Georgy Zhukov Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 If I paid money to see a movie I am sitting through the credits. I am not walking out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Craig could have pulled off Licence to Kill. Baddest bad guy until Silva. I never noticed but Dalton has never appeared in M's office. Pam Bouvier was a great Bond girl though I am not sure how she was ever "Dependent" on Bond. If anything she saved his ass more then he saved hers. Though I am not sure why he would ditch Lupe (and her many stereotypes). Also interestng Lupe didn't die. You see it coming but she lives. Too sexy to die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 LTK is basically QOS done right. Sure, different motives, but it boils down to Bond going rogue to seek revenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 The more I think about it the more I realize QoS was an unnecessary film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 I wouldn't call it unnecessary. It ties up some loose ends but at the same time the reason it fails as a stand alone film is because it's basically just the ending to Casino Royale. I find I enjoy it more watching it right after Casino Royale than just randomly choosing it. It has kind of an empty feeling that something is missing. The pacing is horrible too. It's 100 minutes feels longer than Casino Royale's or Skyfall's 140 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 (edited) The problem with QoS that it ties up loose ends. The ending of Casino Royale tied them up perfectly fine. I guess they left it open ended thanks to one of the writers inventing an Algerian boyfriend for Vesper. Probably Haggis since much of the third act was written by him.I want to know who came up with the awful dialog between Bond and Fields after they had sex. "Do you want to go to a party?" cringe.Skyfall moved pretty quickly. I think much of the lengh is due to the 12 minute pre-title and the 5 minute credits. After that it moves quick. Casino Royale was weird because it started out quick then it slows to a snail pace. The Casino scene is my most look forward to because it just gives me a break from the action. Edited March 6, 2013 by Georgy Zhukov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 One other thing about NSNA. What's with all the dudes hitting on James Bond? Nigil, M and Largo were all trying to queer him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 I'm just happy Bond had sex with Fields. There's no way any straight man would pass her up.I think the pace slows at the right time in Casino Royale. The first half is leftover action from the Brosnan era and then it takes a nice breather. I love the whole film, but from Bond's meeting with Vesper on is where it really picks up for me. Skyfall has an equally good pace. Even though the middle section of the movie is really light on action it still moves along great.It's because they were in awe of Connery. To be fair, he's in better shape in NSNA than he was in Diamonds 12 years earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 He had to screw somebody in QoS. Camile was a lost opportunity. The Greek/Turkish girl in Skyfall was to bring up his tally. Good looking girl too.That's how I felt about the first part of CR. They felt Brosnan like. It was almost like they wanted the audiences to see Craig can do the shit Brosnan did. The problem was that it made him look indestructible. Then they get to the scene where he is poisoned and finally the torture scene. After Bond realizes the betrayal of Vesper he becomes James Bond. Quantum of Solace just drags it out. I don't know how he passed up Solange though. Sure there was to be an attack but all he had to do was call the police.Yeah, he did look really good for his age. Plus they were English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 We can ask questions or we can just sit back and enjoy the film.How can you enjoy it when it's all bullshit?Bond survives impossible circumstances like nothing. That's not entertaining. It's stupid. Your logic can apply to 8/10 of every action/adventure/thriller film that has ever been made, and, 10/10 of sci-fi/fantasy films!A guy dressed as a bat is stupid (Batman).A guy shooting down two hundred people while barely receiving a scratch is stupid (any Arnie film).Lightsabers are bullshit and therefore stupid.Elves and hobbits are bullshit.A guy who survives about six hostage scenarios (the whole Die Hard series) is stupid.Aliens are bullshit and therefore stupid.There is no sound in space, therefore, any film in which we see a ship go ''zoom' is bullshit and stupid.I would make the case the Arnie movies are better because they present The Terminator as an unstoppable machines. He is not human.Bond is portrayed as a human being who just so happens to have god powers or some shit. There's a difference.I would also agree that The Hobbit was pretty bad as well. Star Wars is okay.Fair enough about Terminator but what about Commando? Arnie takes on an entire army in the finale and comes out with barely a mark on him. But back to the point, using your logic the only films that you can possibly like are gritty realistic films - stuff like Get Carter (original of course), Mean Streets and Trainspotting. I mean even comedies are rather unrealistic in the sense that, people do not like that in real life. I love gritty realism too but I also like films with more fantastical action/adventure set pieces.Although the books are generally grittier than the films (especially, Casino Royale), most of the elements of the films are present in Fleming. Dr No and YOLT are pure, comic bookey, fantasy. In the Dr No book, Bond battles a gigantic squid, and in YOLT Blofeld has constructed