Let's compare the 2 giants of the 80's

[Chrisi Rokks]

So. The question is...

WHO IS THE MOST OUT OF CONTROL ROCK N' ROLL BAND?

Motley Crue!! All you have to do is read the dirt! Man, i can't imagine Gn'R doing anything like that!

Btw, if you're going to answer, you gotta give a reason!

Edited August 3, 2006 by Crash Diet

[neatd99]

Motley Crue.........but Van Halen was also a giant of the '80s.

[highvoltage]

Motley Crue - but they made incredibly shit music, so who really cares?

[TeeJay410]

motley crue

but motley crues music was awful and they never managed to enrage parents the way gnr did

[f**k_your_enemy]

motley crue

but motley crues music was awful and they never managed to enrage parents the way gnr did

I disgree with that... When Motley started out.. they'd have model heads on stage.. blood.. chainsaws and set eachother on fire... then the whole "Shout at the Devil" era hit.... they played with the satanism gimmick.. they had the pentagrams going on.... and parents would ban there kids listening to this "Devil's Music".

When GN'R came along... sure there was the drink and the drugs... but Motley and other bands had been doing that for years... So it was just kind of accepted that thats how a "Rock Band" would act.. They also had a pop-rock song "Sweet Child O' Mine" y'kno... some of the parents at that time was into that song...

[jack99]

Motley Crue - but they made incredibly shit music, so who really cares?

True, but they got some good fun tunes to get wasted too. It's kinda sad for a rock band to be remembered for everything they did off stage instead of the music and their performences. Btw, Axl used to be more out of control than all of them put together.

[slashs_servant]

Motley Crue - but they made incredibly shit music, so who really cares?

Incredibly shit ? Why'd they get a number one album than ? I think you should give them abit more credit

[highvoltage]

Motley Crue - but they made incredibly shit music, so who really cares?

Incredibly shit ? Why'd they get a number one album than ? I think you should give them abit more credit

Britney went number one - does it mean anything?

[artfromtex]

Motley's music was not shit. i don't see how y'all love GNR so much and can absolutely discredit Motley.

on the topic of pissing off and scaring parents, Motley had that market cornered for a few years. whoever said that must be very young. in 1984 the American journalistic TV show 20/20 even did a story on satanism in rock and Motley was the focal point. my own parents threw away my album, tore my posters off the wall and all that stuff afterward.

for some reason Motley was always way bigger in America than in Europe. so i assume some of y'all that hate on them are from the other side of the pond.

[highvoltage]

Motley's music was not shit. i don't see how y'all love GNR so much and can absolutely discredit Motley.

It's not even that the music is shit... sure, the songs are ok as party anthems, or whatever you want to call them... but if you read any interviews, the guys actually take the music seriously.

I'll never forget an article I was reading on Crue, and it had an excerpt of an interview with Vince. He was talking about the lyrics to Primal Scream. It read something like (and i'm completely paraphrasing this here):

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Vince: And i'm sick of people sayin' that my lyrics don't mean anything, or that they're tired and cliched... Some of our songs are really deep lyrically. Take Primal Scream for example...

Primal scream and shout

Let that mother out

You just gotta say hey

Deep. Right.

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He just takes himself so seriously, when his music career really is a just one great, big joke.

[artfromtex]

that song was based on a book that Nikki Sixx read, called "Primal Scream". it was about finding ways to let your inner demons out by finding ways to let your soul have it's "primal scream". he read it during the time just after he kicked heroin and was trying to find other ways of dealing with his issues. here are the complete lyrics:

Broke dick dog

My head slung low

Tail knocked in the dirt

Time and time

Of being told

Trash is all Im worth

When I was just a young boy

Had to take a little grief

Now that Im much older

Dont put your shit on me

(pre-chorus)

Grab it and shake

Reach down scrape it

You just got to

(chorus)

Primal scream and shout

Let that mother out

You just gotta say hey

Primal scream & shout

Oooh tear it out

You just gotta say

Janou said

Meters are red

Blow a neurotic fuse

Show a little

A little pain

Unlock a lotta truth

When daddy was a young man

His home was livin hell

Mama tried to be so perfect

Now her minds a padded cell, ya

(pre-chorus)

(solo)

Hey man, get out of my face

I deal with my problems at my own pace

With your screwed-down, anti-human views

Deal with the pressures by playing the blues

If you wanna live life on your own terms

You gotta be willing to crash and burn

Scream shout come on come on come on

Scream shout

of course you chose just the chorus, which is intended to be anthemic.

i don't think Vince or any of the guys take themselves to seriously, they know what they are.

[Nir]

what the fuck?

it's like asking "who's the better rap band" GNR or NWA for instance..

