Record label delayed Chidem in hopes for reunion.

[gnrfan2007]

Actually, fans have been calling Slash a PROSTITUE (whore) long before the song with the same title was known for CD.

So it has nothing to do with Axl.

But Axl is not a PROSTITUTE (unlike Slash).

We still doing this? Axl calls him that and you guys jump all over it and go along. Sad.

[gnrfan2007]

Clearly, there are some folks here he still defend Slash like he is some saint with musical integrity.

But Axl is not a PROSTITUTE (unlike Slash).

We still doing this? Axl calls him that and you guys jump all over it and go along. Sad.

He takes pot shots at Slash in the majority of his posts... I agree it is sad...

[WhazUp]

Clearly, there are some folks here he still defend Slash like he is some saint with musical integrity.

Lol i am the one who constantly says that both Axl and Slash are part of the problem. But I don't feel the need to be immature about it and bash anyone 24/7.... it truly is sad how immature some posters can be

Edited October 23, 2011 by WhazUp

[sleeper]

Clearly, there are some folks here he still defend Slash like he is some saint with musical integrity.

But Axl is not a PROSTITUTE (unlike Slash).

We still doing this? Axl calls him that and you guys jump all over it and go along. Sad.

He takes pot shots at Slash in the majority of his posts... I agree it is sad...

This was a decent discussion and then you had to start with your uninformed shit! Grow up fool if you cannot defend Axl without talking shit about Slash stay off the damn board. When this thread falls apart consider yourself the cause.

[CheapJon]

But Axl is not a PROSTITUTE (unlike Slash).

We still doing this? Axl calls him that and you guys jump all over it and go along. Sad.

said?

[gnrfan2007]

What problem is Axl a part of? It's because of Axl GnR is alive and doing extremely well.

If it isn't clear to you let me try to spell it out for you what the OP was saying with this thread.

1. The record company wanted Slash back in the band because it would be much easier to market and sell the new record to the GnR fan base. It would take very little effort and money to sell the record to the GnR fan base. The record alone would sell at minimum 5 million copies just by having Axl and Slash perform on one song. That's GUARANTEED MONEY. No big financial risk involved here by the record company.

2. So, Axl had to prove to the record company that GnR can still sell BIG to the GnR fan base without Slash. Subsequently, Axl wanted to prove that [new] GnR can get new YOUNGER fans as well, that GnR can appeal to the new generation.

3. Slash knew full well the record company wanted him back in the band.

4. Slash did every thing he could to stay in the GnR spotlight because he knew that as long as the GnR fans were convinced Axl kicked him out of the band and that Axl was the one who broke up the classic lineup, Axl would have a very difficult time moving forward with the band in terms of convincing the record company that [new] GnR can succeed.

5. In other words, Slash wanted to see Axl FAIL and come crawling back to him.

Clearly, there are some folks here he still defend Slash like he is some saint with musical integrity.

Lol i am the one who constantly says that both Axl and Slash are part of the problem. But I don't feel the need to be immature about it and bash anyone 24/7.... it truly is sad how immature some posters can be

Edited October 23, 2011 by gnrfan2007

[Kill Devil Hill]

Clearly, there are some folks here he still defend Slash like he is some saint with musical integrity.

But Axl is not a PROSTITUTE (unlike Slash).

We still doing this? Axl calls him that and you guys jump all over it and go along. Sad.

He takes pot shots at Slash in the majority of his posts... I agree it is sad...

Translates to

Respecting anybody other than people Axl likes is wrong!!!!1111

[gnrfan2007]

Uninformed shit? LOL

It's perfectly revelant to this thread.

If you can't see how Slash has tried to sabotage Axl and GnR, then you are uninformed!

Slash knew perfectly well that the record company would not release the new GnR album (Chinese Democracy) until Axl brought Slash back into the band. Now add the fact that Slash admitted to allowing his anger and resentment of Axl get the best of him, then it should be perfectly clear why Slash said the things he said and did the things he did in regards to GnR through out the years.

Slash wanted GnR to fail so that Axl would come crawling back to him - just like the record company had wished.

This was a decent discussion and then you had to start with your uninformed shit! Grow up fool if you cannot defend Axl without talking shit about Slash stay off the damn board. When this thread falls apart consider yourself the cause.

