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Actually, I think the star logo on Slash's album does look similar to the Chinese Democracy logos, at least the ones from the early 2000's. I doubt he's intentionally ripping him off, but you'd think all things considered he'd avoid anything even remotely close.

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Slash has wasted the last 20 years in pettiness and bitterness. By the numerous songs he has since released he has proven that he is a great guitarist and an average songwriter. He left Guns N' Roses volunatarily because Axl refused to let him be the primary songwriter. In retrospect this was a blessing for Slash and GnR as he would have ruined the legacy of old Guns N' Roses. Axl and Izzy were the major force behind GnR, Duff was the engine, and Slash was a creative genius when he had the right song to work his magic on. But he is not a primary songwriter though and that is a big difference.

Revisionist history mate as that is not why Slash left Guns...but it fits in well with this conspiracy theory thread.......

That is straight from Duff. He just did an interview where he said Slash came in with a bunch of songs that were not good but the band was willing to work with 2 or 3 of them. Slash took his ball and did his Snakepit thing which used those 2-3 songs. he then quit for whatever reasons you cite - but he quit. Axl could not fire him. Duff stayed on for 2-3 years but left because of the slow progress of a new album and the fact that the working hours were not conducive to a family life. He also saw that Axl was not in a good state and that without Izzy who was going to write the songs. It's easy to blame everything on Axl but the fact is that is Slash didn't run away like a baby and didn't do a thousand press interviews criticizing Axl that GnR would probably be intact and probably have Izzy back by now as well.

Slash is the only person who is constantly trying to promote himself while blaming Axl for everything. Slash quit, he should be man enough to admit it and move on with his life. It's 20 years ago already!!! That is a long time - i feel bad for Slash that he can't move on with his life.

I never said Axl fired Slash only that your claim is not the reason he quit. Slash outlined his reasoning in his book and that was not the reason he cited. And Slash has moved on mate as he has released 6 albums of new music since then....sounds like you are the one who can't move on....

And you are being selective in citing why Duff left and part of it was because of Axl's meglomania......if you are going to post this stuff at least be factual....

Axl is no doubt a hard person to work with. But you don't have to quit. Slash and Duff could have as easily waited it out and refused to work on Axl's time. What's the difference? The fact is that Slash quit 15 years ago!!! yet today he refuses to let it go. He also has released 6 mediocre albums which proves he was not the primary songwriter. His ego got so big he thought he wrote the structure of those songs. The most telling thing about Slash is that he didn't even recognize the potential of the Sweet Child O' Mine rift. Slash needs someone to write songs for him and he can layer over his fantastic solos. Isn't Axl really a control freak in Slash's mind because Slash really wanted the control?

From Duff's book, it just seemed like GNR wasn't a good fit for him anymore. There were things about Axl that he didn't like, and he mentions those throughout the book. But when it came to quitting he says himself, there wasn't a huge blow up or incident, the band just wasn't getting anywhere, his new life style didn't mesh with the up all hours life style Axl had and he wanted to move on. They went out to dinner, Duff said he was done, they shook hands and that was that. Another thing I found surprising - Duff's clearly friends with Slash, but in the acknowledgements at the end of the book, Duff seems more emotional/closer in his words to Axl than Slash. Anyway, I liked a lot of VR stuff, and obviously GNR stuff, but Slash on his own does nothing for me. I wouldn't listen to or buy the VR album for months after it came out, I wanted it to suck (I'm Team Axl) but once I heard it I did give it a chance and I liked most of it...so I'm not entirely bias, I just don't care for anything Slash has done on his own. He put 6 albums out but CD is better than all of them.

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Slash has wasted the last 20 years in pettiness and bitterness. By the numerous songs he has since released he has proven that he is a great guitarist and an average songwriter. He left Guns N' Roses volunatarily because Axl refused to let him be the primary songwriter. In retrospect this was a blessing for Slash and GnR as he would have ruined the legacy of old Guns N' Roses. Axl and Izzy were the major force behind GnR, Duff was the engine, and Slash was a creative genius when he had the right song to work his magic on. But he is not a primary songwriter though and that is a big difference.