MC had this Satan shit..

[Chrisi Rokks]

Motley Crue - but they made incredibly shit music, so who really cares?

True, but they got some good fun tunes to get wasted too. It's kinda sad for a rock band to be remembered for everything they did off stage instead of the music and their performences. Btw, Axl used to be more out of control than all of them put together.

Nah man, Nikki Sixx was waaay more out of control than all of Gn'R put together. All Axl did was spit his dummy out when he didn't get his own way

Motley Crue were the real bad boys not Gn'R. All Gn'R did was get drunk, wasted, drugged up and have fights. Crue went into satan crap and all that. Vince was like the crap Huge Heffner for a while, Nikki died twice then shot up again the next day. Motley Crue were 1st so i guess they can't be compared too much to Gn'R 'cos Crue showed Gn'R how it's done. But as far as bad boy rockers go. Nikki Sixx wins hands down! He was shooting up at Tommy's wedding!

Edited August 3, 2006 by Crash Diet

[New Rose]

All you talk about here is Mötley Crüe. What a bunch of shit.

Check out G.G Allin, now that shit is something more than "out of control".

[TeeJay410]

slash has died a coupla times and came back, axl has too, duffs fucking oancreas exploded

motley crue was only bad ass during shout at the devil as far as satan, and that was only cuz they were trying to milk the devil thing for all it was worth

primal screams lyrics are what a disgruntled 15 year old would write when a teacher told him to stop talking

guns n roses were real, they never partied just cuz it was kool, guns n roses lived what they wrote and had much more integrity than motley crue, motley crue started out cool but went in the direction of what was cool, drifted away from what they knew and became the shitty band they were/are from 85-now

just cuz motley crue did more coke and worshipped satan doesnt mean thier bad ass, it just means their idiots

[Zint]

Both bands out of control for sure.

The differance was...GnR were the real deal,it was their life.

Motley Crue seemed a little more contrived in their bad boy ways.

[SLAYER's CLAN]

slash has died a coupla times and came back, axl has too, duffs fucking oancreas exploded

motley crue was only bad ass during shout at the devil as far as satan, and that was only cuz they were trying to milk the devil thing for all it was worth

primal screams lyrics are what a disgruntled 15 year old would write when a teacher told him to stop talking

guns n roses were real, they never partied just cuz it was kool, guns n roses lived what they wrote and had much more integrity than motley crue, motley crue started out cool but went in the direction of what was cool, drifted away from what they knew and became the shitty band they were/are from 85-now

just cuz motley crue did more coke and worshipped satan doesnt mean thier bad ass, it just means their idiots

show me where it says that

[Chrisi Rokks]

slash has died a coupla times and came back, axl has too, duffs fucking oancreas exploded

motley crue was only bad ass during shout at the devil as far as satan, and that was only cuz they were trying to milk the devil thing for all it was worth

primal screams lyrics are what a disgruntled 15 year old would write when a teacher told him to stop talking

guns n roses were real, they never partied just cuz it was kool, guns n roses lived what they wrote and had much more integrity than motley crue, motley crue started out cool but went in the direction of what was cool, drifted away from what they knew and became the shitty band they were/are from 85-now

just cuz motley crue did more coke and worshipped satan doesnt mean thier bad ass, it just means their idiots

show me where it says that

They didn't worship Satan, Nikki just used to draw pentagons or whatever on the fucking walls of his and Lita's flat and wierd stuff would happen. So he changed the name from Shout WITH the Devil to Shout AT the Devil

And since when did Axl die? I've never heard that rubbish before in my life. And Axl used to try get into Nikki Sixx's parties but Nikki wouldn't let him. So if Gn'R partying was their life, they used to try party with the best. FACT. Read The Dirt

[artfromtex]

motley crue started out cool but went in the direction of what was cool, drifted away from what they knew and became the shitty band they were/are from 85-now

well, speaking of teachers, your grammar teacher obviously wasn't an ace....

you seem to be implying that after '85 that Motley started following instead of leading. is that correct? if that's what you're saying, you're dead wrong and you didn't grow up in the '80's and see it unfold. around '85 is when all the Motley copycat bands started putting out records. so if it seemed like Motley was doing what everyone else was doing it's because everyone else was copying them. even Kiss, one of Motley's influences, was following the Crue stride for stride. Crue went glam, everyone else went glam. Crue went to a boogie metal style and a biker look on Girls, Girls, Girls, and everyone ditched their pink spandex and traded it in for leather pants. i've always said that the watered down copycats always tarnish the original. it's obviously true.