[Kill Devil Hill]

Great fanfic!

[sleeper]

Great fanfic!

[gnrfan2007]

1. They still haven't officially toured the US with Chinese Democracy released.

2. So, from a business point of view, they have to exhaust all avenues to *milk the cow* so to speak in terms of selling as much Chinese Democracy albums as possible before a new album is released. Most likely, they are probably legally obligated to help Best Buy maximize their profits. And right now, touring is the only means GnR has for promoting the record.

3. CD sold over 2.6M units as of February 2009, roughly a year and few months after its release. It's almost November 2011. You telling me you don't think with all the success they have been having touring that they can't sell 2.4M more records 2 years later? The diehard GnR fan base in the USA alone is 5M.

Your right the record companies are all about money and since they already paid for the other 2 albums of material why don't they release it?

And according to all credible sources, not some person claiming to work for Universal Chile hearing it through the grapevine, ChiDem has sold between 3-3.5 million world wide not 5 million units

[Kill Devil Hill]

1. They still haven't officially toured the US with Chinese Democracy released.

2. So, from a business point of view, they have to exhaust all avenues to *milk the cow* so to speak in terms of selling as much Chinese Democracy albums as possible before a new album is released. Most likely, they are probably legally obligated to help Best Buy maximize their profits. And right now, touring is the only means GnR has for promoting the record.

3. CD sold over 2.6M units as of February 2009, roughly a year and few months after its release. It's almost November 2011. You telling me you don't think with all the success they have been having touring that they can't sell 2.4M more records 2 years later? The diehard GnR fan base in the USA alone is 5M.

Your right the record companies are all about money and since they already paid for the other 2 albums of material why don't they release it?

And according to all credible sources, not some person claiming to work for Universal Chile hearing it through the grapevine, ChiDem has sold between 3-3.5 million world wide not 5 million units

You should work for Blabbermouth.

You're taking everything and twisting it. Slash didn't have the foresight that badmouthing GN'R would lead to them being unsuccessful. He didn't even have the foresight that if he drank too much, he'd wet himself. You're telling everything slanted, making assumptions you don't have the knowledge to make, tying together ideas that have almost nothing to do with each other. Read the Kyle Anderson article in the other thread. This is the exact same thing, except you're berating a different person. Can't you see how skewed posts like these are?

How can you say Slash is a shit guitar player when Axl has personally praised him time and time again? You're contradicting yourself. If Axl's always right, you have to acknowledge the talent that oozes out of Slash's fingers. Otherwise, you're insulting Axl. So, you see, you're in a lose-lose situation.

Slash has made monumental contributions to Guns N' Roses. Don't like him anymore? Fine. But how you can have no respect for his Guns work is beyond me.

Get in the ring, motherfucker.

[gnrfan2007]

Maybe I do work for Blabbermouth? LMAO

Make no mistake about it, Slash wanted Axl, and thus GnR, to FAIL! No matter how you interpret the events that occurred, at the core of Slash's anger and resentment was the desire for Axl to fail.

If Slash truly had good wishes for Axl and GnR, Slash would have never said or done the things he did. And Slash knew perfectly well how to hurt Axl. He knew perfectly well what the record company wanted.

There are simply no other ways you can justify why Slash said and did the things he did throughout the years. A more professional person, would have wished nothing but the best for Axl and GnR - and moved on. Izzy moved on. Duff moved on. Matt moved on. Gilby moved on. Heck, even Steven moved on [sort of].

But Slash just couldn't let it go. It was only after Axl had succeeded, did Slash finally changed his angry and resentful tune towards Axl. But it's too little too late.

Axl sings it best in the song "Sorry":

You chose to hurt those that love you

And won't set them free

You should work for Blabbermouth.

You're taking everything and twisting it. Slash didn't have the foresight that badmouthing GN'R would lead to them being unsuccessful. He didn't even have the foresight that if he drank too much, he'd wet himself. You're telling everything slanted, making assumptions you don't have the knowledge to make, tying together ideas that have almost nothing to do with each other. Read the Kyle Anderson article in the other thread. This is the exact same thing, except you're berating a different person. Can't you see how skewed posts like these are?