Revisionist history mate as that is not why Slash left Guns...but it fits in well with this conspiracy theory thread.......

That is straight from Duff. He just did an interview where he said Slash came in with a bunch of songs that were not good but the band was willing to work with 2 or 3 of them. Slash took his ball and did his Snakepit thing which used those 2-3 songs. he then quit for whatever reasons you cite - but he quit. Axl could not fire him. Duff stayed on for 2-3 years but left because of the slow progress of a new album and the fact that the working hours were not conducive to a family life. He also saw that Axl was not in a good state and that without Izzy who was going to write the songs. It's easy to blame everything on Axl but the fact is that is Slash didn't run away like a baby and didn't do a thousand press interviews criticizing Axl that GnR would probably be intact and probably have Izzy back by now as well.

Slash is the only person who is constantly trying to promote himself while blaming Axl for everything. Slash quit, he should be man enough to admit it and move on with his life. It's 20 years ago already!!! That is a long time - i feel bad for Slash that he can't move on with his life.

I never said Axl fired Slash only that your claim is not the reason he quit. Slash outlined his reasoning in his book and that was not the reason he cited. And Slash has moved on mate as he has released 6 albums of new music since then....sounds like you are the one who can't move on....

And you are being selective in citing why Duff left and part of it was because of Axl's meglomania......if you are going to post this stuff at least be factual....

Axl is no doubt a hard person to work with. But you don't have to quit. Slash and Duff could have as easily waited it out and refused to work on Axl's time. What's the difference? The fact is that Slash quit 15 years ago!!! yet today he refuses to let it go. He also has released 6 mediocre albums which proves he was not the primary songwriter. His ego got so big he thought he wrote the structure of those songs. The most telling thing about Slash is that he didn't even recognize the potential of the Sweet Child O' Mine rift. Slash needs someone to write songs for him and he can layer over his fantastic solos. Isn't Axl really a control freak in Slash's mind because Slash really wanted the control?

From Duff's book, it just seemed like GNR wasn't a good fit for him anymore. There were things about Axl that he didn't like, and he mentions those throughout the book. But when it came to quitting he says himself, there wasn't a huge blow up or incident, the band just wasn't getting anywhere, his new life style didn't mesh with the up all hours life style Axl had and he wanted to move on. They went out to dinner, Duff said he was done, they shook hands and that was that. Another thing I found surprising - Duff's clearly friends with Slash, but in the acknowledgements at the end of the book, Duff seems more emotional/closer in his words to Axl than Slash. Anyway, I liked a lot of VR stuff, and obviously GNR stuff, but Slash on his own does nothing for me. I wouldn't listen to or buy the VR album for months after it came out, I wanted it to suck (I'm Team Axl) but once I heard it I did give it a chance and I liked most of it...so I'm not entirely bias, I just don't care for anything Slash has done on his own. He put 6 albums out but CD is better than all of them.

Duff said something similar to what you quoted but also added the fact that the band had become a dictatorship in this 1999 interview:

Duff : About schedules and the way Axl was late for the next album. Susan, my girlfriend, was pregnant. We were going to have a baby, but this band was becoming a dictatorship, everything had to get done in Axl’s way or it wouldn’t get done at all. It wasn’t like that when we started out. At one point, we were offered a huge sum of money to play a concert in Germany. I thought : "I never played for money and I’m not gonna start now!". I’ve got a house, I’m secure financially. Post-Neurotic was the worst moment of my career in Guns. I went out for dinner with Axl and I told him : "Enough is enough. This band is a dictatorship and I don’t see myself playing in those conditions. Find someone else."

http://duffmckaganonline.tripod.com/interview.html

As far as ChiDem being better than anything Slash has done since leaving Guns you are entitled to your opinion but I would take any of the 6 albums he has done as I find ChiDem to be mediocre at best but it is a matter of taste and there is no right or wrong.

Listen I don't think Slash is some innocent in the whole affair and posters are entitled to hate Slash and post their opinion here but it bothers me when posters like Burden post inaccuracies and half truths and passes them off as facts........