Edited August 4, 2006 by artfromtex

[Chrisi Rokks]

motley crue started out cool but went in the direction of what was cool, drifted away from what they knew and became the shitty band they were/are from 85-now

well, speaking of teachers, your grammar teacher obviously wasn't an ace....

you seem to be implying that after '85 that Motley started following instead of leading. is that correct? if that's what you're saying, you're dead wrong and you didn't grow up in the '80's and see it unfold. around '85 is when all the Motley copycat bands started putting out records. so if it seemed like Motley was doing what everyone else was doing it's because everyone else was copying them. even Kiss, one of Motley's influences, was following the Crue stride for stride. Crue went glam, everyone else went glam. Crue went to a boogie metal style and a biker look on Girls, Girls, Girls, and everyone ditched their pink spandex and traded it in for leather pants. i've always said that the watered down copycats always tarnish the original. it's obviously true.

Now this guy knows his stuff!

[The Third Man]

slash has died a coupla times and came back, axl has too, duffs fucking oancreas exploded

motley crue was only bad ass during shout at the devil as far as satan, and that was only cuz they were trying to milk the devil thing for all it was worth

primal screams lyrics are what a disgruntled 15 year old would write when a teacher told him to stop talking

guns n roses were real, they never partied just cuz it was kool, guns n roses lived what they wrote and had much more integrity than motley crue, motley crue started out cool but went in the direction of what was cool, drifted away from what they knew and became the shitty band they were/are from 85-now

just cuz motley crue did more coke and worshipped satan doesnt mean thier bad ass, it just means their idiots

show me where it says that

They didn't worship Satan, Nikki just used to draw pentagons or whatever on the fucking walls of his and Lita's flat and wierd stuff would happen. So he changed the name from Shout WITH the Devil to Shout AT the Devil

And since when did Axl die? I've never heard that rubbish before in my life. And Axl used to try get into Nikki Sixx's parties but Nikki wouldn't let him. So if Gn'R partying was their life, they used to try party with the best. FACT. Read The Dirt

In all likeliness there's probably a lot of fabrication in that book.

[Axel1304]

Motley were way more bad boy than GNR and they made brilliant music but there music does not compare to that of GNR's

[artfromtex]

In all likeliness there's probably a lot of fabrication in that book.

exaggeration, not fabrication. they're pretty open in the book about having differing memories of what happened, mainly due to the state they were in. one of the things i love about the book is that each member sat down with Neil Strauss alone to give their version.

[slashs_servant]

Motley Crue - but they made incredibly shit music, so who really cares?

Incredibly shit ? Why'd they get a number one album than ? I think you should give them abit more credit

Britney went number one - does it mean anything?

Nah your right it doesnt, but they werent comercialised pop stars like britney spears, and their audience wasnt to a brainwashed 15 - 16 yr old group? So i think that says alot, if a rock band gets num.1 obviously there doing something right ?

Sure you can say gnr made better tunes, but Motley crue were the package. I mean motley crue have influenced me more in terms of how i act and how i play. And whats great is, they've gone through so much things, hit rock bottom, they have degraded themselves, and women all around the world, they have abused everything and everyone; and now there still here to share with us their wisdom, which to me is priceless. I mean Axl isn't the most inspiring when it comes to leading by example, he is a great singer, a great song writer, a great frontman, but he is still a dick. And so is vince.

[neatd99]

GNR didn't like to party? What the hell? They drank and did drugs like crazy during the '80s. I think Steven Adler talked about their wild parties in one of his interviews.

The first two Motley Crue albums (Too Fast for Love and Shout at the Devil) are decent. After that, their albums became less consistent, but they still had a lot of hit songs (Home Sweet Home, Smokin' In The Boy's Room, Wild Side, Girls Girls Girls, Dr. Feelgood, Don't Go Away Mad, Without You, Kickstart My Heart, and I *guess* Primal Scream.

Appetite is better than any album Motley Crue has made, but then again Appetite is better than most (if not all) '80s albums made. Still, Motley Crue were the real trend-setters. I'm not just talking about music, either.......all of their stage theatrics were copied to death. Tommy's spinning drum set and his whole spinning drumsticks thing both come to mind.

As for Axl and the gang doing more shit than Motley Crue........I doubt it. The only two things I can think of are the St. Louis riot and Axl's trouble with his neighbor (he pushed a piano out the window or something). I'm also pretty sure Motley Crue lived their music......they lived "Girls Girls Girls" and they definitely experienced "Dr. Feelgood."

EDIT: The Crue was definitely more influential than GNR......I know of a lot of bands back then and even today who claim Motley Crue influenced them (including Marilyn Manson and Green Day, surprisingly)......how many bands did GNR influence? Avenged Sevenfold? Dangerous Toys? C'mon.

Edited August 4, 2006 by neatd99