How can you say Slash is a shit guitar player when Axl has personally praised him time and time again? You're contradicting yourself. If Axl's always right, you have to acknowledge the talent that oozes out of Slash's fingers. Otherwise, you're insulting Axl. So, you see, you're in a lose-lose situation.

Slash has made monumental contributions to Guns N' Roses. Don't like him anymore? Fine. But how you can have no respect for his Guns work is beyond me.

Get in the ring, motherfucker.

Edited October 23, 2011 by gnrfan2007

[AxlRose14]

Actually, fans have been calling Slash a PROSTITUE (whore) long before the song with the same title was known for CD.

So it has nothing to do with Axl.

But Axl is not a PROSTITUTE (unlike Slash).

We still doing this? Axl calls him that and you guys jump all over it and go along. Sad.

Slash is a prostitue and a liar...well known facts

Maybe I do work for Blabbermouth? LMAO

Make no mistake about it, Slash wanted Axl, and thus GnR, to FAIL! No matter how you interpret the events that occurred, at the core of Slash's anger and resentment was the desire for Axl to fail.

If Slash truly had good wishes for Axl and GnR, Slash would have never said or done the things he did. And Slash knew perfectly well how to hurt Axl. He knew perfectly well what the record company wanted.

There are simply no other ways you can justify why Slash said and did the things he did throughout the years. A more professional person, would have wished nothing but the best for Axl and GnR - and moved on. Izzy moved on. Duff moved on. Matt moved on. Gilby moved on. Heck, even Steven moved on [sort of].

But Slash just couldn't let it go. It was only after Axl had succeeded, did Slash finally changed his angry and resentful tune towards Axl. But it's too little too late.

Axl sings it best in the song "Sorry":

You chose to hurt those that love you

And won't set them free

You should work for Blabbermouth.

You're taking everything and twisting it. Slash didn't have the foresight that badmouthing GN'R would lead to them being unsuccessful. He didn't even have the foresight that if he drank too much, he'd wet himself. You're telling everything slanted, making assumptions you don't have the knowledge to make, tying together ideas that have almost nothing to do with each other. Read the Kyle Anderson article in the other thread. This is the exact same thing, except you're berating a different person. Can't you see how skewed posts like these are?

How can you say Slash is a shit guitar player when Axl has personally praised him time and time again? You're contradicting yourself. If Axl's always right, you have to acknowledge the talent that oozes out of Slash's fingers. Otherwise, you're insulting Axl. So, you see, you're in a lose-lose situation.

Slash has made monumental contributions to Guns N' Roses. Don't like him anymore? Fine. But how you can have no respect for his Guns work is beyond me.

Get in the ring, motherfucker.

/thread

Slash passsed over corey taylor for velvet revolver cuz he knows taylor woulda outshined his overrated ass...his ego is just as bad as axls if not worse.

This post by you says it all..defend slash all you want just ur pissed off at axl for ripping u off of a ticket in 1992, but this post says it all

[WhazUp]

Actually, fans have been calling Slash a PROSTITUE (whore) long before the song with the same title was known for CD.

So it has nothing to do with Axl.

But Axl is not a PROSTITUTE (unlike Slash).

We still doing this? Axl calls him that and you guys jump all over it and go along. Sad.

Slash is a prostitue and a liar...well known facts

Maybe I do work for Blabbermouth? LMAO

Make no mistake about it, Slash wanted Axl, and thus GnR, to FAIL! No matter how you interpret the events that occurred, at the core of Slash's anger and resentment was the desire for Axl to fail.

If Slash truly had good wishes for Axl and GnR, Slash would have never said or done the things he did. And Slash knew perfectly well how to hurt Axl. He knew perfectly well what the record company wanted.

There are simply no other ways you can justify why Slash said and did the things he did throughout the years. A more professional person, would have wished nothing but the best for Axl and GnR - and moved on. Izzy moved on. Duff moved on. Matt moved on. Gilby moved on. Heck, even Steven moved on [sort of].

But Slash just couldn't let it go. It was only after Axl had succeeded, did Slash finally changed his angry and resentful tune towards Axl. But it's too little too late.