As an Axl fan I appreciate you at least posting with facts at hand and having a civil discussion without bashing Slash.......makes for a more interesting discussion then making shit up

This Axl vs. Slash pissing match has been beat to death so I will not waste any more bandwidth on it but if Burden or others want to try to rewrite history to try to make Slash out to be the villian knock yourselves out...........

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Slash has wasted the last 20 years in pettiness and bitterness. By the numerous songs he has since released he has proven that he is a great guitarist and an average songwriter. He left Guns N' Roses volunatarily because Axl refused to let him be the primary songwriter. In retrospect this was a blessing for Slash and GnR as he would have ruined the legacy of old Guns N' Roses. Axl and Izzy were the major force behind GnR, Duff was the engine, and Slash was a creative genius when he had the right song to work his magic on. But he is not a primary songwriter though and that is a big difference.

Revisionist history mate as that is not why Slash left Guns...but it fits in well with this conspiracy theory thread.......

That is straight from Duff. He just did an interview where he said Slash came in with a bunch of songs that were not good but the band was willing to work with 2 or 3 of them. Slash took his ball and did his Snakepit thing which used those 2-3 songs. he then quit for whatever reasons you cite - but he quit. Axl could not fire him. Duff stayed on for 2-3 years but left because of the slow progress of a new album and the fact that the working hours were not conducive to a family life. He also saw that Axl was not in a good state and that without Izzy who was going to write the songs. It's easy to blame everything on Axl but the fact is that is Slash didn't run away like a baby and didn't do a thousand press interviews criticizing Axl that GnR would probably be intact and probably have Izzy back by now as well.

Slash is the only person who is constantly trying to promote himself while blaming Axl for everything. Slash quit, he should be man enough to admit it and move on with his life. It's 20 years ago already!!! That is a long time - i feel bad for Slash that he can't move on with his life.

I never said Axl fired Slash only that your claim is not the reason he quit. Slash outlined his reasoning in his book and that was not the reason he cited. And Slash has moved on mate as he has released 6 albums of new music since then....sounds like you are the one who can't move on....

And you are being selective in citing why Duff left and part of it was because of Axl's meglomania......if you are going to post this stuff at least be factual....

Axl is no doubt a hard person to work with. But you don't have to quit. Slash and Duff could have as easily waited it out and refused to work on Axl's time. What's the difference? The fact is that Slash quit 15 years ago!!! yet today he refuses to let it go. He also has released 6 mediocre albums which proves he was not the primary songwriter. His ego got so big he thought he wrote the structure of those songs. The most telling thing about Slash is that he didn't even recognize the potential of the Sweet Child O' Mine rift. Slash needs someone to write songs for him and he can layer over his fantastic solos. Isn't Axl really a control freak in Slash's mind because Slash really wanted the control?

From Duff's book, it just seemed like GNR wasn't a good fit for him anymore. There were things about Axl that he didn't like, and he mentions those throughout the book. But when it came to quitting he says himself, there wasn't a huge blow up or incident, the band just wasn't getting anywhere, his new life style didn't mesh with the up all hours life style Axl had and he wanted to move on. They went out to dinner, Duff said he was done, they shook hands and that was that. Another thing I found surprising - Duff's clearly friends with Slash, but in the acknowledgements at the end of the book, Duff seems more emotional/closer in his words to Axl than Slash. Anyway, I liked a lot of VR stuff, and obviously GNR stuff, but Slash on his own does nothing for me. I wouldn't listen to or buy the VR album for months after it came out, I wanted it to suck (I'm Team Axl) but once I heard it I did give it a chance and I liked most of it...so I'm not entirely bias, I just don't care for anything Slash has done on his own. He put 6 albums out but CD is better than all of them.

It was destiny for Slash to leave GNR. I'm glad he did becasue the band wouldn't have evolved.

CD is the best album to come out since Use Your Illusion I and II.

