Georgy Zhukov Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Moore was a funny guy. His problem was he was too damn good looking to be a effective comedic actor. I liked how on Piers Morgan when he said he did not like guns and killing people and Piers replies "But you do it all the time as James Bond" and he says "That is because I am a good actor." Its great because he usually says he is bad.So was the deal that McClory can only remake Thunderball? I heard he wanted to make different films but lawyers got in his way. He was going to remake it as Warhead 2000. Sad way to live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 4, 2013 Author Share Posted March 4, 2013 Moore always puts himself down as part of his humor. He was a better actor than most people give him credit for. The Man Who Haunted Himself, while only a decent thriller, proves that. His performance is great.Correct. Just Thunderball, and only because he has the rights to the novel. Basically, before EON ever got the film rights to the novel series, Fleming had been working on film script with McClory and another guy called Thunderball. The project fell through and Fleming ending up sparing their script for his next Bond novel but didn't credit McClory. McClory sued, and as a result he got the film rights to that novel for what he claimed was his material. That's why when it came to Never Say Never Again, his lawyers as well as EON's had to be in regular contact to make sure nothing in the film resembled any of the trademarks in the EON series and was strictly limited to material from the Thunderball novel, which included SPECTRE and Blofeld. Every draft of the script and every new scene or piece of dialogue had to be analyzed by the lawyers in both parties. Quite the messy process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 No wonder the film was a mess, they went one direction and had to throw in as many Thunderball parts as possible.Casino Royale seemed to have been another legal mess with Charles Feldman. It was a simple trade that solved that nearly 50 year issue.I will have to see that movie. Did you ever see the special where he plays a parody of James Bond in 1964? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I wonder why the Stones never did a James Bond theme song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnold layne Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 The roommates are watching it right now. The part where Bond gets shot twice, falls off a moving train, goes off a waterfall, and survives really pisses me off. It's such bullshit. What's the point of having a hero marketed as human when they aren't even human? Fucking shitty movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 It's just a movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Well that is the premise of Skyfall you have to buy into (or you are never going to like the rest of the film). Only Bond, through endurance, willpower, physicality, could have survived - It is the 'Die Hard' John Maclaine thing. In a way it is connected with the way Silva looks at Bond at the end. You can tell he is thinking, 'you persistent little shit. WIll you ever die?''.It is interesting how we never see Bond survive. How did he get out of the waterfall? Did someonehelp him? How did he recover? He just turns up drunk on a beach somewhere shagging some woman. Was this the right way to go about it? Perhaps not but it does retain a bit of 'mystery' about Bond's survival, while at the same time, not clogging up the thrust of the film's storyline (events in London). I think they made the correct decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) We can ask questions or we can just sit back and enjoy the film.Today will be The Living Daylights and maybe Licence to Kill. Two of my favorites. Edited March 5, 2013 by Georgy Zhukov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnold layne Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 We can ask questions or we can just sit back and enjoy the film.How can you enjoy it when it's all bullshit?Bond survives impossible circumstances like nothing. That's not entertaining. It's stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Is it impossible? Who knows. But this is film, not documentary. Gritty and realistic doesn't mean all implausible has to be taken out, just kept somewhat minimum.So is it possible? Who gives a rats ass? You see action heroes diving out of explosions and the shock alone would have killed the average person. You just suspend disbelief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnold layne Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 And that's why those movies suck ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) Okay, well give me any movie that is 100% realistic.I am really excited for The Living Daylights, it is probably my most watch Bond film. I just keep going back to it.Imagine a cannonball run of James Bond?Connery-Aston Martin DB5Lazenby- Aston Martin DBSMoore- Lotus Espirit S1 from The Spy Who Loved MeDalton- Aston Martin Vantage V8 Volante from The Living DaylightsBrosnan- Either the AM V12 "Vanquish" from DAD or the BMW 750iL from TMW, both are pretty nice bad ass carsCraig- New DBS from Casino RoyaleI doubt Craig and Lazenby would make 100 miles with the other four. Curious how Lazenby's DBS wasn't bullet proof. Oh well. Edited March 5, 2013 by Georgy Zhukov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 We can ask questions or we can just sit back and enjoy the film.How can you enjoy it when it's all bullshit?Bond survives impossible circumstances like nothing. That's not entertaining. It's stupid.Your logic can apply to 8/10 of every action/adventure/thriller film that has ever been made, and, 10/10 of sci-fi/fantasy films!A guy dressed as a bat is stupid (Batman).A guy shooting down two hundred people while barely receiving a scratch is stupid (any Arnie film).Lightsabers are bullshit and therefore stupid.Elves and hobbits are bullshit.A guy who survives about six hostage scenarios (the whole Die Hard series) is stupid.Aliens are bullshit and therefore stupid.There is no sound in space, therefore, any film in which we see a ship go ''zoom' is bullshit and stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 While I