Axl sings it best in the song "Sorry":

You chose to hurt those that love you

And won't set them free

You should work for Blabbermouth.

You're taking everything and twisting it. Slash didn't have the foresight that badmouthing GN'R would lead to them being unsuccessful. He didn't even have the foresight that if he drank too much, he'd wet himself. You're telling everything slanted, making assumptions you don't have the knowledge to make, tying together ideas that have almost nothing to do with each other. Read the Kyle Anderson article in the other thread. This is the exact same thing, except you're berating a different person. Can't you see how skewed posts like these are?

How can you say Slash is a shit guitar player when Axl has personally praised him time and time again? You're contradicting yourself. If Axl's always right, you have to acknowledge the talent that oozes out of Slash's fingers. Otherwise, you're insulting Axl. So, you see, you're in a lose-lose situation.

Slash has made monumental contributions to Guns N' Roses. Don't like him anymore? Fine. But how you can have no respect for his Guns work is beyond me.

Get in the ring, motherfucker.

/thread

Slash passsed over corey taylor for velvet revolver cuz he knows taylor woulda outshined his overrated ass...his ego is just as bad as axls if not worse.

This post by you says it all..defend slash all you want just ur pissed off at axl for ripping u off of a ticket in 1992, but this post says it all

Another one? Seriously?

[sleeper]

Actually, fans have been calling Slash a PROSTITUE (whore) long before the song with the same title was known for CD.

So it has nothing to do with Axl.

But Axl is not a PROSTITUTE (unlike Slash).

We still doing this? Axl calls him that and you guys jump all over it and go along. Sad.

Slash is a prostitue and a liar...well known facts

Maybe I do work for Blabbermouth? LMAO

Make no mistake about it, Slash wanted Axl, and thus GnR, to FAIL! No matter how you interpret the events that occurred, at the core of Slash's anger and resentment was the desire for Axl to fail.

If Slash truly had good wishes for Axl and GnR, Slash would have never said or done the things he did. And Slash knew perfectly well how to hurt Axl. He knew perfectly well what the record company wanted.

There are simply no other ways you can justify why Slash said and did the things he did throughout the years. A more professional person, would have wished nothing but the best for Axl and GnR - and moved on. Izzy moved on. Duff moved on. Matt moved on. Gilby moved on. Heck, even Steven moved on [sort of].

But Slash just couldn't let it go. It was only after Axl had succeeded, did Slash finally changed his angry and resentful tune towards Axl. But it's too little too late.

Axl sings it best in the song "Sorry":

You chose to hurt those that love you

And won't set them free

You should work for Blabbermouth.

You're taking everything and twisting it. Slash didn't have the foresight that badmouthing GN'R would lead to them being unsuccessful. He didn't even have the foresight that if he drank too much, he'd wet himself. You're telling everything slanted, making assumptions you don't have the knowledge to make, tying together ideas that have almost nothing to do with each other. Read the Kyle Anderson article in the other thread. This is the exact same thing, except you're berating a different person. Can't you see how skewed posts like these are?

How can you say Slash is a shit guitar player when Axl has personally praised him time and time again? You're contradicting yourself. If Axl's always right, you have to acknowledge the talent that oozes out of Slash's fingers. Otherwise, you're insulting Axl. So, you see, you're in a lose-lose situation.

Slash has made monumental contributions to Guns N' Roses. Don't like him anymore? Fine. But how you can have no respect for his Guns work is beyond me.

Get in the ring, motherfucker.

/thread

Slash passsed over corey taylor for velvet revolver cuz he knows taylor woulda outshined his overrated ass...his ego is just as bad as axls if not worse.

This post by you says it all..defend slash all you want just ur pissed off at axl for ripping u off of a ticket in 1992, but this post says it all

Another one? Seriously?

Like somesone said there are some really good fiction writers online today.

Uninformed shit? LOL

It's perfectly revelant to this thread.

If you can't see how Slash has tried to sabotage Axl and GnR, then you are uninformed!

Slash knew perfectly well that the record company would not release the new GnR album (Chinese Democracy) until Axl brought Slash back into the band. Now add the fact that Slash admitted to allowing his anger and resentment of Axl get the best of him, then it should be perfectly clear why Slash said the things he said and did the things he did in regards to GnR through out the years.