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Slash has wasted the last 20 years in pettiness and bitterness. By the numerous songs he has since released he has proven that he is a great guitarist and an average songwriter. He left Guns N' Roses volunatarily because Axl refused to let him be the primary songwriter. In retrospect this was a blessing for Slash and GnR as he would have ruined the legacy of old Guns N' Roses. Axl and Izzy were the major force behind GnR, Duff was the engine, and Slash was a creative genius when he had the right song to work his magic on. But he is not a primary songwriter though and that is a big difference.

Revisionist history mate as that is not why Slash left Guns...but it fits in well with this conspiracy theory thread.......

That is straight from Duff. He just did an interview where he said Slash came in with a bunch of songs that were not good but the band was willing to work with 2 or 3 of them. Slash took his ball and did his Snakepit thing which used those 2-3 songs. he then quit for whatever reasons you cite - but he quit. Axl could not fire him. Duff stayed on for 2-3 years but left because of the slow progress of a new album and the fact that the working hours were not conducive to a family life. He also saw that Axl was not in a good state and that without Izzy who was going to write the songs. It's easy to blame everything on Axl but the fact is that is Slash didn't run away like a baby and didn't do a thousand press interviews criticizing Axl that GnR would probably be intact and probably have Izzy back by now as well.

Slash is the only person who is constantly trying to promote himself while blaming Axl for everything. Slash quit, he should be man enough to admit it and move on with his life. It's 20 years ago already!!! That is a long time - i feel bad for Slash that he can't move on with his life.

I never said Axl fired Slash only that your claim is not the reason he quit. Slash outlined his reasoning in his book and that was not the reason he cited. And Slash has moved on mate as he has released 6 albums of new music since then....sounds like you are the one who can't move on....

And you are being selective in citing why Duff left and part of it was because of Axl's meglomania......if you are going to post this stuff at least be factual....

Axl is no doubt a hard person to work with. But you don't have to quit. Slash and Duff could have as easily waited it out and refused to work on Axl's time. What's the difference? The fact is that Slash quit 15 years ago!!! yet today he refuses to let it go. He also has released 6 mediocre albums which proves he was not the primary songwriter. His ego got so big he thought he wrote the structure of those songs. The most telling thing about Slash is that he didn't even recognize the potential of the Sweet Child O' Mine rift. Slash needs someone to write songs for him and he can layer over his fantastic solos. Isn't Axl really a control freak in Slash's mind because Slash really wanted the control?

From Duff's book, it just seemed like GNR wasn't a good fit for him anymore. There were things about Axl that he didn't like, and he mentions those throughout the book. But when it came to quitting he says himself, there wasn't a huge blow up or incident, the band just wasn't getting anywhere, his new life style didn't mesh with the up all hours life style Axl had and he wanted to move on. They went out to dinner, Duff said he was done, they shook hands and that was that. Another thing I found surprising - Duff's clearly friends with Slash, but in the acknowledgements at the end of the book, Duff seems more emotional/closer in his words to Axl than Slash. Anyway, I liked a lot of VR stuff, and obviously GNR stuff, but Slash on his own does nothing for me. I wouldn't listen to or buy the VR album for months after it came out, I wanted it to suck (I'm Team Axl) but once I heard it I did give it a chance and I liked most of it...so I'm not entirely bias, I just don't care for anything Slash has done on his own. He put 6 albums out but CD is better than all of them.

It was destiny for Slash to leave GNR. I'm glad he did becasue the band wouldn't have evolved.

CD is the best album to come out since Use Your Illusion I and II.

The best Guns N Roses album maybe...but then again other then TSI, which to me does not count, it is the only Guns album of original material to come out since the UYI's so that is not much to brag about

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Slash has wasted the last 20 years in pettiness and bitterness. By the numerous songs he has since released he has proven that he is a great guitarist and an average songwriter. He left Guns N' Roses volunatarily because Axl refused to let him be the primary songwriter. In retrospect this was a blessing for Slash and GnR as he would have ruined the legacy of old Guns N' Roses. Axl and Izzy were the major force behind GnR, Duff was the engine, and Slash was a creative genius when he had the right song to work his magic on. But he is not a primary songwriter though and that is a big difference.