this 'garden of death' in Japan (with. deadly species of flora). Young Japanese go there to commit suicide. It is totally over-the-top.I mean even in Casino Royale, which is so gritty it could have been a Harry Palmer film, Bond is sitting their at 4 in the morning in a resturant eating scrambled eggs and champagne! After his second bottle, he goes-off on a high thrills pursuit with La Chiffre. Most people I feel, after two bottles of Champagne, would be at the ''I lovve you' stage (or starting arguments with random strangers). Bond exists in a heightened reality of women, booze and style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 The second half of Casino Royale (Montenegro and Venice) is when the novel kicks in. The novel begins with Bond in Brittany - they changed the locations - in this high-stakes card game with La Chiffre. In other words, the African/USA action stuff was all interposed. I can understand why they did this. Because they had changed La Chiffre from a Smersh agent to a terroist, they had to show this (while also, making La Chiffre more evil). Additionally, the novel is one of the shortest Bond novels - you can read it in one-sitting - and there would be next-to-no action in it if they began the film at the casino. There would be one car chase then the penis torture scene. That would be it.So they added the action terroist stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Bond crashing his DBS in Casino Royale is why you should never drink and drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 Conversely, if you drink and drive you might set a new record for most barrel rolls. I don't condone it though. I agree DD, they pretty much had to fill up the first half of Casino with the action because otherwise you'd have a fairly dull, uneventful film, at least as far as the Bond formula goes. I think one of the strengths of the film is that even though the first half is action heavy the pace is good and it slows down at just the right time to let the story take over from the novel once Bond hits Montenegro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 It's official - Mendes is NOT directing Bond 24. http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=36712He basically says it was hard for him to decline Michael and Barbara's offer but he's too busy with other commitments at the moment. He doesn't rule out returning in the future though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Fuck!! What other commitments can be more important than 007? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 I know right? What a douche. He's got a bunch of theater stuff that he had already planned for this year. I'm thinking when he planned out his schedule he wasn't initially considering returning.The good news is that the time line has opened up for the Fall 2014 release. The bad news is that this likely means no Roger Deakins or Thomas Newman. At least we still have Logan on board for the script. Martin Campbell doesn't look too busy at the moment. Maybe they could get him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 As long as it isn't Marc Forster!Campbell would always be my first choice. Probably my second favourite Bond director (after Terence Young). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 The good news is that the release of Bond 24 will not be delayed. I hope they find another talented director.Who's idea was it to get Mendes? Craig? He should pick the next director. Wait, didn't he recommend Forster too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 Craig did get Forster too, but I don't blame as much of Quantum's faults on Forster as I used to. I think his style is wrong for Bond, but aside from the annoying shaky cam the first 20 minutes or so of the movie is great and there are some other highlights as well, namely the opera scene. Still, I wouldn't want him back.Campbell never rules out returning to the franchise; he just doesn't like doing one after the other. He had a three film break before he returned for Casino. He's had a two film break this time, and it's been over six years since he filmed Casino. Plenty of time to recharge the batteries. Get him back I say! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Speaking of Campbell I am about to watch GoldenEye. I don't know if I want him back, but with Logan, a great cast and crew and producers who found their mojo, I can't see them going wrong.Too bad Berenice Marlhoe will not be in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Any potential director should look at that final scene in SF: new M, new Moneypenny, retro Bond office - also, new Q. It is a fresh platform to work miracles. There is no longer any hang-ups about re-creating Bond (unless they decide to sort out the Quantum mess - I suppose somebody has to do it eventually!) and re-establishing Bond. All the hard work has been done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 They basically have all the characters, Bond no longer needs any development or soul searching. All loose ends tied up. Just go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Some of the comments on the Facebook announcement about Mendes are hilarious, people saying he ruined Skyfall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 (edited) Facebook, a gathering of geniuses.Who should they get for a Bond girl? Melissa McCarthy? Edited March 6, 2013 by Georgy Zhukov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Facebook, a gathering of geniuses.Who should they get for a Bond girl? Melissa McCarthy? Maybe they can tap Mila Kunis to play Christmas Jones' younger sister in Bond 24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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