Slash wanted GnR to fail so that Axl would come crawling back to him - just like the record company had wished.

This was a decent discussion and then you had to start with your uninformed shit! Grow up fool if you cannot defend Axl without talking shit about Slash stay off the damn board. When this thread falls apart consider yourself the cause.

Damn I knew that Slash was behind all the trouble Axl has been having! he comes off as all innocent but he is one devious motherfucker...................

Lol yeah to hear some tell it.

[Kill Devil Hill]

Maybe I do work for Blabbermouth?

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. In that case, I change all of my replies to you to, "Fuck you!"

[WhazUp]

This thread was going pretty well. Its a shame certain posters feel like ruining it with their need to insult a certain guitar player over and over again.

[Gagarin]

The 2001/2002 tour was the first attempt by GnR to prove to the record company that they can still *sell* records without Slash. The tour as a whole - mostly outside the USA - did sell well, but Axl's performance was not at his best. Because of this, Axl had to pull the plug on the tour and regroup because the record company sure as hell was not going to allow him to release CD, especially with how poorly things were in the USA market.

So at that time, for GnR, it was a matter of simply *living another day in order to have a BETTER CHANCE to succeed*.

After regrouping, GnR resurfaced in 2006 better prepared.

The 2006-2008 tour was not about getting more money to finish the album, unless Axl was personally using his OWN paycheque from the tour to put finishing touches on CD. The 2006 tour was about once again proving to the record company that GnR could still *sell*.

Just imagine if the 2006-2008 tours never happened, or that the tour did very poorly?

You really think Best Buy would buy the record distribution deal for $14M dollars?

No!

Because the 2006-2008 tours were a HUGE success, the record company was able to secure $14M for CD from Best Buy.

^This post borders on fan fiction.

GNR toured in 2001/2002 because the album would be out soon - at least that was the intention when the dates were setup. It didn't work out that way.

GNR toured in 2006 because the album COULD be finished soon, and they needed money to finish said album.

Dude. No.

Clear Channel pulled the plug on the 2002 tour. No show to Philly (or premature cancellation, or whatever the spin was). Riot.

Riot in Vancouver because he was late and the building cancelled the show.

2 riots. Insurance might have pulled out. Lawsuits were making it a liability. Losing 2 shows could have meant Clear Channel wasn't even going to break even.

And then there was a stand off because there was money owed by someone because of the cancellation - lawyers wrangled over that for years. GNR didn't, or couldn't, give back their advance and Clear Channel didn't want to lose any more money.

No regrouping because Axl's performances weren't the best.

http://www.gnrontour.com/sets2002/20021206articles.html - regrouping aka "riot".

In 2006 (they didn't tour in 2008) they toured to raise money to complete the album - which would be completed and released while they were on tour/between legs. Merck's fan letter explained this. And so did Axl's. And yes, Axl HAD been paying recording costs himself by that point. That's a well known fact. He was cut off sometime in 2004.

2006 better prepared, maybe, but they also only secured a replacement for Buckethead weeks before the first show.

So, that doesn't work either.

Your fan fiction doesn't work.

Concert tickets don't equal album sales, either, my friend.

Edited October 23, 2011 by Gagarin

[gnrfan2007]

Oh shiet ... you caught me! You had MORE time on your hand to do your research! LMAO

Except the only thing you really supported was the fact that GnR had to raise their own funds to finish CD by going on tour during 2006-2008. Which I never rejected fully! I'm pretty sure the only member in the band that took a paycut was Axl.

The problem is still as it always has been with the record company: the record company was still convince GnR needed Slash back in the band in order to sell lots of records to the GnR fan base.

That was the gun they were holding to Axl's head.

If Axl's funding ended in 2004 as some claimed, then why else did GnR need to go on tour in 2001-2002, if not to prove to the record company that GnR could still sell *without* Slash?

If GnR still needed funding in 2006 to complete CD, a logical guess could be made that they still needed more funding in 2001 as well. Maybe not necessarily more funding to complete recording the album, but more funding to properly promote and distribute the album the way GnR wanted.

Because it makes no sense at all for GnR to go on tour in 2001-2002, if they weren't either trying to raise more funds or trying to prove to the record company they can still sell lots of records.