Revisionist history mate as that is not why Slash left Guns...but it fits in well with this conspiracy theory thread.......

That is straight from Duff. He just did an interview where he said Slash came in with a bunch of songs that were not good but the band was willing to work with 2 or 3 of them. Slash took his ball and did his Snakepit thing which used those 2-3 songs. he then quit for whatever reasons you cite - but he quit. Axl could not fire him. Duff stayed on for 2-3 years but left because of the slow progress of a new album and the fact that the working hours were not conducive to a family life. He also saw that Axl was not in a good state and that without Izzy who was going to write the songs. It's easy to blame everything on Axl but the fact is that is Slash didn't run away like a baby and didn't do a thousand press interviews criticizing Axl that GnR would probably be intact and probably have Izzy back by now as well.

Slash is the only person who is constantly trying to promote himself while blaming Axl for everything. Slash quit, he should be man enough to admit it and move on with his life. It's 20 years ago already!!! That is a long time - i feel bad for Slash that he can't move on with his life.

I never said Axl fired Slash only that your claim is not the reason he quit. Slash outlined his reasoning in his book and that was not the reason he cited. And Slash has moved on mate as he has released 6 albums of new music since then....sounds like you are the one who can't move on....

And you are being selective in citing why Duff left and part of it was because of Axl's meglomania......if you are going to post this stuff at least be factual....

Axl is no doubt a hard person to work with. But you don't have to quit. Slash and Duff could have as easily waited it out and refused to work on Axl's time. What's the difference? The fact is that Slash quit 15 years ago!!! yet today he refuses to let it go. He also has released 6 mediocre albums which proves he was not the primary songwriter. His ego got so big he thought he wrote the structure of those songs. The most telling thing about Slash is that he didn't even recognize the potential of the Sweet Child O' Mine rift. Slash needs someone to write songs for him and he can layer over his fantastic solos. Isn't Axl really a control freak in Slash's mind because Slash really wanted the control?

6 mediocre albums? I was unaware the success of Its 5 o Clock somewhere and Contraband were mediocre. Gee I wonder how CD is regarded if it can't even outsell those 2. .hmmmmmm

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Slash has wasted the last 20 years in pettiness and bitterness. By the numerous songs he has since released he has proven that he is a great guitarist and an average songwriter. He left Guns N' Roses volunatarily because Axl refused to let him be the primary songwriter. In retrospect this was a blessing for Slash and GnR as he would have ruined the legacy of old Guns N' Roses. Axl and Izzy were the major force behind GnR, Duff was the engine, and Slash was a creative genius when he had the right song to work his magic on. But he is not a primary songwriter though and that is a big difference.

oh my god just shut the fuck up already...Axl reduced him to a hired employee dude..he demoted him to Dj and Fortus status....paycheck boys on retainer who dont even have the liberty of acting like a band without Axls permission.....rather you call that voluntarily or not is your perspective i call it getting suckerpunched..and fyi....just who ruined the legacy of GNR?????outside of the classics being prostitued by another band and a 10 year parade of Chinese Democracy tour..with a fucking long ass wait for Chinese Democracy to even surface..... this era of GNR is so assbackwards that its difficult to remember the cutting edge in your face band of 87-93 in the same point of reference.....but hey your ANOTHER fool that got FOOLed into thinking Gun and Rose was Guns and Fucking Roses...

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WTF! Slash ripping off Chinese Democracy album art! OMFGGGGGGGGG! WTFFFFFFFFFF!!!

Fuckin' idiots.

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I actually blame Mario for using the red star to make fun of Axl. Or maybe Axl was using it to make fun of Mario

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WTF! Slash ripping off Chinese Democracy album art! OMFGGGGGGGGG! WTFFFFFFFFFF!!!

Fuckin' idiots.

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I actually blame Mario for using the red star to make fun of Axl. Or maybe Axl was using it to make fun of Mario

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If you play Slash's new CD backwards it has a hidden message which says "fuck you Axl"................try it sometime..........CoolFace.png

(thanks for the coolface Cardi I was wondering how to do that!)

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