. Pulling singles last minute, having a part of the fanbase who’s constantly looking for nuggets of info since the band is mostly silent, etc…

It creates extra work and combing through an entire release plan last minute. It leaves a lot more room for error when things move in this fashion.

Other artists don’t typically work this way and don’t have to worry about fanbases combing for info

5 minutes ago, Jw224 said:

It is in the band's destiny to mess up any promo opportunity so that they can release the song like a wet fart with nobody caring. 

They could do promo for months for a new song or album and nobody will care.
 

No one outside of this community and small group of people, who would find it anyways,  cares about new GNR music in 2023.  GNR is a legacy touring act and people go to shows to see Axl and Slash play the hits and relive their youth 

3 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Illusions were not supposed to be cohesive. The were supposed to be exactly what they were. The only statement behind those albums was something like: "Let's throw everything in there, from childish stuff written long before AFD to complex piano driven songs and whatever else was written by each member after AFD. And we can afford to do that White Album type* thing because we're GN'R".

* I mean just the concept, not implying by any means that UYI was at the same level of quality as the White Album.

UYI was more of we should empty the vault and get everything out before the band implodes and/or someone dies. There wasn’t much thought of holding songs back and developing anything for a follow up