So there was clearly a hold up at the record company during 2001-2002 that prevented CD from being released at that time.

And what was Slash doing during all this mess?

He was getting himself involved with GnR's business by saying things in the media and attempting to show up to GnR gigs. Why would Slash do such stupid things like these?

Simple. As Slash stated in his book, Slash knew full well the record company wanted him back in the band.

Slash was making Axl's situation with the record company harder with his actions. Slash knew perfectly well what he was doing.

If you don't think any of Slash's actions at the time made Axl's situation tougher, then let's hear your explanation.

If you can honestly argue that Slash, who admitted to being angry and resentful, did not want Axl to FAIL, then lets hear it.

As Axl stated, Slash said and did a lot of things that could never be forgiven or fixed. That's a pretty big statement. And what could Slash have done so terrible to warrant such a strong statement like this? Oh, perhaps, Slash's actions made it tougher for him to complete CD? Maybe? You betcha ya, there is something to that effect!

Enjoy that fan fiction! LMAO

Dude. No.

Clear Channel pulled the plug on the 2002 tour. No show to Philly (or premature cancellation, or whatever the spin was). Riot.

Riot in Vancouver because he was late and the building cancelled the show.

2 riots. Insurance might have pulled out. Lawsuits were making it a liability. Losing 2 shows could have meant Clear Channel wasn't even going to break even.

And then there was a stand off because there was money owed by someone because of the cancellation - lawyers wrangled over that for years. GNR didn't, or couldn't, give back their advance and Clear Channel didn't want to lose any more money.

No regrouping because Axl's performances weren't the best.

http://www.gnrontour.com/sets2002/20021206articles.html - regrouping aka "riot".

In 2006 (they didn't tour in 2008) they toured to raise money to complete the album - which would be completed and released while they were on tour/between legs. Merck's fan letter explained this. And so did Axl's. And yes, Axl HAD been paying recording costs himself by that point. That's a well known fact. He was cut off sometime in 2004.

2006 better prepared, maybe, but they also only secured a replacement for Buckethead weeks before the first show.

So, that doesn't work either.

Your fan fiction doesn't work.

Concert tickets don't equal album sales, either, my friend.

[Gagarin]

Oh shiet ... you caught me! You had MORE time on your hand to do your research! LMAO

Except the only thing you really supported was the fact that GnR had to raise their own funds to finish CD by going on tour during 2006-2008. Which I never rejected fully! I'm pretty sure the only member in the band that took a paycut was Axl.

The problem is still as it always has been with the record company: the record company was still convince GnR needed Slash back in the band in order to sell lots of records to the GnR fan base.

That was the gun they were holding to Axl's head.

If Axl's funding ended in 2004 as some claimed, then why else did GnR need to go on tour in 2001-2002, if not to prove to the record company that GnR could still sell *without* Slash?

If GnR still needed funding in 2006 to complete CD, a logical guess could be made that they still needed more funding in 2001 as well. Maybe not necessarily more funding to complete recording the album, but more funding to properly promote and distribute the album the way GnR wanted.

Because it makes no sense at all for GnR to go on tour in 2001-2002, if they weren't either trying to raise more funds or trying to prove to the record company they can still sell lots of records.

So there was clearly a hold up at the record company during 2001-2002 that prevented CD from being released at that time.

And what was Slash doing during all this mess?

He was getting himself involved with GnR's business by saying things in the media and attempting to show up to GnR gigs. Why would Slash do such stupid things like these?

Simple. As Slash stated in his book, Slash knew full well the record company wanted him back in the band.

Slash was making Axl's situation with the record company harder with his actions. Slash knew perfectly well what he was doing.

If you don't think any of Slash's actions at the time made Axl's situation tougher, then let's hear your explanation.

If you can honestly argue that Slash, who admitted to being angry and resentful, did not want Axl to FAIL, then lets hear it.

As Axl stated, Slash said and did a lot of things that could never be forgiven or fixed. That's a pretty big statement. And what could Slash have done so terrible to warrant such a strong statement like this? Oh, perhaps, Slash's actions made it tougher for him to complete CD? Maybe? You betcha ya, there is something to that effect!