enjoyed Skyfall there were parts that I felt could have been done better or were simply unnecessary. The fall off that bridge (way too high) and the waterfall (unnecessary) and getting shot (twice) was overkill. Bond jumping on the back of the tube train was ridiculous and added nothing. It doesn't help that Craig runs like a schoolgirl. The tube train crash. All a bit much given Bond just ducked out of the way with ease. It added nothing. I know Bond is known for OTT set pieces but for me they missed the mark in Skyfall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) A lot of sequences in the series adds nothing but excitement and also amusement. Complaining about it is just nitpicking.Besides having Bond just board a train would have been boring. We are watching a Bond film. Plus it got a laugh.For Bond getting shot twice. Usually people complain about the bad guys having horrible aim. And the bridge being too high, well a low bridge with no waterfall would have been boring.And if Bond didn't miss the train, the film would have been a lot shorter Edited March 5, 2013 by Georgy Zhukov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Bond without fantasy wouldn't be Bond. You've got to have that element of disbelief in there or the films lose their escapism. Even the more down to earth Bond films, namely now in the Craig era, still contain that element of fantasy. That's always been present in Bond films. Who says a movie has to be 100% realistic to be entertaining? The logic that "it isn't plausible so it's stupid" can be applied to every Bond film and as DD said, nearly every other action and adventure film ever made.I don't believe that 006 survived the facility explosion in GoldenEye, nor do I follow the (lack of) geography that the big ass dam Bond jumped off ten minutes before is missing behind the facility. Also, Ourmov's gun was clearly loaded because he kills one of his own men. So what, he planned on shooting one real round and made sure the second was a blank to fake 006's death?Why does Goldfinger bother explaining his whole plan to the gangsters that he's just going to gas instead of gassing them right away? Of course, this is for the audience to learn his plan but if you want to get technical, it's actually a big waste of time.Those are two random examples but see, you can nitpick any Bond film. I don't know. No point in being overly serious when I can just sit back and enjoy the entertainment.I will have to see that movie. Did you ever see the special where he plays a parody of James Bond in 1964?I watched it years ago but I don't remember much of it. I know it's on YouTube so I'll have to check it out again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnold layne Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 We can ask questions or we can just sit back and enjoy the film.How can you enjoy it when it's all bullshit?Bond survives impossible circumstances like nothing. That's not entertaining. It's stupid. Your logic can apply to 8/10 of every action/adventure/thriller film that has ever been made, and, 10/10 of sci-fi/fantasy films!A guy dressed as a bat is stupid (Batman).A guy shooting down two hundred people while barely receiving a scratch is stupid (any Arnie film).Lightsabers are bullshit and therefore stupid.Elves and hobbits are bullshit.A guy who survives about six hostage scenarios (the whole Die Hard series) is stupid.Aliens are bullshit and therefore stupid.There is no sound in space, therefore, any film in which we see a ship go ''zoom' is bullshit and stupid.I would make the case the Arnie movies are better because they present The Terminator as an unstoppable machines. He is not human. Bond is portrayed as a human being who just so happens to have god powers or some shit. There's a difference.I would also agree that The Hobbit was pretty bad as well. Star Wars is okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I don't think the problem is over the top sequences but rather how they are executed. I think Skyfall was hit and miss in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Maybe you should direct Bond 24? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Bond is human, but he's always been with superhero qualities. He's supposed to be the man we'd love to be and women would love be with. Which guy or girl wouldn't want to survive the impossible? He survives simply because he is Bond and somehow manages to come out unbelievable situations with his suit and tie still intact. That's part of the escapism.I see where you're coming from though DiceMan. That's a valid criticism although I don't necessarily agree with it. Skyfall had the amount of action I like. I do agree that some type of explanation should have been given as to how Bond survived. That was left wide open and I know it bothered many people. Even a line to Moneypenny later on like "You know, your aim actually isn't that bad... you hit my shoulder holster" or something like that. It would have been stupid and borderline unbelievable but it would have be something to hang on to. Then one just has to assume he luckily survived the fall, as I agree that getting shot and falling was a bit much, even for Bond. Didn't hurt my enjoyment of the film though.While Craig did his own stunts on the train itself for the fight, his stunt double did actually do the drop. Safely controlled of course, but he did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 You know what pisses me off? How Bond's appearances keeps changing. Fucking bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 And what's with this blond haired douche who's barely six feet tall? Doesn't look like Bond at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I will say this, I am probably being a little harsh given the overall high standard of the film. I just remembered walking out of Die Another Die when Brosnan started surfing That film was atrocious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 I don't blame you. I don't think anybody holds Die Another Day to a high standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I liked Brosnan as Bond but he only made one good Bond movie - Goldeneye. The rest were shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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