Enjoy that fan fiction! LMAO

Research?

It's called "I remember it" because I was following the band. I almost went to a show in 2002 and then didn't because I was sure they'd circle around again in a few months when school was out...you can bet I never made that mistake again.

No research at all.

Who the hell cares about what Slash felt, wanted, or hoped for?

You're basic "facts" are wrong in all your theories.

Why did they go on tour in 2001/2002? Because... the record was GOING TO COME OUT. They were CONFIDENT of this. But then it didn't. In fact it was turned in and rejected according to some accounts. Early in 2002 a producer was fired/quit and a bunch of orchestrations were added to the tracks. Geffen A&R people were looking at a 2002 release. When things didn't happen that way - it was still thought things could get done that year... or early in the next. Didn't happen.

It wasn't about proving anything to anyone. Geffen wanted that record out THEN.

Why don't you do some "research" and fill in the gaps of your memory, instead of writing a bunch of things you can't prove, don't know about, and no one would believe?

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=3543

[gnrfan2007]

Scratch my ballz and lick my azz silly why don't ya!

LMAO!

So in 2001, they went on tour. But then in 2002, the CD record was rejected by the record company? Really?!

That seems to support Marc's claims that the record company was afraid to take a risk on the album without Slash back in the band. And with the poor concert showings in the USA, the record company was even more nervous!

Imagine if GnR had sold out every arena in the USA. You really think the record company would have rejected CD?

Hence, why the record company rejected the album in hopes that Axl would allow Slash back into the band. Obviously, the record company must have believed Axl was the only one preventing Slash from returning. They somehow must have known that Slash would return if Axl asked.

Remember that from 1996 to about 2006, many fans still believed Axl *fired* Slash and Duff.

So once again, you haven't exonerated Slash for any of his ill-willed actions towards GnR! The mostly likely motive for Slash's actions was to SABOTAGE Axl's attempts to release a new GnR album without him because he knew what Marc knew about Axl's situation with the record company.

It wouldn't even surprise me if Axl someday reveals that Slash was working with the record company to get his *old* job back too!

Hence, the lyrics to songs like "Sorry".

How was that fan fiction?!

LOL

Research?

It's called "I remember it" because I was following the band. I almost went to a show in 2002 and then didn't because I was sure they'd circle around again in a few months when school was out...you can bet I never made that mistake again.

No research at all.

Who the hell cares about what Slash felt, wanted, or hoped for?

You're basic "facts" are wrong in all your theories.

Why did they go on tour in 2001/2002? Because... the record was GOING TO COME OUT. They were CONFIDENT of this. But then it didn't. In fact it was turned in and rejected according to some accounts. Early in 2002 a producer was fired/quit and a bunch of orchestrations were added to the tracks. Geffen A&R people were looking at a 2002 release. When things didn't happen that way - it was still thought things could get done that year... or early in the next. Didn't happen.

It wasn't about proving anything to anyone. Geffen wanted that record out THEN.

Why don't you do some "research" and fill in the gaps of your memory, instead of writing a bunch of things you can't prove, don't know about, and no one would believe?

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=3543

Edited October 24, 2011 by gnrfan2007

[Gagarin]

Some said it was rejected basically because it was felt it didn't have any 'hits'. It might have actually been rejected in 2000.

Producer Bob Ezrin said he thought (when he was brought in in 2000) that the record only have 3 good songs.

By 2002 there was no Sorry, no Better, probably no Shacklers, probably no Scraped, probably no If The World. This I Love may have been shelved.

But the overwhelming other side of the evidence is that Axl simply didn't have it done in time - it wasn't turned in. He kept adding (even after he said it was time to wrap things up). Fortus added parts. Fink wrote more. Bucket kept working. Axl was slowly putting vocals in. When Bucket quit in 2004 because nothing was happening, it had to have been cataclysmic. HE WAS the sound of Chinese at that point.

Everyone actually close to it never brings up Slash as a material issue.

Scratch my ballz and lick my azz silly why don't ya!

LMAO!

So in 2001, they went on tour. But then in 2002, the CD record was rejected by the record company? Really?!

That seems to support Marc's claims that the record company was afraid to take a risk on the album without Slash back in the band. And with the poor concert showings in the USA, the record company was even more nervous!

Imagine if GnR had sold out every arena in the USA. You really think the record company would have rejected CD?

Hence, why the record company rejected the album in hopes that Axl would allow Slash back into the band. Obviously, the record company must have believed Axl was the only one preventing Slash from returning. They somehow must have known that Slash would return if Axl asked.

Remember that from 1996 to about 2006, many fans still believed Axl *fired* Slash and Duff.

So once again, you haven't exonerated Slash for any of his ill-willed actions towards GnR! The mostly likely motive for Slash's actions was to SABOTAGE Axl's attempts to release a new GnR album without him because he knew what Marc knew about Axl's situation with the record company.

It wouldn't even surprise me if Axl someday reveals that Slash was working with the record company to get his *old* job back too!

Hence, the lyrics to songs like "Sorry".

How was that fan fiction?!

LOL

Research?

It's called "I remember it" because I was following the band. I almost went to a show in 2002 and then didn't because I was sure they'd circle around again in a few months when school was out...you can bet I never made that mistake again.

No research at all.

Who the hell cares about what Slash felt, wanted, or hoped for?

You're basic "facts" are wrong in all your theories.

Why did they go on tour in 2001/2002? Because... the record was GOING TO COME OUT. They were CONFIDENT of this. But then it didn't. In fact it was turned in and rejected according to some accounts. Early in 2002 a producer was fired/quit and a bunch of orchestrations were added to the tracks. Geffen A&R people were looking at a 2002 release. When things didn't happen that way - it was still thought things could get done that year... or early in the next. Didn't happen.

It wasn't about proving anything to anyone. Geffen wanted that record out THEN.

Why don't you do some "research" and fill in the gaps of your memory, instead of writing a bunch of things you can't prove, don't know about, and no one would believe?

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=3543

Edited October 24, 2011 by Gagarin

[YOUCOULDBEMINE.]

This thread delivers.

And not 1 of you said anything that is true about it, but that's just my guess.

People here talk like they were involved in producing the album.

Please, leave this thread for what it is before it's too late.

[dalsh327]

1. They still haven't officially toured the US with Chinese Democracy released.

2. So, from a business point of view, they have to exhaust all avenues to *milk the cow* so to speak in terms of selling as much Chinese Democracy albums as possible before a new album is released. Most likely, they are probably legally obligated to help Best Buy maximize their profits. And right now, touring is the only means GnR has for promoting the record.

3. CD sold over 2.6M units as of February 2009, roughly a year and few months after its release. It's almost November 2011. You telling me you don't think with all the success they have been having touring that they can't sell 2.4M more records 2 years later? The diehard GnR fan base in the USA alone is 5M.

Your right the record companies are all about money and since they already paid for the other 2 albums of material why don't they release it?

And according to all credible sources, not some person claiming to work for Universal Chile hearing it through the grapevine, ChiDem has sold between 3-3.5 million world wide not 5 million units

It's probable this tour is to deal with Azoff, and to wind down touring for this album. They knew the US market was also going to be the most hit and miss for ticket sales, but they've done fine before, and they'll do fine again. The audience that will be there will be as enthusiastic as everywhere else. I'm sure the band's enthusiastic too, just unsure of what kind of turnout there's going to be. Some of them are without a doubt keeping tabs on sales, and some of them prob. don't want to know until the night of the show and take a look out at the crowd.

The worst thing for a band isn't empty seats as much as it is a bored crowd. Even if they're surrouded by orange, blue, or whatever color the chairs are, as long as the people in front of them are into it, so are they.

I don't think they have any deal with Best Buy anymore. Best Buy hasn't been dependent on music sales in at least 5 years, the store considered music a "loss leader" to entice people into buying consumer electronics and appliances. I mean, think about how much the store makes off of electronic products compared to music, even when they had row upon row of CDs.

Promoting music in 2002 might as well have been a lifetime ago by the time they released it 3 years ago. The entire landscape of music sales and distribution changed.

I doubt this is going to cause people to go to the stores and buy it. Most people going to see the show already have it, or are just interested in hearing the old stuff live because they love AFD and never got to see the band back in the day.